Too many Items Mafia (4/14) Endgame: I Confess

[zimmah]

I have no idea what you just said, but I'm telling the truth. Wish i could quote it, but that's against the rules. Hippo, Iron, and Spiesr are all looking pretty suspicious right now. Pershy is too, but people seem convinced he is Town.

4 players out of 11 are suspicious, but only in your eyes.

either we lynch those four, or we lynch you.

[Iron Butterfly]

As much as I shudder to say this I do believe Yumiel is Town. He was wanting Vodean dead even before he was lynched. That's the only reason I would believe he is Town. The main problem is that he has such a dysfunctional play-style. Its as if he has no concept of the fact that he must work with others. When he defends himself he brings up how he lynched Vodean, like he single handedly did it himself.

As far as the disagreement in how the WT should be used according to the mod? Well l would have to agree with /'s assessment. The fact that no one has been mod killed tells me it is a non issue.

LOL and CM5 telling Yumiel they would be modkilled or black listed if they broke the rules of its use? I was never given such instruction so I think CM5 was taking into consideration who he was talking to.

[Yomiel]

Iron, that was not called for. Do not try and start that kind of trouble here.

There is NOTHING wrong with my play style.

I'm the one who suggested we lynch Vodean out of the blue, so yes, I do feel I deserve some credit for that. Things had just stopped for days before that.

I got the walkie-talkie. I know the rules and restrictions. You three contradict every one of them. That strongly suggests you are lying.

[zimmah]

now why would 3 mafia members out themselves over a walky talky anyways? doesn't make sense.

[spiesr]

As much as I shudder to say this I do believe Yumiel is Town. He was wanting Vodean dead even before he was lynched. That's the only reason I would believe he is Town. The main problem is that he has such a dysfunctional play-style. Its as if he has no concept of the fact that he must work with others. When he defends himself he brings up how he lynched Vodean, like he single handedly did it himself.

As far as the disagreement in how the WT should be used according to the mod? Well l would have to agree with /'s assessment. The fact that no one has been mod killed tells me it is a non issue.

Iron Butterfly seems to hit this issue on the nose here. Yomiel is probably town and just confused/stubborn on the walkie talkie issue. (He should pm the mod for clarification and what the rules were.) There isn't likely much more of value we can get out of focusing on that issue today.
Right now it seems the only other thing we have to work with is /'s case on Epitaph. I will have to look into that now, and you all should either do the same, or find another case of your own to work on.
Also, I will that to fulfill zimmah's request later today.

[Yomiel]

That's the point. It doesn't make sense. I'm sure they didn't intend to out themselves. I'd guess they are trying to get my lynched. After all, even if I die, that will in now way prove or disprove their story. So it's not like they have to worry. It's risky, but then, someone here was just accusing me of orchestrating Vodean's lynch to seem like Town, would which be riskier and stupider.

I really wish people would stop insulting my play style. I painstakingly went over every single aspect of that item with the host, trying to find loopholes, because it was so useless. I am NOT confused.

[Iron Butterfly]

That's the point. It doesn't make sense. I'm sure they didn't intend to out themselves. I'd guess they are trying to get my lynched. After all, even if I die, that will in now way prove or disprove their story. So it's not like they have to worry. It's risky, but then, someone here was just accusing me of orchestrating Vodean's lynch to seem like Town, would which be riskier and stupider.

I really wish people would stop insulting my play style. I painstakingly went over every single aspect of that item with the host, trying to find loopholes, because it was so useless. I am NOT confused.

The fact that you say the WT is useless tells me all I need to know about your play style. You are in essence saying the mod put a useless item in game. I personally believe you were not smart enough to use it correctly or to your benefit. If it is impossible for you to use then it must be impossible for anyone else to use so therefor anyone else who uses it must be guilty.

[Yomiel]

What are you even talking about? That makes no sense. And you need to quit bringing personal insults into this.

Neb also said the item was useless, and he in fact gave up on trying to make use of it long before I did. So, you gonna call him an idiot too?

The item is essentially broken, because you have no idea if the person you are talking to is even on your side. Saying your name or role obviously will get you modkilled or blacklisted. Really limits what you can do.

[Iron Butterfly]

What are you even talking about? That makes no sense. And you need to quit bringing personal insults into this.

Neb also said the item was useless, and he in fact gave up on trying to make use of it long before I did. So, you gonna call him an idiot too?

The item is essentially broken, because you have no idea if the person you are talking to is even on your side. Saying your name or role obviously will get you modkilled or blacklisted. Really limits what you can do.

Again... you just were not smart enough to use it to your advantage and so you consider the item "broken".

In what post did Neb consider the item useless? It was during day one that you brought up that your item had been stolen. How do you know Neb gave up using the item, "long before you did"? can you show us that post?

[Yomiel]

I'm getting more and more certain you're Mafia.

First, stop insulting me. If you can't be civil, replace out. Do not turn the game into a flame war.

Second, the whole point of the item is to allow private communication. Neb contacted me through the item and told me he was just giving up. Because the item is useless. You can't risk discussing strategy with someone who might be Mafia.

You never had the item, which is why you have no idea how it works and got so many things wrong. I don't know why you backed up Spiesr's story, since it does seem like a really poor move for Mafia to reveal eachother so openly. But the only thing I know for sure, is that you are lying about the item, as are Pershy and Spiesr.

[Iron Butterfly]

I'm actually pretty sure Neb was the person who had the other one. Though we weren't allowed to reveal who we were, the host did say we could let eachother in on our identities in the thread if she didn't realize we were doing it. He kept saying "Can you hear me now?", so I'd assumed it was him. But he gave up his half before he died, so I don't know what happened to mine.

So the restrictions arn't as dire as you made them out to be. You had a conversation with Neb.

You have been saying that the item is to complicated for anyone to use...yet here you are using it.

Now can you explain to us how you would know it is Neb by him saying, "Can you hear me now?"

[Yomiel]

You keep on putting words in my mouth. I made it clear several times that I had spoken with Neb, and I never said anything that indicated we couldn't talk to one another. He used that phrase to tell me who he was, and I picked up on it. It's not rocket science.

I never said the item had too many restrictions to use at all, only that it had too many to be USEFUL. Don't act like I'm the one on trial here. How about you and your friends explain how you have no idea how the item works or what the restrictions are, despite all three of you claiming to have had it? In fact, how about you explain how you got it in the first place? One of you had to have done something to get mine. And how about you explain why at least two of you have broken the rules of the item, yet have not been modkilled or even yelled at? It's simple-you never had the item. I don't know why you lied, but I'd guess you wanted to up your fellow Mafia member after he got himself in a bad position. And since it was me, you figured no one would pay much attention, which does seem to be the case. The Town is pretty much handing this one to you, even though they are willing to believe I'm Mafia and sacrificed the Godfather to prove it.

[Yomiel]

*prove otherwise.

[spiesr]

Alright here comes that assessment of everybody that zimmah wanted.

pershy

Spoiler

Claimed rolecop, has essentially proven this claim. Posts have been townish since his claim and I have no reason to doubt his alignment. Solid Town

Some7hingCLEVER Shieldgenerator7 Campin_Killer

Spoiler

Maybe 2 relevant posts over the course of three days and as many players. No Read

jonty125

Spoiler

One of the first to suggest an inactive lynch one Day 1, at a time when it was between vodean and Yomiel.

I don't see any merit in any of the cases, but we only have 4 days to get a lynch - do we pick an inactive?

Joined to vodean bandwagon on Day 2, but backed off right after the claim. Hasn't posted yet today. A third of his posts were in the joke phase, and the rest were kind of sparse. May be a scumariner.

thehippo8

Spoiler

Has kind of been all over the place, but he is always like that. I have some difficulty telling if he is being serious or not in several of his posts. Made a case on me Day 2, so at least he is contributing. His post following vodean's claim could be read as an attempt to bury the movement against vodean and to draw attention elsewhere, but at least he was upfront about the desire not the lynch vodean at that point. I have trouble reading this persona, but at least he is entertaining.

zimmah

Spoiler

Made a case on Pershy Day 1, following Neb hitting Pershy for inactivity, that in my opinion had some serious flaws in it. Neb may have started things looking at Pershy for inactivity, but Zimmah pushed the case through with the force of long posts. I am not sure if this is a good or bad thing. At least it shows he wasn't afraid to take a stand and become in the center of attention, at the time. Was pretty quite on the vodean case, just popping in after the claim to vote for him with no context in his post. Today he is advocating the idea that Yomiel and Me/Iron/perhsy cannot be reconciled. Which, in my opinion seems like a convenient way for scum to have today's lynch wasted on pointless bullshit. Leaning slightly scum here.

dazza2008

Spoiler

Disappeared before things got serious. Needs to be replaced. No read possible here.

Iron Butterfly

Spoiler

His interactions with vodean, and more importantly vodean's actions towards him, seem unlikely if vodean was scum. Got "silenced" Day 2 by what sounds like the mafia. (Although I have to wonder why we haven't seen anyone else silenced yet. Or have we?) Gets sucked in by Yomiel too easily. Leaning town on this one.

/

Spoiler

Seems to be playing the role of the reasonable experienced town leader. Basically the only person today doing something that might prove useful. Probably town or a scum very committed to appearing town rather than taking the easy route.

Yomiel

Spoiler

Oh Yomiel, whay to say here? Plenty of posts, like over 100, no apparent fear of being the center of attention. He's like that in every game though. Stubborn and impossible to reason with. Went after vodean early on, but he seems to eager to take credit for that, leaving the possibility of it being a scum ploy. (Usurper?) Is being unreasonable today about the walkie talkie issue, distracting us from real cases. All that said, I get the feeling that he is just a misguided townie. Unfortunately it seems like he won't be of any help to the town any time soon.

Epitaph1

Spoiler

His tendency to go for the inactive lynch, which spans pretty much the whole game, is suspicious. Probably worth a case based just on that. On the other hand, we have a Perhsy saying that Epitaph had no item last night. We don't know a lot about how the scum group works with respect to items, however I would have thought they would have had some. I need more information/thought about this investigation result to make a good decision here.

Prod Jonty

[LSU Tiger Josh]

I'm not in the game, but thought you would like to know this.

Re: Vacation Thread

Postby jonty125 on Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:36 pm
I'll be gone from Saturday 21 July to Friday 27 July.

[Campin_Killer]

Reading through 31 pages is a pain in the ass, and I'm almost done. Expect me to start contributing soon

[Yomiel]

Mafia can have a Role Cop, so even if Pershy is telling the truth about his role, it hardly proves his innocence. If anything, I'd say it makes him look more guilty, because why would the Mafia let such a role live?

Your dislike of me can only blind you, such as how you claim Iron was "drawn in" by me. I did nothing but point out the inconsistencies in your statements. At least one of you is likely to be Mafia, and you are all lying. The fact that you insult me and call me things like "impossible to reason with" just shows you are letting your personal feelings cloud the game and your judgement. I have made a good point. If things were reversed, and you were pointing out that my statements about an item and its use were inconsistent with what you knew, then I'd be the one getting harassed, which you're pushing for-all three of you.

We need to go after Iron or Spiesr today. Mark my words on this. At least one of them is definitely Mafia. Both have lied and try to cover their lies by insulting me and acting like I'm being ridiculous. They are using the general dislike or distrust of me to their advantage. I'm the one who claimed the item first, and I'm sure that's why they claimed to have it when it's clear they never did. Mark my words-at least one of them is Mafia.

[Iron Butterfly]

*prove otherwise.

And again...How did you KNOW you were speaking with Neb?

[Yomiel]

I already said how I knew-because he dropped hints in his posts. And you know this too, because you even quoted one of his hints. You are just challenging me on every little thing because you know that people are going to believe either me or you three on this issue. And the odds are in your favor already. I'm not going to let you trick the Town so easily.

[zimmah]

thank you spiesr for fullfilling my request, i think you have some very good points in there and for now i do believe you as i have no reason to believe otherwise.

Still, i highly doubt that yomiel and the others who claim to have had/have the WT can both tell the truth, but i don't know how big a deal t s. i think we may be overreacting on the WT and miss some other important clues. Also, there's a lack of activety from certain players, which is also pretty dangerous.

i'm quite clueless atm.

[Yomiel]

Well, we're not talking about just one person or one inconsistency. We have three people, two who backed up another who was viewed as suspicious after stating some of the inconsistent things. If we just overlook these three, I'm sure we'll regret it later.

[Iron Butterfly]

I already said how I knew-because he dropped hints in his posts. And you know this too, because you even quoted one of his hints. You are just challenging me on every little thing because you know that people are going to believe either me or you three on this issue. And the odds are in your favor already. I'm not going to let you trick the Town so easily.

I am just trying to make a point. You have put a huge smoke screen over anyone possibly being able to use the WT. It has been like trying to pull teeth to make you admit that you have done exactly what myself and Pershy stated we did when using the WT.

You have stated that you spoke to Neb.
You have stated that you used code words to find Nebs identity.
You have stated the mod let you do so.
Both of you needed to write your message for CM5 to submit so he was aware of your codes.
You have not been mod killed.

You said Spiesr was liar for saying he had it.

You speak in half truths or hold back information until forced to. As in past games you are no help to Town even if you are Town.
frankly at this point I don't give a crap weather you are Town or not as you are completely useless regardless of the fact.

[Yomiel]

I have done no such thing. Again, I never said the item was not usable, just that the restrictions essentially made it useless.

I have not spoken half-truths. I've said since the beginning that we were only allowed to drop VERY subtle hints, and that blatantly stating things was not allowed.

You guys have said things that I know to be lies.

-While one person must be chosen to given their Walkie-Talkie up, neither can decide who gets it. Yet one of you claimed to have chosen the recipient of the item when you gave it up. A lie.

-While you have the Walkie-Talkie, you cannot says as much or even obviously hint at having it, or else you will be mod-killed and blacklisted. Two current holders have done this, yet they are still alive. They obviously do not have the item.

-Since I know that you can't decide who gets the second, that you know it is Spiesr only further proves you are lying.

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I've been mulling over back and forth weather I wanted to reveal this or not, but ultimately I think it's worth noting.
Crazy screwed up my action night one and gave me a cop result on zimmah, I do not investigate people, but crazy thought I did for certain reasons, zimmah is town as a freebie.

[Yomiel]

What if you're really Mafia and so is he?O_O