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pimpdave wrote:If I Could Have Any Superpower, It'd Definitely Be Invisibility
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It's kind of a nerdy question, but it always seems to come up. You'll be hanging out with a few friends and someone will ask, "If you could have any superpower you wanted, what would it be?" Most people can't answer right away because there's so many to choose from. But not me. I know exactly what I'd pick, hands down, every time: invisibility.

Just think about invisibility for a second. No one can see you. You're there but not there. You could be in the same room with someone, standing inches away, and they wouldn't realize it. Sure, they could reach out and touch you if they wanted—but why would they? They wouldn't know you were there! Heck, an invisible person could be watching me this very second, and if not for the fact that my super hearing allows me to detect a heartbeat anywhere in the world, I'd have no way of knowing.

Go stand in front of a mirror. Now, imagine there's no one looking back at you. Or what it would be like if you held your hands directly in front of your face and saw nothing but the wall on the other side of the room. That's impossible, right? That simply does not happen!

Invisibility would definitely blow people's minds. I could be holding a 50-ton tanker truck above my head, and it would look like it's just floating there, in total defiance of the laws of physics. Or I could put out a fire at an oil refinery with my super-cold breath, but no one would see me expel the subzero, hurricane-force winds from my lungs—to them it would be this miraculous gust of arctic air blowing in from absolutely nowhere.

Can you imagine what it's like to fly over a crowd of people and not have a single one of them look up and point at you? What could be more amazing than that?

There I am, floating invisibly outside Brainiac's spaceship. I can use my X-ray vision to make out every last detail of his evildoing, yet he's completely oblivious. His sensors detect something, of course, but he's sure they're malfunctioning because by all appearances there isn't anything out there. And later, when I nudge the earth from its orbit just enough to avoid his apocalypse beam, he never knows how I discovered his plan. He probably wouldn't believe me if I told him!

Yeah, invisibility is the best superpower, without a doubt. I honestly don't know why people even have this discussion.

The only downside to invisibility I can think of—and I've given this a lot of thought—is how tempting it would be to abuse it. For instance, it would be very easy to rob a bank. I could just stand in the lobby, totally unnoticed by anyone, and wait until everyone went home for the evening. Then, with the whole building to myself, I could simply walk up, rip the vault door off its hinges, and fill my money bags at the speed of light. If the police somehow arrived before I finished, I wouldn't have to worry about being arrested, because I could stroll right past them.

Which isn't to say I wouldn't want to be invisible. But with power like that, I'd just need to be very, very careful.

In any case, I realize it's a silly fantasy. It's never going to happen. If someone wants to shoot me, all they have to do is spot me on the street, aim, and pull the trigger, and if the bullet is going fast enough to hit me, it'll bounce off my chest in full view of everyone.

That's how it's always going to be. There's no getting around the limitations of the real world. It's fun to ponder, though. Come to think of it, it'd also be cool to have an elastic body and be able to stretch my arms and legs 20 feet or something. That'd be amazing.

Can you imagine?
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that's assuming you also have: super strength, flying, x-ray vision, super hearing, hurricane breath, supersonic speed, space-breathing ability, indestructability,
so if invisibility has all these other requirements, is it really the best super power?
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shieldgenerator7 wrote:
that's assuming you also have: super strength, flying, x-ray vision, super hearing, hurricane breath, supersonic speed, space-breathing ability, indestructability,
so if invisibility has all these other requirements, is it really the best super power?
Is there anything that doesn't fly right over your head?
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natty_dread wrote:Is there anything that doesn't fly right over your head?
A teapot.

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jonesthecurl wrote:But so far as I know there's no danger of a return of Karen Page (Daredevils original love interest). She became a porn actress and a drug addict, caught AIDS, came back into Matt's life, was cleaning herself up, got a great job (which turned out to be working for the Kingpin) and was then brutally killed by Bullseye.
Is Bullseye finally dead? Matt killed him recently while (I think) demonically possessed.
Bullseye was alive as recently as Dark Avengers.
I am pretty sure he will never stay dead... though he is likely to be killed several more times.

Is Page alive in Ultimate Universe?
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jonesthecurl wrote:In the Blackest night event, I was really hoping they'd have the courage to let all the dead people stay dead - it would really change the shape of things in an interesting way.

And for a glorious moment a coupla years ago when Marvel had skrull versions of all the superheroes running about, I thought (when it was revealed that Electra was a skrull) they were gonna say that all the characters that had "returned from the dead" were actually shapeshifting imposters. That woulda made a good story...and woulda tied together years of stroytelling in one fell swoop.
Yeah but they have no integrity.
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jimboston wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:But so far as I know there's no danger of a return of Karen Page (Daredevils original love interest). She became a porn actress and a drug addict, caught AIDS, came back into Matt's life, was cleaning herself up, got a great job (which turned out to be working for the Kingpin) and was then brutally killed by Bullseye.
Is Bullseye finally dead? Matt killed him recently while (I think) demonically possessed.
Bullseye was alive as recently as Dark Avengers.
I am pretty sure he will never stay dead... though he is likely to be killed several more times.

Is Page alive in Ultimate Universe?
I never really followed that. Once they made Electra a poor greek student who studied martial arts, I gave up in disgust.
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jimboston wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:In the Blackest night event, I was really hoping they'd have the courage to let all the dead people stay dead - it would really change the shape of things in an interesting way.

And for a glorious moment a coupla years ago when Marvel had skrull versions of all the superheroes running about, I thought (when it was revealed that Electra was a skrull) they were gonna say that all the characters that had "returned from the dead" were actually shapeshifting imposters. That woulda made a good story...and woulda tied together years of stroytelling in one fell swoop.
Yeah but they have no integrity.
I soon realized that. But they'd been making claims like "We've been building to this story for years, dropping hints....". And for one glorious moment I thought I knew what was happening, and heartily approved. Imagine, Wolverine DEAD, Electra DEAD. Hawkeye DEAD. Daredevil himself DEAD Phoenix DEAD. Doctor Doom DEAD. All replaced by Skrulls. You could go further. Any real-life people who'd survived assassination attempts/serious illnesses. DEAD and replaced by Skrulls. Now, there's a story you could go interesting places with...
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My bad, I didn't realise this topic was reserved to comics.

Also

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Edit: And I've never liked a single villain from either batman or superman, I thought they were always either too camp, or trying too hard to outbadass previous villians.
Darkseid is the baddest bad-boy by miles, Superman only has his insane powers when he's in a part of the universe with a convenient yellow sun; darkseid is hard as f*ck no matter where he is; he's regularly dished out a damn fine beating to Supes on Supes' own turf (ie afore-mentioned yellowed-sun areas) so he'd have to be the ultimate villain.
Vader's cool but he's in thrall to the emperor whereas Darkseid recognises no authority but his own! All Hail Lord Darkseid! :twisted:
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Lord+Master wrote: Darkseid is the baddest bad-boy by miles, Superman only has his insane powers when he's in a part of the universe with a convenient yellow sun; darkseid is hard as f*ck no matter where he is; he's regularly dished out a damn fine beating to Supes on Supes' own turf (ie afore-mentioned yellowed-sun areas) so he'd have to be the ultimate villain.
There's definitely stronger villains. Yet most of them will only appear in special issues, and several prefer to watch or slightly influence everything rather than be personally involved in it. And Marvel has Thanos, who is just their version of Darkseid. But after gaining the knowledge of the universe, Thanos swore that he would never again try to conquer it.
Dakseid gets attention I think for his duality of use. He can fight fist to fist if he's forced to, because of his super-strength and training. But he prefers to fight with the power of intellect. He often prefers to use other super-beings and Gods to be his messengers and tools. And since he can travel through time an/or space, he can plot the f*ck out of beating the JLA.

Remember that one time, when Aquaman woke up in the future and his forearm was gone? And he was like "dude WTF - where's my arm? Why is the ocean all scummy? I'd better call for help!" And then he tries to summon a whale or something but instead a giant crab tries to eat him. Then he finds Flash, who's just a fat old red-head who can't run anymore. And Wonder Woman is still hot. And he's like "GUY'S WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FUTURE?" And it's Darkseid, and he's invincible. But then Batman shows up, and he's this old white-haired man who's covered in scars from being tortured by Darkseid. And Batman says "I have been waiting for years to get my revenge. And I think this is our best chance. Quit bitching about your arm, have you not seen my face?"
That was a cool comic book huh?
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Don't know that one.
I did love it when "Secret" mis-heard him and thought his name was Doug Side.
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I got the comic book adaptation of the "Mask of the Phantasm" animated movie in a library sale. It's OK - but one moment really stands out.


Alfred the butler is watching TV, and someone accuses the Bat of being crazy.
He says "Such rot, sir. You're the very model of sanity.
Oh, by the way, I've pressed your tights and put away your exploding gas balls."
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jonesthecurl wrote:I got the comic book adaptation of the "Mask of the Phantasm" animated movie in a library sale. It's OK - but one moment really stands out.


Alfred the butler is watching TV, and someone accuses the Bat of being crazy.
He says "Such rot, sir. You're the very model of sanity.
Oh, by the way, I've pressed your tights and put away your exploding gas balls."
It's cool that comics (and most comic fans) can get a laugh out of making fun of themselves.
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Does anyone remember Batman vs. Predator?

It was an awesome mini series. I'd read that again if I could find it cheaply or could get a loaner.

Batman ended up using a blunderbuss on the Predator, because it became apparent he couldn't win using his non-lethal weapons, and had to kill in order to survive. But the only lethal weapon he had was an antique on his wall.
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Ok here's my thoughts on the matter for what they are worth (plz don't go there).
Both superheroes are stand up guys as far as I am concerned and neither should be at all tarnished from this discussion. Mudslinging against the good guys? I respect batman since he has no actual superpowers and you have to give him props for that. He has a lot more at risk as well as more reliance on pure determination. Superman, on the other hand, has tons of powers but lets not hold this against him, sheesh! If superman didn't have such sterling character he could be one serious abuse of power. You have to give him credit for having all these abilities and not using them to get out of parking tickets, etc. I love them both and don't even think its a fair comparison.

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Funkyterrance wrote:Ok here's my thoughts on the matter for what they are worth (plz don't go there).
Both superheroes are stand up guys as far as I am concerned and neither should be at all tarnished from this discussion. Mudslinging against the good guys? I respect batman since he has no actual superpowers and you have to give him props for that. He has a lot more at risk as well as more reliance on pure determination. Superman, on the other hand, has tons of powers but lets not hold this against him, sheesh! If superman didn't have such sterling character he could be one serious abuse of power. You have to give him credit for having all these abilities and not using them to get out of parking tickets, etc. I love them both and don't even think its a fair comparison.

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Superman a stand up guy?

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At least Batman tries to be a decent human being:
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Those were taken out of context :P. Besides its was the fifties/sixties, Superman was just following the status quo. Also, he could have just killed everyone in the courtroom, the fact that he is allowing himself to partake in that courtroom charade only further proves my point. Nice examples though, you almost had me :D.
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I've always liked Batman much more than Superman, probably because he seemed grittier when I was a younger man.


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Ur right Andy, Batman is certainly "cooler" lol.
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Funkyterrance wrote:Those were taken out of context :P. Besides its was the fifties/sixties, Superman was just following the status quo. Also, he could have just killed everyone in the courtroom, the fact that he is allowing himself to partake in that courtroom charade only further proves my point. Nice examples though, you almost had me :D.
You should check out the Superman is a Dick site, if you liked those- it's a pretty comprehensive site about why Superman is an ass.

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Best non-superhuman hero is BatMan

Best superhuman is Supes.

I cheated. :mrgreen:
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I always liked the Batman comics because they were grittier and more emotional. I remember reading No Man's Land where bats had to take Gotham back from all his enemies 1 street at a time. And Superman shows up, tries to help, and is like "yep, don't know what to do here, will leave it to you". All he does is make it rain a bit.

As far as baddest villain, how about Lobo?

And strongest hero would be the Spectre in my book. He actually has a semi legitimate reason for coming back from the dead.
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