Why are so many Western people fat?

[KoolBak]

Gives a whole new meaning to "Capitalist Pig" ! Here's some more evil capitalism: ABCDEFG.....

[tkr4lf]

Unregulated capitalism is responsible for the obesity epidemic across the world. Corporations have been allowed to run rampage with the food supply.

You do realize you're free to simply not buy food that's bad quality, right?

Yes and no.

If you can afford the better food, then sure, you're free to not purchase crap food. However, if you're poor, then you're stuck with what you can afford, which is the cheap, processed crap food. Eating healthy can be an expensive habit. Eating unhealthy is cheap. You do the math.

[nietzsche]

Unregulated capitalism is responsible for the obesity epidemic across the world. Corporations have been allowed to run rampage with the food supply.

You do realize you're free to simply not buy food that's bad quality, right?

Yes and no.

If you can afford the better food, then sure, you're free to not purchase crap food. However, if you're poor, then you're stuck with what you can afford, which is the cheap, processed crap food. Eating healthy can be an expensive habit. Eating unhealthy is cheap. You do the math.

Yeah, but i bet you that "poor" person you're talking about has a smart phone, a couple of plasma tvs, a laptop or two and a PS4. Not to mention that he/she decided to move to the city and pay 1500 dls of rent because it's the right thing to do when in his father's farm there's plenty of space to build a nice room for himself and not have to pay rent.

[waauw]

[tkr4lf]

Unregulated capitalism is responsible for the obesity epidemic across the world. Corporations have been allowed to run rampage with the food supply.

You do realize you're free to simply not buy food that's bad quality, right?

Yes and no.

If you can afford the better food, then sure, you're free to not purchase crap food. However, if you're poor, then you're stuck with what you can afford, which is the cheap, processed crap food. Eating healthy can be an expensive habit. Eating unhealthy is cheap. You do the math.

Yeah, but i bet you that "poor" person you're talking about has a smart phone, a couple of plasma tvs, a laptop or two and a PS4. Not to mention that he/she decided to move to the city and pay 1500 dls of rent because it's the right thing to do when in his father's farm there's plenty of space to build a nice room for himself and not have to pay rent.

Well, I personally don't know anybody that lives in the city that had the option of living on their father's farm. Maybe that's just a Mexico thing??

The rest, yeah, I agree. But honestly, given these two choices, which would you choose? Eat super healthy and have no entertainment at all in your house, or eat crappily and be entertained at home. Or I guess there could be a middle ground, where you have a mid-size plasma tv and a smart phone and cable, and still eat reasonably healthy. The middle path is much harder for most, though.

[mrswdk]

Unregulated capitalism is responsible for the obesity epidemic across the world. Corporations have been allowed to run rampage with the food supply.

You do realize you're free to simply not buy food that's bad quality, right?

Yes and no.

If you can afford the better food, then sure, you're free to not purchase crap food. However, if you're poor, then you're stuck with what you can afford, which is the cheap, processed crap food. Eating healthy can be an expensive habit. Eating unhealthy is cheap. You do the math.

Nay. Fruit, vegetables, pasta, rice etc. are not expensive.

[KoolBak]

Yeah I call bullshit on processed food being cheaper Done all the shopping and cooking for our family of 4 (20 years now) and its a hell of a lot cheaper to buy a bag of rice / pasta and ingredients (fresh veggies, cheap protein, generic shit to make sauces)....meal comes to a buck and change or less per person if you're smart and it's good food. Cant buy a fucking 1500 calorie hungry man TV dinner for that

[mrswdk]

honestly, given these two choices, which would you choose? Eat super healthy and have no entertainment at all in your house, or eat crappily and be entertained at home. Or I guess there could be a middle ground, where you have a mid-size plasma tv and a smart phone and cable, and still eat reasonably healthy. The middle path is much harder for most, though.

Yeah, that's a real Sophie's Choice you've got there.

[waauw]

to be fair, tkr4lf isn't entirely wrong. I don't know about the food in your countries but over here Bio-vegetables/fruit are more expensive than their less healthy counterparts.

Yeah I call bullshit on processed food being cheaper Done all the shopping and cooking for our family of 4 (20 years now) and its a hell of a lot cheaper to buy a bag of rice / pasta and ingredients (fresh veggies, cheap protein, generic shit to make sauces)....meal comes to a buck and change or less per person if you're smart and it's good food. Cant buy a fucking 1500 calorie hungry man TV dinner for that

For the same price you can buy large family lasagna's at Aldi over here, and those include meat and take no time to prepare.

[Dualta]

Unregulated capitalism is responsible for the obesity epidemic across the world. Corporations have been allowed to run rampage with the food supply.

You do realize you're free to simply not buy food that's bad quality, right?

You're simply free not to smoke tobacco, drink alcohol or take heroin, but as the article I linked clearly shows, the food corporations are designing their foods to get people addicted, so the argument that we're free to eat this stuff weakens considerably. There's also ignorance involved. Many people simply don't know the full extent of junk in the food supply. We all know that chocolate, pastries and fast food are fattening, but so many people are not aware of how much fat and sugar is being put into what we would normally consider to be relatively healthy foods, like salad dressings, pasta sauces, curry sauces and so on. So people are eating what they think is a reasonably healthy diet, but they're getting fat and blaming themselves for over-eating when they're most probably not, rather than questioning their food choices. Reflecting what the former corporate food scientist in that article said, I also feel sorry for the public who are truly being kept in the dark and fed bullshit.

Most people are not greedy for food. The average person will eat their fill and leave it at that. The problem is, processed foods are highly calorie laden and our bodies can't tell the difference between 100g of spinach and 100g of white bread. We can eat to full on whole foods or processed foods but only the latter will make us fat. I eat a whole foods diet, with minimal processed foods, and I eat to full four or five times a day, and at lunch and dinner I'm at 'need-to-sit-down-for-a-bit full', yet I have a near perfect BMI for my age and height. People are being cheated through a corporate hijack of food regulatory agencies across the western world, who shape policy based on corporate needs as opposed to public needs, and what we see is a rich western culture of people getting fatter and sicker. We're being farmed by a capitalist, corporate class who treat us as no more than cash cows.

[mrswdk]

Unregulated capitalism is responsible for the obesity epidemic across the world. Corporations have been allowed to run rampage with the food supply.

You do realize you're free to simply not buy food that's bad quality, right?

You're simply free not to smoke tobacco, drink alcohol or take heroin, but as the article I linked clearly shows, the food corporations are designing their foods to get people addicted, so the argument that we're free to eat this stuff weakens considerably.

I don't smoke, don't often drink and have never taken heroin. mrswdk - 1, evil corporations - 0.

There's also ignorance involved. Many people simply don't know the full extent of junk in the food supply. We all know that chocolate, pastries and fast food are fattening, but so many people are not aware of how much fat and sugar is being put into what we would normally consider to be relatively healthy foods, like salad dressings, pasta sauces, curry sauces and so on.

Don't you guys have labeling on your food?

So people are eating what they think is a reasonably healthy diet, but they're getting fat and blaming themselves for over-eating when they're most probably not, rather than questioning their food choices. Reflecting what the former corporate food scientist in that article said, I also feel sorry for the public who are truly being kept in the dark and fed bullshit.

lol. I live in a country that is constantly having the gnarliest food safety scandals you could ever imagine, and despite eating at cheap restaurants and from street vendors relatively often I'm still doing just fine.

Most people are not greedy for food. The average person will eat their fill and leave it at that. The problem is, processed foods are highly calorie laden and our bodies can't tell the difference between 100g of spinach and 100g of white bread. We can eat to full on whole foods or processed foods but only the latter will make us fat. I eat a whole foods diet, with minimal processed foods, and I eat to full four or five times a day, and at lunch and dinner I'm at 'need-to-sit-down-for-a-bit full', yet I have a near perfect BMI for my age and height.

Exactly. I don't see why you're so convinced that it's difficult for other people to also do that.

[KoolBak]

to be fair, tkr4lf isn't entirely wrong. I don't know about the food in your countries but over here Bio-vegetables/fruit are more expensive than their less healthy counterparts.

Yeah I call bullshit on processed food being cheaper Done all the shopping and cooking for our family of 4 (20 years now) and its a hell of a lot cheaper to buy a bag of rice / pasta and ingredients (fresh veggies, cheap protein, generic shit to make sauces)....meal comes to a buck and change or less per person if you're smart and it's good food. Cant buy a fucking 1500 calorie hungry man TV dinner for that

For the same price you can buy large family lasagna's at Aldi over here, and those include meat and take no time to prepare.

You can buy a 4 lb frozen lasagne for $4? Decent prepackaged frozen lasagne here is about $2 - $3 / lb (and no where near as good as homemade ;o). My homemade lasagne is about $1.50 / lb and 100% better.....

[Dukasaur]

to be fair, tkr4lf isn't entirely wrong. I don't know about the food in your countries but over here Bio-vegetables/fruit are more expensive than their less healthy counterparts.

Yeah I call bullshit on processed food being cheaper Done all the shopping and cooking for our family of 4 (20 years now) and its a hell of a lot cheaper to buy a bag of rice / pasta and ingredients (fresh veggies, cheap protein, generic shit to make sauces)....meal comes to a buck and change or less per person if you're smart and it's good food. Cant buy a fucking 1500 calorie hungry man TV dinner for that

For the same price you can buy large family lasagna's at Aldi over here, and those include meat and take no time to prepare.

You can buy a 4 lb frozen lasagne for $4? Decent prepackaged frozen lasagne here is about $2 - $3 / lb (and no where near as good as homemade ;o). My homemade lasagne is about $1.50 / lb and 100% better.....

I'm rather sceptical about that. Can't buy cheese, even crappy cheese, for less than about $5/lb. Can't buy beef, even crappy beef, for less than about $7/lb, so unless you raise your own cattle, I'd be very sceptical about what kind of lasagne you can make for $1.50/lb. At that price it has to be mostly pasta and fillers, and very skimpy on the meat and cheese.

[KoolBak]

My sister raises beef so yes I get a deal; however, there are bulk deals on burger / sausage at volume stores like Cash 'N Carry...cheese average $2 / lb and beef $3....so 2 lbs cheese, 2 lbs beef, noodles, eggs total maybe $12 and of course I use my homemade tomatoe / veggie sauce....makes about 8 lbs of food so thats $1.50 / lb (cheaper for me as my beef cost is half that). Course you have to buy bulk amounts of food and many don't swing that way.....your food prices suck,......hoser......

Cash n carry https://www.smartfoodservice.com/

[RD5]

I've become a bit more frugal when it comes to what I eat lately. I was spending about $10 a day for takeout lunch every day at work and then, after work, I'd have a few beers and eat something fresh and healthy(usually another ten bucks per meal at least). Now, I do the $2.50(on sale) tv dinner for lunch and drink enough beer to blackout and not remember what I eat at night. Turns out I don't save any money and usually can't find money I know I had the night before but, hey, who gives a shit, we're all gonna die anyway.
Bone ape tit'.

[Dualta]

to be fair, tkr4lf isn't entirely wrong. I don't know about the food in your countries but over here Bio-vegetables/fruit are more expensive than their less healthy counterparts.

Yeah I call bullshit on processed food being cheaper Done all the shopping and cooking for our family of 4 (20 years now) and its a hell of a lot cheaper to buy a bag of rice / pasta and ingredients (fresh veggies, cheap protein, generic shit to make sauces)....meal comes to a buck and change or less per person if you're smart and it's good food. Cant buy a fucking 1500 calorie hungry man TV dinner for that

For the same price you can buy large family lasagna's at Aldi over here, and those include meat and take no time to prepare.

You can buy a 4 lb frozen lasagne for $4? Decent prepackaged frozen lasagne here is about $2 - $3 / lb (and no where near as good as homemade ;o). My homemade lasagne is about $1.50 / lb and 100% better.....

I'm rather sceptical about that. Can't buy cheese, even crappy cheese, for less than about $5/lb. Can't buy beef, even crappy beef, for less than about $7/lb, so unless you raise your own cattle, I'd be very sceptical about what kind of lasagne you can make for $1.50/lb. At that price it has to be mostly pasta and fillers, and very skimpy on the meat and cheese.

If you were to measure out the amount of individual ingredients in many processed foods and compared them with the cost of buying those ingredients as wholefoods, you'd find that it's cheaper to cook at home. We cook all our meals from mostly wholefoods, accept difficult to make ingredients like like pasta, soy sauce and the likes. When we were younger and less house trained, we would buy ready meals and it definitely worked out to be more expensive.

Cooking you own meals at home is more time consuming, but when you think that eating is the single most important thing you do every day, except breathing, isn't it worth making sure that it's done right, rather than hand over that responsibility to people who care not one jot for your well-being, but for how much money they can remove from your pocket and put into their own? To the best of my ability, I don't let those b*stards any where near my kids' plates.

[Dualta]

There's also ignorance involved. Many people simply don't know the full extent of junk in the food supply. We all know that chocolate, pastries and fast food are fattening, but so many people are not aware of how much fat and sugar is being put into what we would normally consider to be relatively healthy foods, like salad dressings, pasta sauces, curry sauces and so on.

Don't you guys have labeling on your food?

Of course, but most people can't make head nor tail of what is written on ingredients labels, and they are also being misled by an industry and it's lackeys in government who tell them that this kind of food is absolutely fine to eat 'in moderation', but that means nothing when the food is being designed to make sure moderation is not on the menu.

Most people are not greedy for food. The average person will eat their fill and leave it at that. The problem is, processed foods are highly calorie laden and our bodies can't tell the difference between 100g of spinach and 100g of white bread. We can eat to full on whole foods or processed foods but only the latter will make us fat. I eat a whole foods diet, with minimal processed foods, and I eat to full four or five times a day, and at lunch and dinner I'm at 'need-to-sit-down-for-a-bit full', yet I have a near perfect BMI for my age and height.

Exactly. I don't see why you're so convinced that it's difficult for other people to also do that.

People don't know they're addicted. Again, it's back to ignorance. Who here thinks it's possible to be addicted to a kind of food? Hardly anyone. But we now know, through scientific inquiry and the sort of excellent investigative journalism that I linked in the above article, that that is exactly what is happening, and not by accident, but by design, the design of those who manufacture this food to ensure that the consumer will keep coming back for more.

[mrswdk]

So what makes you different? Are you simply just gifted with a superior intellect to most of your fellow nationals?

[Mr_Adams]

We not fat, we fluffy

[Dualta]

So what makes you different? Are you simply just gifted with a superior intellect to most of your fellow nationals?

Ignorance has nothing to do with intellect. Even very highly intelligent people are ignorant about a lot of things. I was just as ignorant about food once, but then I made diet choices based on ethical considerations that required research to do right, and in doing so I learned a lot about the food supply, the production, economics, public policy, and marketing involved and the unethical behaviour (profiteering) of many of the people involved in these activities.

[mrswdk]

Watch out, the NWO is selling you vegetables filled with puppy bones and the broken dreams of Indian orphans.

[Mr_Adams]

the broken dreams of Indian orphans.

That explains the night terrors....

[waauw]

Course you have to buy bulk amounts of food and many don't swing that way.....your food prices suck,......hoser......

Somehow I now picture you living in a hobbit-hole with an immensely filled pantry.

[waauw]

Watch out, the NWO is selling you vegetables filled with puppy bones and the broken dreams of Indian orphans.

don't forget the GMO's!

[KoolBak]

Course you have to buy bulk amounts of food and many don't swing that way.....your food prices suck,......hoser......

Somehow I now picture you living in a hobbit-hole with an immensely filled pantry.

You oughta see my beer fridge!