PERMABANS (though you did not know it!)

[pimpdave]

Or to make up/reinforce stereotypes.

Actually, that's sadly not hard at all. That's why it's so freaking common.

You have no sense of humor, do you, Spock?

[Snorri1234]

By the way, does bigotry include holocaust denial?

[squishyg]

No, I think it just falls under basic ignorance.

[Snorri1234]

No, I think it just falls under basic ignorance.

Basic ignorance?

If you're going to censor racist speech and so because it's hurtfull, you better censor holocaust denial too.

[squishyg]

No, I think it just falls under basic ignorance.

Basic ignorance?

If you're going to censor racist speech and so because it's hurtfull, you better censor holocaust denial too.

Your question was:

By the way, does bigotry include holocaust denial?

Not, "Is holocaust denial hurtful"? I would give a different answer to that question.

[Snorri1234]

No, I think it just falls under basic ignorance.

Basic ignorance?

If you're going to censor racist speech and so because it's hurtfull, you better censor holocaust denial too.

Your question was:

By the way, does bigotry include holocaust denial?

Not, "Is holocaust denial hurtful"? I would give a different answer to that question.

I meant that holocaust denial is bigotry. That it's offensive and intolerant.

My question was whether the mods would label holocaust denial under bigotry, as in: "are you censoring that too or not?"

[squishyg]

My personal opinion is that since Holocaust denial is generally considered to be an antisemitic act, it should not be allowed on cc. I'm just not completely sure it falls under the category of bigotry. It's disgusting, ignorant, and antagonistic for sure. It may depend on the context (eek, I can't believe I'm saying that!) I mean there's a difference between saying "I have trouble believing the Holocaust happened" and "The Jews invented the Holocaust as propaganda".

Just for a philosophical conversation, what is the line between bigotry and legitimately questioning or examining historical events? Is it in my example above?

[Timminz]

I mean there's a difference between saying "I have trouble believing the Holocaust happened" and "The Jews invented the Holocaust as propaganda".

The only difference I see in those two statements, is the wording. I would have a tough time believing that anyone saying the former, did not actually think the latter.

[squishyg]

I mean there's a difference between saying "I have trouble believing the Holocaust happened" and "The Jews invented the Holocaust as propaganda".

The only difference I see in those two statements, is the wording. I would have a tough time believing that anyone saying the former, did not actually think the latter.

I think you're right.

[Artimis]

I meant that holocaust denial is bigotry. That it's offensive and intolerant.

My question was whether the mods would label holocaust denial under bigotry, as in: "are you censoring that too or not?"

Out of posts 1914467 in 64514 topics by 340314 members, the following search found only 19 matches using the keywords Holocaust and "never happened"(some of which were duplicate matches from quotes of original posts):
Search found 19 matches: +Holocaust +"never happened"

This post by Jim best sums up why censorship should be reined in, particularly the bit in bold.

Subject: Freedom of Speech

I agree completely.

With strangled debate, ideas grow beyond their worth. Also there may be elements of 'truth' in aspects of the denial.

Naturally it was a very real and systematic attempt at genocide but was much of the starvation and death due to a movement of food to the 'more worthy' German soldiers?
It seems rather a distasteful and moot point in the circumstance, however it 'may' paint a fuller picture with regards the holistic condemnation of German society and it's slavish pursuit of Nazism.

Due to the Taboo of such possible reality, the absence of real exposure can be used to make something more substantial and imply a more complete conspiracy of propaganda.

To have censorship run rampant and censor everything that vaguely fits in the bigotry category would stifle legitimate debate(this is NEVER a good thing) and criminalise legitimate participants. I find only a minute amount of the topics here personally offensive and with an equally minute number of exceptions within that already small number, I just avoid them, others should do the same.

[King_Herpes]

Kill Whitey!

[pimpdave]

Kill Whitey!

BIGOTRY! AGAINST MURDERERS!

[jiminski]

Kill Whitey!

BIGOTRY! AGAINST MURDERERS!

well not really... if i were to say "all murderers are sociopathic individuals of very limited intelligence, small penis' and no sense of rhythm". then i think i could be described as being bigoted toward murderers.

[Artimis]

if i were to say "all murderers are sociopathic individuals of very limited intelligence, small penis' and no sense of rhythm". then i think i could be described as being bigoted toward murderers.

*Reports post just for badness.*

[Simon Viavant]

So it's been a little while since these super new guidelines have come up.
IN the last few days, I've reported several posts from a certain individual, such as:

Why is it that each and every thread on sex, marriage and the Bible seems to devolve into "is homosexuality OK?" now?

Granted, this was hardly the most serious of threads, but it does seem to be a pattern now.

i think it's because the average mental age of at least half the posters on CC hovers somewhere between 5 and 9 years. considering the breadth of intellectual opposition to homosexuality here can be summed up as "ewwwww gross"

If i step in a pile of shit, my instinctive reaction is not to deliver a soliloquy on the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune - my reaction is "ewww gross". That's pretty much it for me and the gayboys. I like beautiful women, cerealsultan likes sucking dicks and taking it in the ass. How do i respond to that intellectually?

and

Ut oh, more scientific proof that homosexuality may be caused biologically and not because the individual is possessed by Satan

I can see the bible quoting folk scattering now.

I know of a lot of propaganda from the gayboys and a few unreplicated experiments, but maybe you could enlighten me where they have scientifically "proved" that homosexuality is biologically based.

Do i want a beautiful, smoothly dimpled, Pamela Anderson type of derrierre, or do i want a man's pimpled hairy ass? It's a fooking choice genius - i'll take door number 1, you make sure you close door number 2 behind you now.

and a few more.

So far nothing has been done about it.
So much for the "zero tolerance major punishment"

[AndyDufresne]

If reporting posts doesn't seem to be working, please fill out a cheating and abuse report. These are easier amd quicker to sift through than random reported posts across all our forums. If you make things more known to us, we can certainly take action, but it's impossible for us to hunt down everything. You have to play along too.


--Andy

[alster]

The Official Middle Ground:
Flames are posts or parts of posts which, directly or indirectly, insult, belittle, bully, name-call, or otherwise attack another user is not allowed.

In no circumstances is bigotry allowed.

Bigotry includes racism, aggressive homophobia, religion bashing or wishing violence on any minority group.
Bigotry takes into account historic events, emotional baggage and generally accepted associations with a term, phrase or intent - posting "White Power" in a thread has a history and is bigoted, posting "Green Power" makes you an environmentalist.
It doesn't matter if another user rubs you the wrong way, that's not an excuse to flame or attack them.
Attacking a person instead of the user is NOT ok - it's all fun and games until it becomes personal.

Using a person's real information, picture, address, blog or anything else "personal" is NOT ok.
Yes, we are liberal on course language, but this does not mean cyber-bullying or Bigotry is acceptable anywhere. You will be removed from the community for cyber-bullying or bigotry.

Flaming will get your post edited/deleted and will get you a warning from a mod. Cyber-bullying and bigotry will be removed, and a mod will probably come down on you like a ton of bricks.

Andy, this is bs as it seem pretty bigotted to me. Have you framed a set of guidelines using your Canadian, liberal standards seeing the world as "white=majority and racist" and "non-white=minority that needs protection".

Now, you can't have such a starting-point. Besides the fact that it's racist, it doesn't take into account the fact that this is an international site. It should state "ethnic group/race". Who the hell is a majority on a gloabl scale? Guess Chinese people come some way, but Chinese is made up of a shitload of ethnic groups, so Han Chinese get what, maybe 15-20% of the global population? Can we wish violence on Han Chinese people saying it's a majority? Also, I find it offensive that you use "White Power" only as an example. It should include other racist statements such as "Black Power" etc. These guidelines should be edited.

[owenshooter]

Also, I find it offensive that you use "White Power" only as an example. It should include other racist statements such as "Black Power" etc. These guidelines should be edited.

but "black power" isn't racist and "white power" is racist... bad example..-0

[xelabale]

So it's been a little while since these super new guidelines have come up.
IN the last few days, I've reported several posts from a certain individual, such as:

Why is it that each and every thread on sex, marriage and the Bible seems to devolve into "is homosexuality OK?" now?

Granted, this was hardly the most serious of threads, but it does seem to be a pattern now.

i think it's because the average mental age of at least half the posters on CC hovers somewhere between 5 and 9 years. considering the breadth of intellectual opposition to homosexuality here can be summed up as "ewwwww gross"

If i step in a pile of shit, my instinctive reaction is not to deliver a soliloquy on the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune - my reaction is "ewww gross". That's pretty much it for me and the gayboys. I like beautiful women, cerealsultan likes sucking dicks and taking it in the ass. How do i respond to that intellectually?

and

Ut oh, more scientific proof that homosexuality may be caused biologically and not because the individual is possessed by Satan

I can see the bible quoting folk scattering now.

I know of a lot of propaganda from the gayboys and a few unreplicated experiments, but maybe you could enlighten me where they have scientifically "proved" that homosexuality is biologically based.

Do i want a beautiful, smoothly dimpled, Pamela Anderson type of derrierre, or do i want a man's pimpled hairy ass? It's a fooking choice genius - i'll take door number 1, you make sure you close door number 2 behind you now.

and a few more.

So far nothing has been done about it.
So much for the "zero tolerance major punishment"

Did you report the posts simon, or is there context we're missing. Noone there found the comments insulting or bigoted in the context they were made. Feel free to report them if you're upset. That was part of the deal we struck with bananaman as I recall...

[owenshooter]

Did you report the posts simon, or is there context we're missing. Noone there found the comments insulting or bigoted in the context they were made. Feel free to report them if you're upset. That was part of the deal we struck with bananaman as I recall...

welcome to last week.. he started a C&A thread and the user was [warned], per the guidelines...-0

[jiminski]

Also, I find it offensive that you use "White Power" only as an example. It should include other racist statements such as "Black Power" etc. These guidelines should be edited.

but "black power" isn't racist and "white power" is racist... bad example..-0

Nah it's the perfect example.. just as antithesis to Al's point.

i do sort of know what he is aiming for though ... the guidlines are fairly .. well grey and wobbly! i am not sure they can be anything else but the mods have a big responsibility getting the subjective areas right.

[squishyg]

Also, I find it offensive that you use "White Power" only as an example. It should include other racist statements such as "Black Power" etc. These guidelines should be edited.

but "black power" isn't racist and "white power" is racist... bad example..-0

Nah it's the perfect example.. just as antithesis to Al's point.

i do sort of know what he is aiming for though ... the guidlines are fairly .. well grey and wobbly! i am not sure they can be anything else but the mods have a big responsibility getting the subjective areas right.

Black Power and White Power mean totally different things. White Power originated with Nazis and is associated with racism, anti-Semitism, and hate. Black Power is a political movement against white supremacy. While it did encourage separatism, it did not invoke violence or the extermination of entire cultures of people.

[jiminski]

Also, I find it offensive that you use "White Power" only as an example. It should include other racist statements such as "Black Power" etc. These guidelines should be edited.

but "black power" isn't racist and "white power" is racist... bad example..-0

Nah it's the perfect example.. just as antithesis to Al's point.

i do sort of know what he is aiming for though ... the guidlines are fairly .. well grey and wobbly! i am not sure they can be anything else but the mods have a big responsibility getting the subjective areas right.

Black Power and White Power mean totally different things. White Power originated with Nazis and is associated with racism, anti-Semitism, and hate. Black Power is a political movement against white supremacy. While it did encourage separatism, it did not invoke violence or the extermination of entire cultures of people.

cheers mate.. do you know what 'Antithesis' means?

[squishyg]

Yes, I do. Sorry if I was unclear. I was contributing to the conversation, not rebutting your point.

[jiminski]

Yes, I do. Sorry if I was unclear. I was contributing to the conversation, not rebutting your point.

good man.