LOST Mafia - Day 5 - cena-rules abducted!

[Fircoal]

I have a question:

nagerous claimed he protected Selin, right? So, if he did so, wouldn't that count as a visit to Selin's house, in terms of being a Watcher?

I would imagine so, under regular mafia circumstances, which I don't think this game would deviate too far from.

Well, if so, then that is why I question nagerous' claim. He did not visit Selin last night, according to Anarkistsdream.

quite interesting, name claim to go with your role claim? (And if you post your role pm, I will Kill you. )

[Ditocoaf]

I would imagine so, under regular mafia circumstances, from which I don't think this game would deviate too far.

EBWOP: never end a sentence with a preposition...

Really, this whole sentence was terrible. I give up on it. I'm going to let it die.

Your point got across; and that's all that matters. You were trying to get three ideas out in one sentence, so the dependent clauses were bound to be a little hard to manage.

Of course, I'm interested in hearing another response from nag.

So am I.

[Ditocoaf]

I have a question:

nagerous claimed he protected Selin, right? So, if he did so, wouldn't that count as a visit to Selin's house, in terms of being a Watcher?

I would imagine so, under regular mafia circumstances, which I don't think this game would deviate too far from.

Well, if so, then that is why I question nagerous' claim. He did not visit Selin last night, according to Anarkistsdream.

what, are we mass-claiming already? remember, AD hates that.

[Iliad]

I have a question:

nagerous claimed he protected Selin, right? So, if he did so, wouldn't that count as a visit to Selin's house, in terms of being a Watcher?

I would imagine so, under regular mafia circumstances, which I don't think this game would deviate too far from.

Well, if so, then that is why I question nagerous' claim. He did not visit Selin last night, according to Anarkistsdream.

So wait you're a watcher and you went to selin's house and no-one went there?
Veeery interesting

[Ditocoaf]

I have a question:

nagerous claimed he protected Selin, right? So, if he did so, wouldn't that count as a visit to Selin's house, in terms of being a Watcher?

Well, if so, then that is why I question nagerous' claim. He did not visit Selin last night, according to Anarkistsdream.

So wait you're a watcher and you went to selin's house and no-one went there?
Veeery interesting

No, I think he means he followed nag last night, and he didn't go to selin's house... but I don't believe that.

a) If you knew that he had not visited Selin, and he's claiming Jack the Doctor, you would know it's a false claim.
b) there was no real motivation to roleclaim yet... why did you?
c) why wouldn't you tell us where he did go, or if he didn't go anywhere? If he did leave his tent to go somewhere else, wouldn't that be more concrete, as long as you're roleclaiming? Or if he didn't leave his tent, why would you basically claim "watcher", then wait to say that he did not go to a specific location?
d) the probability that he just happened to be watching the person who is now in the hotseat is low-- it seems to me like senteniel is just trying to push a lynch quickly.

Of course, this doesn't mean nag's not scum... Sentential very well could be some other anti-town group, hoping for a quick lynch of somebody else, while confirming his own helpfulness.

[Neoteny]

No, I think he means he followed nag last night, and he didn't go to selin's house... but I don't believe that.

a) If you knew that he had not visited Selin, and he's claiming Jack the Doctor, you would know it's a false claim.
b) there was no real motivation to roleclaim yet... why did you?
c) why wouldn't you tell us where he did go, or if he didn't go anywhere? If he did leave his tent to go somewhere else, wouldn't that be more concrete, as long as you're roleclaiming? Or if he didn't leave his tent, why would you basically claim "watcher", then wait to say that he did not go to a specific location?
d) the probability that he just happened to be watching the person who is now in the hotseat is low-- it seems to me like senteniel is just trying to push a lynch quickly.

Of course, this doesn't mean nag's not scum... Sentential very well could be some other anti-town group, hoping for a quick lynch of somebody else, while confirming his own helpfulness.

Well, hold on...

a) i think sentinel might be unfamiliar with his role.
b) if nag turns out to be scum, i'd say it's a decent time. A bit early, but we can use the info.
c) this point does get me, but maybe he's just being cautious. I'll wait for a response from sentinel there.
d) your probabilities are a bit off. If there's one thing I've learned from modding is that night actions really tend to focus on high profile players. Nag is one of those players. I won't rule out either as lying at the moment, but I'm going to give sentinel a bit more benefit of the doubt than you are.

[Iliad]

Just re-read and it didn't look good for sentinel, nag claims and says he protected selin last night. Sentinel posts, first to protect himself from an accusation and then to cena about the whole incidencent. And only now he decides to drop this. I'm not fully swayed

[Neoteny]

Just re-read and it didn't look good for sentinel, nag claims and says he protected selin last night. Sentinel posts, first to protect himself from an accusation and then to cena about the whole incidencent. And only now he decides to drop this. I'm not fully swayed

I reread a few pages. Sentinel's defending his Gimpy vote and seems to have something against nag even earlier on. From his post above, it seems to be the track. That's my perspective anyhow...

[Sentinel XIV]

I'm not unfamiliar with my role. I know exactly what it means. Ask Anarkistsdream, as I had to correct him about it.

Anyway, I watched Selin, and nagerous did not visit him. I am sure of that.

And I felt this was a good time to divulge the information. nagerous' claim seems suspicious to me, as I would think that he would have visited Selin last night if he had protected him.

[Ditocoaf]

I'm not unfamiliar with my role. I know exactly what it means. Ask Anarkistsdream, as I had to correct him about it.

Anyway, I watched Selin, and nagerous did not visit him. I am sure of that.

And I felt this was a good time to divulge the information. nagerous' claim seems suspicious to me, as I would think that he would have visited Selin last night if he had protected him.

you're still not answering fully... what did nagareous do? That seems the natural way to state the phrase, unless your query had to be as specific as "Did nag visit selin? yes/no." That's why this feels made up to me.

[Sentinel XIV]

I'm not unfamiliar with my role. I know exactly what it means. Ask Anarkistsdream, as I had to correct him about it.

Anyway, I watched Selin, and nagerous did not visit him. I am sure of that.

And I felt this was a good time to divulge the information. nagerous' claim seems suspicious to me, as I would think that he would have visited Selin last night if he had protected him.

you're still not answering fully... what did nagareous do? That seems the natural way to state the phrase, unless your query had to be as specific as "Did nag visit selin? yes/no." That's why this feels made up to me.

Maybe you don't understand the role of a watcher. I ask to watch a specific person, and the mod tells me who visited them. I watched Selin. nagerous did not visit him during the night.

[Ditocoaf]

I'm not unfamiliar with my role. I know exactly what it means. Ask Anarkistsdream, as I had to correct him about it.

Anyway, I watched Selin, and nagerous did not visit him. I am sure of that.

And I felt this was a good time to divulge the information. nagerous' claim seems suspicious to me, as I would think that he would have visited Selin last night if he had protected him.

you're still not answering fully... what did nagareous do? That seems the natural way to state the phrase, unless your query had to be as specific as "Did nag visit selin? yes/no." That's why this feels made up to me.

Maybe you don't understand the role of a watcher. I ask to watch a specific person, and the mod tells me who visited them. I watched Selin. nagerous did not visit him during the night.

Ah, I was confusing your role with that of a "tracker", who watches to see who your target visits. Never mind .

[rebelman]

with a view to not giving too much away early in this game - I am certain nag made a false claim (I'm so confident in this statement that I'm asking you guys to lynch/kill me if I'm wrong, but I know I'm not ) and my logic I posted earlier is solid but I have other reasons as well to believe its a false claim but a very clever one from a scum perspective because if /when the real jack reveals himself scum will know who the leader of the town is. so in that regard I strongly urge the real Jack not to reveal themselves and that you guys take my word for it on this one.

[nagerous]

For christs sake rebel, why are you all trying to lynch the doc. I've honestly had enough of this game, people calling me scum when I'm the town doctor. I sent in a PM to visit Selin last night, what happened next I don't know. Maybe I was roleblocked? Maybe I was bus-drivered. Maybe Sentinel is lying, there are numerous possibilities. Don't rule them out. You shouldn't lynch me, there has been no counterclaim, there will be no counter-claim I guarantee.

[Anarkistsdream]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

(5) Nagerous – mandalorian2298, Sentinel XIV, GT, rebelman, SECRET VOTE
(1) Cena-rules – Nagerous
(2) Sentinel XIV - pmchugh, Fircoal
(2) Rebelman - /, LoVo,


With 19 alive it takes ten to lynch!

And, guys, I DO ask that you quit saying, "Well that's what Anarkistsdream said..."

I am the mod... Don't use me in some way to guarantee what you're saying is true... I've lied to a shitload of you so far in this game. I would assume you guys would expect that. Just because I have said something does NOT make it true... This is mafia.

[Neoteny]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

(5) Nagerous – mandalorian2298, Sentinel XIV, GT, rebelman, SECRET VOTE
(1) Cena-rules – Nagerous
(2) Sentinel XIV - pmchugh, Fircoal
(2) Rebelman - /, LoVo,


With 19 alive it takes ten to lynch!

And, guys, I DO ask that you quit saying, "Well that's what Anarkistsdream said..."

I am the mod... Don't use me in some way to guarantee what you're saying is true... I've lied to a shitload of you so far in this game. I would assume you guys would expect that. Just because I have said something does NOT make it true... This is mafia.

But... you told me you loved me...

[nagerous]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

(5) Nagerous – mandalorian2298, Sentinel XIV, GT, rebelman, SECRET VOTE
(1) Cena-rules – Nagerous
(2) Sentinel XIV - pmchugh, Fircoal
(2) Rebelman - /, LoVo,


With 19 alive it takes ten to lynch!

And, guys, I DO ask that you quit saying, "Well that's what Anarkistsdream said..."

I am the mod... Don't use me in some way to guarantee what you're saying is true... I've lied to a shitload of you so far in this game. I would assume you guys would expect that. Just because I have said something does NOT make it true... This is mafia.

But... you told me you loved me...

Bastard! He told me that too

[Anarkistsdream]

Did I mention that I am a whore AND a liar...

[Sentinel XIV]

Ok, a quick re-cap:

1. nagerous claims to be Jack, the town doctor, and claims he protected Selin last night.
2. nagerous either did not visit Selin last night, or was roleblocked or bus-drivered.
3. rebelman is strong in his feeling that nagerous is NOT Jack, but wishes to not divulge further information.
4. rebelman also believes nagerous' claim to be a grand scheme for the real Jack to out himself to the scum, and therefore does not want a counter-claim from the real Jack.

So, do we believe nagerous or rebelman? I'm not sure quite yet. However, I do believe that nagerous was not roleblocked. Otherwise, Selin would be dead, in my opinion. Unless... two doctors, perhaps?

[nagerous]

Well, I'll tell you what. If there is any other cops they can investigate me tonight and clear me. It's interesting that cena did not get a role name but just scum. Thats normally a sign of a cop of varying sanities as in most games cops get a full role as opposed to just a town or scum response.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Well, I'll tell you what. If there is any other cops they can investigate me tonight and clear me. It's interesting that cena did not get a role name but just scum. Thats normally a sign of a cop of varying sanities as in most games cops get a full role as opposed to just a town or scum response.

My games I just give scum, town, or third party unless they are a mafia cop. I find giving cop all that information is just too overpowering for the town.

[mandalorian2298]

When did I unvote and voted the same person? I don't remember doing that. Must be the years catching up with me.

I'm not unfamiliar with my role. I know exactly what it means. Ask Anarkistsdream, as I had to correct him about it.

Anyway, I watched Selin, and nagerous did not visit him. I am sure of that.

And I felt this was a good time to divulge the information. nagerous' claim seems suspicious to me, as I would think that he would have visited Selin last night if he had protected him.

you're still not answering fully... what did nagareous do? That seems the natural way to state the phrase, unless your query had to be as specific as "Did nag visit selin? yes/no." That's why this feels made up to me.

Maybe you don't understand the role of a watcher. I ask to watch a specific person, and the mod tells me who visited them. I watched Selin. nagerous did not visit him during the night.

I understand the role of the Watcher completely. In fact, have that role. Ain't tha something?

Mayor FOS on Sentinel

I will leave my vote on Nagerus because of Cena's claim, but Sentinel should definetly be the next one to go.

If you guys don't believe me, I can tell you whom I watch tonight, but I would prefer not tu since, I strongly believe that person might have been the Doc (he protected Pmchugh, hence the mysterious message from the begining of Day 2).

[cmckinney]

Ok, a quick re-cap:

1. nagerous claims to be Jack, the town doctor, and claims he protected Selin last night.
2. nagerous either did not visit Selin last night, or was roleblocked or bus-drivered.
3. rebelman is strong in his feeling that nagerous is NOT Jack, but wishes to not divulge further information.
4. rebelman also believes nagerous' claim to be a grand scheme for the real Jack to out himself to the scum, and therefore does not want a counter-claim from the real Jack.

So, do we believe nagerous or rebelman? I'm not sure quite yet. However, I do believe that nagerous was not roleblocked. Otherwise, Selin would be dead, in my opinion. Unless... two doctors, perhaps?

2. Sentinel claims nagerous either did not visit Selin last night, or was roleblocked or bus-drivered.

And in a game this size, its possible that there could be two docs.

[gimpyThewonder]

ok due to circumstances beyond my control (specifically pregnant wife health stuff) i'm here @ work and not @ a conference. So i'd like to weigh in on some issues.

firstly the lynch/tests votes. I'll tell you not only why i voted tests but why you wilkl find scum in the lynch category more likely than the tests. I voted for tests to get more info out of the lynch. We all pretty much knew william was scum, lynching him would only net us confirmation, but if we tortured him we could possibly get more info like OTHER SCUM in addition to the confirmation! Voting to lynch is a sure fire way to send him to his grave w/out revealing any info on the scum and is thus the only safe vote for them. They know their Godfather is going down either way. And I don't want to hear about Ben escaping, sure it could happen, but i'd bet dollars to doughnuts that at least 1 vig is in this game (my guess would be sawyer) if not 2 (kate) so they could have popped Ben like a rotten coconut. Had he escaped, really its not like he could hide anywhere, "Oh look william is miraculously alive and posting, perhaps he's not really dead "

secondly i'm not sure i'm convinced on Nag, after that fit he threw taking his toys and going home he all but said yes i'm scum i'm not playing. Then he came up w/ the idea to take down Jack w/ him on the way out (which is one i applaud as being quite clever if a bit evil minded). I'm holding my vote off for now seeing how my last hunch worked out not so great. But its a move only an experienced player would try. plus there is second confirmation that Nag didn't visit Selin. I'm just not sure i buy his innocence. Saying that I certainly don't want to lynch Jack, but if he's not the real one then stay hidden real Jack, and we'll get another investigation on Nag.

thirdly, how kick-ass was last night episode. I enjoyed seeing Ben in full pissed off badassery. I really enjoyed it

[Ditocoaf]

thirdly, how kick-ass was last night episode. I enjoyed seeing Ben in full pissed off badassery. I really enjoyed it

NO SPOILERS (I TiVo)