Skoffin's Madhouse mafia Day Seven

[nagerous]

Don't replace teh nag!

[kwanton]

well that was a fun night

Anywhoo, moving on from my inebriated daze, I'm leaning more towards the voices referencing players rather than roles. I think that it would be way too much of a coincidence to have 2 roles be that similar to two players in the game and have a mysterious voice try to tell us about them. Whether or not it is telling us they are town or scum is something beyond my insight at the moment tho. It seems like just odd messages that aren't really telling us anything. Let's not act on anything the voice(s) say until it(they) give us something concrete.


Also, that "fun night" thing was in reference to the fun night I had IRL. I'm guessing someone is going to be stupid and think it means I had a fun game night and take it as a scum tell. Therefore I'm inserting this secret message into my post. Lynch the jackass who misunderstands what I meant.

[Skoffin]

I'll replace.

Errr, have you ever played before?

Skoff, I thought I was subbing >_>

Yesssss, I've sent prods out and am awaiting responses. Those that don't get active will be replaced. Be patient grasshopper.

Vote Count:
Macalester ===== (Mandalorian) (1)
Ditocoaf ====== (Innervision, Sierra Leon, Fireedud, Militant) (4)
The1exile ===== (animorph, Ditocoaf, TWO, Dark Wingstalker, Nark, Danoduke) (6)
ace1217 ====== (/) (1)

With 30 alive, it takes 16 to lynch.

[The1exile]

Vote Count:
Macalester ===== (Mandalorian) (1)
Ditocoaf ====== (Innervision, Sierra Leon, Fireedud, Militant) (4)
The1exile ===== (animorph, Ditocoaf, TWO, Dark Wingstalker, Nark, Danoduke) (6)
ace1217 ====== (/) (1)

With 30 alive, it takes 16 to lynch.
I'm lazy but don't wanna die i'll make another real vote count later in case skoff thinks I'm pushing my luck.

[Sierra_Leon]

This speaker business is kinda like the situation in Exile's Athlatakkatakaat mafia (did I spell that right? ). We don't know whether the person speaking is a townie with some inside knowledge, a townie knowing just as little as the rest of us but just trying to push his hunch, or a mafia trying to trick the town into a bad lynch. The way we dealt with it then is the best way to deal with it here: ignore it.

Meanwhile, I see no reason to take my vote off Dito and I don't see a reason presenting itself today either. Dito is the lynch today and if you don't like it you can go lynch someone else without the help of my vote. This day is dragging and if we don't start pushing for a lynch it'll be another no-lynch. Nobody wants that to happen, do they? I'll consider everyone not voting somebody else 24 hours from now to be deliberately trying to stall the game. kthanxbai

[mandalorian2298]

This speaker business is kinda like the situation in Exile's Athlatakkatakaat mafia (did I spell that right? ). We don't know whether the person speaking is a townie with some inside knowledge, a townie knowing just as little as the rest of us but just trying to push his hunch, or a mafia trying to trick the town into a bad lynch. The way we dealt with it then is the best way to deal with it here: ignore it.

I'm not saying that you are wrong, but (in case that this is indeed an Akhatlalike setup) I must point out that it's real hurtful to ignore people who try to manipulate you through messages.

[The1exile]

It is pronounced "Athkatla".

By the way, no, I've never met Pizzaro, but I love his pies.

[mandalorian2298]

It is pronounced "Athkatla".

I was closer then Sierra!

[mr. incrediball]

I'll replace.

Errr, have you ever played before?

i don't know, something about that fitzgerald fellow seems... familiar...

[The Weird One]

This speaker business is kinda like the situation in Exile's Athlatakkatakaat mafia (did I spell that right? ). We don't know whether the person speaking is a townie with some inside knowledge, a townie knowing just as little as the rest of us but just trying to push his hunch, or a mafia trying to trick the town into a bad lynch. The way we dealt with it then is the best way to deal with it here: ignore it.

Meanwhile, I see no reason to take my vote off Dito and I don't see a reason presenting itself today either. Dito is the lynch today and if you don't like it you can go lynch someone else without the help of my vote. This day is dragging and if we don't start pushing for a lynch it'll be another no-lynch. Nobody wants that to happen, do they? I'll consider everyone not voting somebody else 24 hours from now to be deliberately trying to stall the game. kthanxbai

My vote stands. Exile's closer to a lynch and seems scummier to me. If you're pushing for a lynch, why go for the person with fewer votes?

[Sierra_Leon]

This speaker business is kinda like the situation in Exile's Athlatakkatakaat mafia (did I spell that right? ). We don't know whether the person speaking is a townie with some inside knowledge, a townie knowing just as little as the rest of us but just trying to push his hunch, or a mafia trying to trick the town into a bad lynch. The way we dealt with it then is the best way to deal with it here: ignore it.

Meanwhile, I see no reason to take my vote off Dito and I don't see a reason presenting itself today either. Dito is the lynch today and if you don't like it you can go lynch someone else without the help of my vote. This day is dragging and if we don't start pushing for a lynch it'll be another no-lynch. Nobody wants that to happen, do they? I'll consider everyone not voting somebody else 24 hours from now to be deliberately trying to stall the game. kthanxbai

My vote stands. Exile's closer to a lynch and seems scummier to me. If you're pushing for a lynch, why go for the person with fewer votes?

Because I strongly disagree with the bolded part.

[The Weird One]

This speaker business is kinda like the situation in Exile's Athlatakkatakaat mafia (did I spell that right? ). We don't know whether the person speaking is a townie with some inside knowledge, a townie knowing just as little as the rest of us but just trying to push his hunch, or a mafia trying to trick the town into a bad lynch. The way we dealt with it then is the best way to deal with it here: ignore it.

Meanwhile, I see no reason to take my vote off Dito and I don't see a reason presenting itself today either. Dito is the lynch today and if you don't like it you can go lynch someone else without the help of my vote. This day is dragging and if we don't start pushing for a lynch it'll be another no-lynch. Nobody wants that to happen, do they? I'll consider everyone not voting somebody else 24 hours from now to be deliberately trying to stall the game. kthanxbai

My vote stands. Exile's closer to a lynch and seems scummier to me. If you're pushing for a lynch, why go for the person with fewer votes?

Because I strongly disagree with the bolded part.

fair 'nuff.

[Ditocoaf]

Meanwhile, I see no reason to take my vote off Dito and I don't see a reason presenting itself today either. Dito is the lynch today and if you don't like it you can go lynch someone else without the help of my vote. This day is dragging and if we don't start pushing for a lynch it'll be another no-lynch.

This is going to sound OMGUS-ey, but...you're acting a little suspicious. Nobody else is that sure of who's right between exile and me; everyone voting for exile is being careful, and so is everyone (but you) voting me. "This is the lynch today or GTFO"? When you're voting someone who isn't the closest? That would have been acceptable yesterday, but today I'm only Suspect #2 (according to the polls). If you're so desperate for a lynch, why are you so against voting exile?

[Sierra_Leon]

You just asked the exact same question I just answered TWO. [insert some fitting smilie here]

[DRoZ]

What dito is saying about sierra makes some sense, it is a bit off putting when it seems someone is overly sure about something with no real evidence to back it up, but I think it is just in sierra's nature to be so bold. In what I can remember from the few situations where I have seen sierra go into his theory, he does so with a very sure tone.

In regards to the booming voice... Is this the same booming voice as heard earlier, or another booming voice altogether. The Voldemort reference was referred to as the same voice with the Chavez riddle. If this is the same person then the three clues have been Chavez (good guy), Voldemort (bad guy or player) and now a pokemon reference (lame people).

I can agree to a point with the "ignore all these voices" option, but I would rather see just a brief discussion of them and to move on. Mainly I think they should be talked about, just not dwelt on.

[animorpherv1]

unvote cote: Sierra This is our lynch today or GTFO, what Dito and DROZ said makes sense, you haven't even thought of lynching exile, it's just so out of your mind, if Dito wanted to be lynched earler, and everyone says Scum don't want to be lynched, does that really mean he's scum? I think not.

[DRoZ]

I didn't know they were rival historians, so I searched Wikipedia for some more information. It seems they didn't live in the same time, so they're not actually personal rivals, but it's their methods/traditions that differ.

The tension between the Thucydidean and Herodotean traditions extends beyond historical research. According to Irving Kristol, considered the founder of American Neoconservatism, Thucydides wrote "the favorite neoconservative text on foreign affairs," and Thucydides is a required text at the Naval War College. On the other hand, author and labour lawyer Thomas Geoghegan recommends Herodotus as a better source than Thucydides for drawing historical lessons relevant for the present.

I agree that this fits the rival lynchers profile. I suggest we lynch one of them anyway. Hopefully, if we lynch one, the other will have won and be removed from the game. That rids us of 2 non-townies with one lynch. I still prefer Dito, on the chance he's not a lyncher but mafia, but I'll be content with an exile lynch too.

This part is what is confusing me sierra... At the time of your statement here you were perfectly fine with a lynch of either of them. Your next post included "please lynch dito" and from that point on you were adamant on dito must be the one to lynch because people are dragging out the day. If your main reason for pushing a lynch is to end this day with a lynch, then why do you have so much of a problem with an exile lynch, even though he has two more votes on him at this time. You go on to accuse the non voters of dragging out the day even though you yourself admit to be a hindrance to the town if the vote isn't on dito. All of these things are making me worrisome of a positive relationship between you and exile or a negative one between you and dito. Your reasoning behind this dito push just doesn't seem to be a town searching for scum, but rather of an ulterior motive. Mix in the fact that both you and exile have threatened people to this point, (exile with the "bad things happen if I die", which by the way he still hasn't answered to, and you sierra with the 24 hour demand) making neither of you seem very town at the moment.

p.s. ani your vote should be in blue.

[F1fth]

I didn't know they were rival historians, so I searched Wikipedia for some more information. It seems they didn't live in the same time, so they're not actually personal rivals, but it's their methods/traditions that differ.

The tension between the Thucydidean and Herodotean traditions extends beyond historical research. According to Irving Kristol, considered the founder of American Neoconservatism, Thucydides wrote "the favorite neoconservative text on foreign affairs," and Thucydides is a required text at the Naval War College. On the other hand, author and labour lawyer Thomas Geoghegan recommends Herodotus as a better source than Thucydides for drawing historical lessons relevant for the present.

I agree that this fits the rival lynchers profile. I suggest we lynch one of them anyway. Hopefully, if we lynch one, the other will have won and be removed from the game. That rids us of 2 non-townies with one lynch. I still prefer Dito, on the chance he's not a lyncher but mafia, but I'll be content with an exile lynch too.

This part is what is confusing me sierra... At the time of your statement here you were perfectly fine with a lynch of either of them. Your next post included "please lynch dito" and from that point on you were adamant on dito must be the one to lynch because people are dragging out the day. If your main reason for pushing a lynch is to end this day with a lynch, then why do you have so much of a problem with an exile lynch, even though he has two more votes on him at this time. You go on to accuse the non voters of dragging out the day even though you yourself admit to be a hindrance to the town if the vote isn't on dito. All of these things are making me worrisome of a positive relationship between you and exile or a negative one between you and dito. Your reasoning behind this dito push just doesn't seem to be a town searching for scum, but rather of an ulterior motive. Mix in the fact that both you and exile have threatened people to this point, (exile with the "bad things happen if I die", which by the way he still hasn't answered to, and you sierra with the 24 hour demand) making neither of you seem very town at the moment.

p.s. ani your vote should be in blue.

Insightful and well-argued point, DRoZ.

Sierra, I graciously ask for more of an explanation than "he seems scummier to me," else I can't agree with your logic and especially can't trust your motives.

[Sierra_Leon]

This speaker business is kinda like the situation in Exile's Athlatakkatakaat mafia (did I spell that right? ). We don't know whether the person speaking is a townie with some inside knowledge, a townie knowing just as little as the rest of us but just trying to push his hunch, or a mafia trying to trick the town into a bad lynch. The way we dealt with it then is the best way to deal with it here: ignore it.

Meanwhile, I see no reason to take my vote off Dito and I don't see a reason presenting itself today either. Dito is the lynch today and if you don't like it you can go lynch someone else without the help of my vote. This day is dragging and if we don't start pushing for a lynch it'll be another no-lynch. Nobody wants that to happen, do they? I'll consider everyone not voting somebody else 24 hours from now to be deliberately trying to stall the game. kthanxbai

Looking back at my own post, I see I worded it a bit harshly. I was in a bad mood yesterday, that might have something to do with it. I take back the part where I said I won't vote anyone but Dito. The post quoted by DRoZ where I said "I still prefer Dito, on the chance he's not a lyncher but mafia, but I'll be content with an exile lynch too" was written in a clearer state of mind and that's the statement I'm sticking with. The part where I said I'll FOS everyone who's not voting anyone was a bit crude perhaps, but I stand by my opinion that 18 not voting out of the 30 people alive is an awful lot. Don't these people have an opinion of there own, are they afraid to vote for some reason, or are they waiting for a bandwagon to grow before they join in? I really wish these people would participate more actively.

As for why Dito is scummier than Exile: Dito can be tied/connected to a lot of people who spoke in his favour and even defended him from a lynch day 1. I already mentioned this before: those people were fircoal, animorph, Nark, and most importantly Kalish, who was mafia. I can't see a survivor/lyncher having so many ties with other players. Exile fits the survivor/lyncher-profile much better, I can't connect him with other players that easily. Thus Dito has a better chance of turning up mafia than exile does.

[kwanton]

As to why I wasn't voting, I was waiting for some grand argument between exile and dito so I could pick out scum tells, but neither one is biting much.

[F1fth]

To answer you rhetorical question, Sierra, I'm sure the reason people didn't vote was a little bit of all of those things; but my reason was because I didn't agree with the Dito lynch and I wasn't about to start a random bandwagon on someone. I prefer to find reasons and then vote for them, not vote for them and find reasons.

[Ditocoaf]

I have no clue why some people supported me yesterday, I can only assume it's because they thought I made sense. Remember, we don't only make decisions based on alignment, we can also use something called "logic". Maybe it would be useful to lynch me to see if those who were against my lynch, were scum, but we would learn a lot from an exile lynch as well, as I have seen a few people sticking up for him. And, like I said... what are the chances of me fake-claiming exile's exact role, unless skoffin gave me a "safe claim," which she is surely too lazy to do?

[Skoffin]

oh boy oy boy lazy mod a lurkin', here to tell you deadline is now Saturday 12pm. Not because I'm generous but because it's easier to do scenes on Saturdays. Have fun.

[animorpherv1]

Yes, Dito has everything right, if you even need me to prove it, get me ay Lynch -1, and I'll claim.

[Anarkistsdream]

I have no clue why some people supported me yesterday, I can only assume it's because they thought I made sense. Remember, we don't only make decisions based on alignment, we can also use something called "logic". Maybe it would be useful to lynch me to see if those who were against my lynch, were scum, but we would learn a lot from an exile lynch as well, as I have seen a few people sticking up for him. And, like I said... what are the chances of me fake-claiming exile's exact role, unless skoffin gave me a "safe claim," which she is surely too lazy to do?

Especially considering you claimed it first.

However, if we lynch Exile and he was right, you'll be a dead man by morning.