LOST Mafia - Day 5 - cena-rules abducted!

[rebelman]

i have my reasons for my my theory about nag im as sure as i can be about anything that he is not jack, as this is so early in the game it would be crazy for me to explain how i know this but i do

[Neoteny]

You people are confusing the hell out of me. From what I can see, we have three people who are definitively saying "nag is lying." Against that, we have nag saying otherwise and a bunch of conjecture about role possibilities. Does anybody have anything that is actually compelling evidence-wise to defend nag? If we lynch him and he's town, we have three scum possibilities. However, I don't really see three scummers sticking their necks out like this all at once. That's my perspective. I say we lynch him.

[cmckinney]

You people are confusing the hell out of me. From what I can see, we have three people who are definitively saying "nag is lying." Against that, we have nag saying otherwise and a bunch of conjecture about role possibilities. Does anybody have anything that is actually compelling evidence-wise to defend nag? If we lynch him and he's town, we have three scum possibilities. However, I don't really see three scummers sticking their necks out like this all at once. That's my perspective. I say we lynch him.

Well...the odds are growing that he is the town doctor, considering nobody has role claimed. Now why would you want to lynch a claimed doctor?

The fact that nobody has counter claimed Nag's role is enough for me as of now.

[cmckinney]

and if he was lying about his role, we would probably know about it right now.

[Iliad]

Unvote vote sentinel

Nag seems to be telling the truh, and sent doesn't

[Neoteny]

I can't, in good conscience, vote either of them right now. I guess I'll see what happens...

[Selin]

Please avoid further voting for the next half an hour and wait for my detailed post!

[Selin]

Sentinel, you have already claimed your role. Could you share also your name with us?

And could you please tell us how many people visited me last night? I don't ask their names yet.

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[cmckinney]

Please avoid further voting for the next half an hour and wait for my detailed post!

Please! Selin needs absolute silence as he goes about his work!

[Selin]

Hmmm... this game becomes more interesting than real Lost.

As usual, I will start with a summary:

1) Nobody was killed last night, i.e. either doc or roleblocker did a good job or mafia missed its turn. The possibility that mafia missed its turn is pretty low (over 80 hours night with many player posts).
Doctor or roleblocker worked well last night.

2) cena directly voted nag at the beginning of day 2 stating he know things. Later it became clear that cena is Desmond, the cop. This is %100 for sure, because AD stated that his claim was correct. One remark at that point: There are other characters in real Lost who fit much better for the role of cop.
Cena (Desmond) is either paranoid or insane cop.

3) Nag first got angry about cena's full role claim and about AD's approval of cena's claim. He posted: "Cena should be modkilled for that stunt, editing won't do nothing now as you just revealed all he said must be true Nark. Thanks a ton." And he voted himself. After 10 minutes he claimed to be Jack, the doctor and stated he protected Selin and unvoted himself.
I will not comment about that for the time being.

4a) Rebelman stated very clearly that nag's role claim is false and voted nag. That was posted at a point where many players unvoted nag already after he claimed to be Jack! There was not even a single reason that rebelman should post that at that point, because many believed cena is insane and nag's claim maybe correct.
rebelman was sure that nag was lying.

4b) After 20 minutes Rebelman tried to argue the reason for his post with some not easily understandable English and logic. I believe that was a try to find arguments for his first post, because he couldn't explain the real reason why he was that much certain about nag's fake claim. In his later posts it became more and more clear that he has some other reasons that he doesn't want to share with us for the moment ("early in the game").
I will not comment about that further for the time being.

5) Sentinel claimed to be watcher. He watched Selin last night. He said that Nag didn't come to Selin, although he claimed he protected Selin. But there were some others who visited Selin!
I will not comment about that for the time being.

6a) Mandy claimed also to be a watcher. He wrote:
"I understand the role of the Watcher completely. In fact, have that role. Ain't tha something?
Mayor FOS on Sentinel
I will leave my vote on Nagerus because of Cena's claim, but Sentinel should definetly be the next one to go.
If you guys don't believe me, I can tell you whom I watch tonight, but I would prefer not tu since, I strongly believe that person might have been the Doc (he protected Pmchugh, hence the mysterious message from the begining of Day 2)."
Mandy is lying. A watcher can't know whom the watched person visits and what he does as night action! A watcher can only know who visits the watched person, but can't even know what visitors did with the watched person. So, he had no possibility to know that the watched player protected Pmchugh. That shows that his mysterious message from the beginning of Day 2 was also a fake preparation for later argumentations.

6b) Mandy's vote is still with nag and he argues this still with the claim of cena.

6c) On day 1 mandy made an analysis and gave three candidates who looked like scum: ditocoaf, dittoeve and william. He made detailed analysis for ditocoaf and dittoeve, also referred to one post of william in addition to pmchugh's analysis of william. Although there were clearer leads against william he first voted ditocoaf, than changed his vote to dittoeve, but never voted william, even after the case against william became very clear.
Mandy mentioned about william in his post, because pmchugh made already strong argument against william, however mandy never voted william.


FINAL CONCLUSION:

There are some possibilities about nag, cena, rebelman and sentinel. As we may reveal some further valuable information for scum, I didn't list some of my conclusions giving possible combinations of roles. We can't be very sure which one of them is scum, however Mandy is lying for sure because of above mentioned reasons.

Vote: Mandy

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[Iliad]

Interesting, I'll check out the lead on mandy myself and then comment

[Iliad]

When did I unvote and voted the same person? I don't remember doing that. Must be the years catching up with me.

you're still not answering fully... what did nagareous do? That seems the natural way to state the phrase, unless your query had to be as specific as "Did nag visit selin? yes/no." That's why this feels made up to me.

Maybe you don't understand the role of a watcher. I ask to watch a specific person, and the mod tells me who visited them. I watched Selin. nagerous did not visit him during the night.

I understand the role of the Watcher completely. In fact, have that role. Ain't tha something?

Mayor FOS on Sentinel

I will leave my vote on Nagerus because of Cena's claim, but Sentinel should definetly be the next one to go.

If you guys don't believe me, I can tell you whom I watch tonight, but I would prefer not tu since, I strongly believe that person might have been the Doc (he protected Pmchugh, hence the mysterious message from the begining of Day 2).

Okay interesting lead

Does he refer to pmc? Cause if mandy is telling the truth and if he did watch pmc and nag went to pmc that means nag is lying
And Lynch All Liars

[Selin]

When did I unvote and voted the same person? I don't remember doing that. Must be the years catching up with me.

Maybe you don't understand the role of a watcher. I ask to watch a specific person, and the mod tells me who visited them. I watched Selin. nagerous did not visit him during the night.

I understand the role of the Watcher completely. In fact, have that role. Ain't tha something?

Mayor FOS on Sentinel

I will leave my vote on Nagerus because of Cena's claim, but Sentinel should definetly be the next one to go.

If you guys don't believe me, I can tell you whom I watch tonight, but I would prefer not tu since, I strongly believe that person might have been the Doc (he protected Pmchugh, hence the mysterious message from the begining of Day 2).

Okay interesting lead

Does he refer to pmc? Cause if mandy is telling the truth and if he did watch pmc and nag went to pmc that means nag is lying
And Lynch All Liars

He talks about the watched player who protected Pmchugh! He can't get this information by watching someone. He can't know where the watched player went (only trackers can) and he can't know that the watched player protected someone, even if mandy is a tracker.

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[Iliad]

Maybe you don't understand the role of a watcher. I ask to watch a specific person, and the mod tells me who visited them. I watched Selin. nagerous did not visit him during the night.

I understand the role of the Watcher completely. In fact, have that role. Ain't tha something?

Mayor FOS on Sentinel

I will leave my vote on Nagerus because of Cena's claim, but Sentinel should definetly be the next one to go.

If you guys don't believe me, I can tell you whom I watch tonight, but I would prefer not tu since, I strongly believe that person might have been the Doc (he protected Pmchugh, hence the mysterious message from the begining of Day 2).

Okay interesting lead

Does he refer to pmc? Cause if mandy is telling the truth and if he did watch pmc and nag went to pmc that means nag is lying
And Lynch All Liars

He talks about the watched player who protected Pmchugh! He can't get this information by watching someone. He can't know where the watched player went (only trackers can) and he can't know that the watched player protected someone, even if mandy is a tracker.

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Even more it conflicts with nag's statement that he protected you I think

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Unvote vote mandalorian

[cmckinney]

He talks about the watched player who protected Pmchugh! He can't get this information by watching someone. He can't know where the watched player went (only trackers can) and he can't know that the watched player protected someone, even if mandy is a tracker.

Even more it conflicts with nag's statement that he protected you I think[/quote]

How so?

[Selin]

In the game setup we know for sure that we have Jack as a doctor. In addition to him we had Juliet also being a doctor/survivor. So we have already 2 doctors in the game setup. How many doctors would you expect in a game with 21 players?

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[Selin]

Selin is not a "new" player LV. He was playing long before you started With that said, I'll Unvote for now.

Would you please tell us who you unvoted?

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[Ditocoaf]

Wow... intense post. I feel like we should be sitting around the parlor, as Selin smokes a pipe.

I'm going to Vote Mandalorian to raise the pressure, but we should at least hear a few words from mandy before any lynch.

[Sentinel XIV]

Sentinel, you have already claimed your role. Could you share also your name with us?

And could you please tell us how many people visited me last night? I don't ask their names yet.

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No problem.

Three people visited Selin last night. And Danielle Rousseau is my role name.

My viewpoint is this:

nagerous may well be telling the truth, and perhaps he was roleblocked. Selin makes a good argument against mandalorian and his claim of being a watcher. I'll wait to see what mandalorian has to say.

[lord voldemort]

yes im just waiting for mando's response. fos him for now

[gimpyThewonder]

looks like Mandy slipped up on that one. and none of us even caught it besides Selin.

vote mandy cause he's a liar

[mandalorian2298]

Mandy's note: I skipped the boring beginning up until the part which is about me.

5) Sentinel claimed to be watcher. He watched Selin last night. He said that Nag didn't come to Selin, although he claimed he protected Selin. But there were some others who visited Selin!
I will not comment about that for the time being.

6a) Mandy claimed also to be a watcher. He wrote:
"I understand the role of the Watcher completely. In fact, have that role. Ain't tha something?
Mayor FOS on Sentinel
I will leave my vote on Nagerus because of Cena's claim, but Sentinel should definetly be the next one to go.
If you guys don't believe me, I can tell you whom I watch tonight, but I would prefer not tu since, I strongly believe that person might have been the Doc (he protected Pmchugh, hence the mysterious message from the begining of Day 2)."
Mandy is lying. A watcher can't know whom the watched person visits and what he does as night action! A watcher can only know who visits the watched person, but can't even know what visitors did with the watched person. So, he had no possibility to know that the watched player protected Pmchugh. That shows that his mysterious message from the beginning of Day 2 was also a fake preparation for later argumentations.

1. I am not lying. When I started lying you will be able to tell by the fact that you're not even considering possibility that I might be lying.

2. I have underlined and colored two lines in the previous quote. Pink and underlined is my statement (I am so sure of my masculinity that I have generously allowed you to take the blue color ), blue and underlined is your argument against my statement. You are saying that Watcher's Night action does not supply him with knowledge of visitor's occupation and this is indeed true. I, however, have never claimed the opposite. I said that I strongly believe that the visitor has been a Doctor, not that my power has told me that the visitor is a Doctor (this is how you are interpreting what I said). I have come to believe that the visitor is a Doctor because: a) pmchugh had not died and b) pmchugh has been the star of Day 1, since his case against William proved correct. Thus, he was a good choice for Night 1 mafia NK (which is why I Watched him) which also maid him a good choice for Doc protection (which is why I believe that the visitor has been a Doc).

6b) Mandy's vote is still with nag and he argues this still with the claim of cena.

Laziness. Cena claimed Cop. Cena pointed scum. I have been busy. I voted whom he pointed. It's Day 2. Who would fake-claim Cop on Day 2?

BTW: I am still not unvoting Nag because: a) I still believe that my guy has been the Doc, and b) there are at least two more explanation why no one died: 1) Nark might have used some special game mechanics which denied Scum their NK and 2) Scum targeted someone who is Bulletproof. Thus: pmchug, if you are Bulletproof, please say so now and we can lynch your visitor.

6c) On day 1 mandy made an analysis and gave three candidates who looked like scum: ditocoaf, dittoeve and william. He made detailed analysis for ditocoaf and dittoeve, also referred to one post of william in addition to pmchugh's analysis of william. Although there were clearer leads against william he first voted ditocoaf, than changed his vote to dittoeve, but never voted william, even after the case against william became very clear.
Mandy mentioned about william in his post, because pmchugh made already strong argument against william, however mandy never voted william.

That is because I have believed in Ditocoaf's guilt more then I have in William's. You are basicaly accusing me of not bandwagoning. Fine, I admit, I didn't bandwagon. I offered alternatives to William lynch, people prefered to lynch Wiliam and that proved to be the correct decision.

[Fircoal]

Selin is not a "new" player LV. He was playing long before you started With that said, I'll Unvote for now.

If we play by that, I can call almost all the mafia players here new.

[Fircoal]

Mandy and Selin both make good points, but Mandy, you think Nag, and Sential are both scum. For two that seem to be against each other it doesn't make much sense?