Athkatla Mafia - Talassians [mandy] WIN! (and Koesen)

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:15 pm

I have no time to reread 55 pages, but I'll postpone drastic measures until others have given their input.

If anybody else finds that quote, kindly requote it here, please

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:16 pm

Godly intervention

The avatar of mandlorian2298 descends again, though it seems slightly... different. Still, it begins to speak, if in a slightly forced manner, and delivers its message to all still alive in the town.

Mortals!

I have discovered that Sierra Leon is Tonka's Roleblocker. Helm has had fewer deaths and if we let him go much longer he will become too powerful.

I can assure anyone that if tonka's blocker is lynched he will not have enough power to take the game over at this point. with the powers that Fircoal and I will both gain from this lynch we can make sure any one of the faithful who is on the wagon will be protected from harm.

Tonka will likely have little left to defend himself because if he does not he will have no power roles left, and we can kill his last cult member tonight

--mandalorian2298

The message delivered, the avatar looks around, as if with no memory of what had happened, before crumbling once more into dust.

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:25 pm

I don't trust Mandy. Smite me, you figment of a loser's imagination!

Sierra_Leon · Post by **Sierra_Leon** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 3:04 pm

Just got back from my weekend trip and I've been reading up on what happened here. A lot happened.

I'm happy that my hunch on PCM was right! It seems that got mandy a bit upset though, and now he's accusing me of being tonka's roleblocker. I can assure you that he is lying: I'm pro-town and I have not been recruited into any cult. I don't have any more time right now, but I'll be back in a few hours and I'll say more then.

Sierra_Leon · Post by **Sierra_Leon** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:03 pm

Let me first react to the accusations on firth. XGS was a Cleric of Helm (Doctor). Cena was Chief Harper (Helmite Recruiting Mason). Both were written in green, and so are townies, just look back at the muy_thaiguy (Cowled Wizard, bulletproof townie) lynch day 1. He was also in green. That, with the claims of XGS and firth, gives me enough reason to believe that tonka's followers are pro-town.

Now onto mandy's godly message. He says:

Mortals!

I have discovered that Sierra Leon is Tonka's Roleblocker. Helm has had fewer deaths and if we let him go much longer he will become too powerful.

A few things to note here.

Firstly, he is accusing me of being a follower of tonka = a follower of helm = pro-town. So if you believe what I said before, you believe I am pro-town, but even if you would believe that mandy is telling the truth, you would still be believing I am pro-town.

Secondly, let's do a count of how many followers tonka still has left. I am assuming that all three sides started with 2 people: a leader/recruiter and a power-role. I don't think the leader and the power-role know eachother's identity. If you are wondering where I am getting this from, read these quotes:

kalishnikov wrote:...
Second, where does this "cults can only recruit one power role" come from?
...

ga7 wrote:...
Second, this is not only an assumption as it has been pretty much proven by facts, with Nes' Paladin of Lathander (Elite bodyguard) role, that there were some power roles that had a god, but weren't part of the cult itself.
...

firth4eva wrote:Thats right i am a plain old harper. just started as a mason to cena and can confirm that the cults only start with 2 members. i am currently vanilla seeing as cena is dead though.

Looking at tonka's followers, we have cena as the leader and XGS as the power-role. Cena was lynched day 2, so he could only have recruited one other member. That means firth was the one cena recruited (and his claim that he started as a mason to cena is not completely true). Cena could not have recruited anyone else, including me.

Third, if I was a helmite, would I lynch my recruiter?

Sierra_Leon (page 33) wrote:I'm leaving my vote on cena. Not because of Mandy's no-smite guarantee (I'm not sure we can really trust his word on this), but because I see no good reason to keep Tonka's cult alive. Seeing cena's role would also give us some verification on our theories on the game mechanics.

Pff, that was a lot of looking-back searching for the right quotes, but I think I found enough evidence to prove that mandy's accusation is - as ga7 put it a few pages back - "Loads of bollocks".

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:21 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:Screw this, I'm going back to the original plan.

Vote: Neutrino

Original plan?

Anyway, as for the new Divine Intervention: I really don't think we should do what Mandy says and lynch Sierra. Even if what he says is true and Sierra is a follower of Helm, then why should we lynch him? Helmites were identified as a Mason group.

Of course, maybe Sierra is another cult member and Mandy is merely screwing wiht our minds.

God I hate WIFOM istuations.

Anyone know Mandy's twisted mind better and so which option he is more inclined to choose?

LSU Tiger Josh · Post by **LSU Tiger Josh** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:28 am

This is confusing. FOS Mandy for lying to us as GT has already lost a majority of his forces, but Mandy claims that he had lost fewer.

Vote Firth I agree with Koesen as cult = bad

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:00 am

Vote count
Neut: AD (1)
Firth: Josh (1)

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:07 am

LSU Tiger Josh wrote:This is confusing. FOS Mandy for lying to us as GT has already lost a majority of his forces, but Mandy claims that he had lost fewer.

Vote Firth I agree with Koesen as cult = bad

he has lost less % because he was recruiting all that time.

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:10 am

oh and vote LSU
we all agreed this mason recruitment thing is protown

LSU Tiger Josh · Post by **LSU Tiger Josh** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:56 am

firth4eva wrote:oh and vote LSU
we all agreed this mason recruitment thing is protown

Actually no we didn't "ALL" agree and nice omgus vote.

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:32 pm

LSU Tiger Josh wrote:
firth4eva wrote:oh and vote LSU
we all agreed this mason recruitment thing is protown
Actually no we didn't "ALL" agree and nice omgus vote.

its not omgus vote. if everyone knew someone was town and you voted them so they voted you back that isnt OMGUS

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:40 pm

I'm not sure about much in this game, but I am sure that I don't trust anything mandalorian has to say...

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:15 pm

Off topic spam:

Exile, I saved you from pancake mix in the Assassin game...

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:21 pm

ouch. Still, 25 points ain't so bad.

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:36 pm

The1exile wrote:ouch. Still, 25 points ain't so bad.

True, but I gave me back my third stripe so I'm happy.

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:37 pm

Well, if you were miserable with points that don't get your a promotion, you should give up now

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:38 pm

Vote count
Neut: AD (1)
Firth: Josh (1)
Josh: Firth (1)

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:03 am

Neutrino wrote:
Anyone know Mandy's twisted mind better and so which option he is more inclined to choose?

Sierra_Leon · Post by **Sierra_Leon** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:54 am

I'm sure you have all realized that if each god started with one leader and one power-role, Mandy still has his power-role out in play. I think there's a good chance he's the one doing the night-kills. Yet LSU is pushing to lynch a known Helmite.

FOS LSU.

Syzygy · Post by **Syzygy** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:34 am

Sierra_Leon wrote:I'm sure you have all realized that if each god started with one leader and one power-role, Mandy still has his power-role out in play. I think there's a good chance he's the one doing the night-kills. Yet LSU is pushing to lynch a known Helmite.

FOS LSU.

So, you're suspecting that LSU might be Mandy's little helper?

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:51 am

Unvote

Vote: LSU

Sierra_Leon · Post by **Sierra_Leon** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:09 am

Syzygy wrote:
Sierra_Leon wrote:I'm sure you have all realized that if each god started with one leader and one power-role, Mandy still has his power-role out in play. I think there's a good chance he's the one doing the night-kills. Yet LSU is pushing to lynch a known Helmite.

FOS LSU.
So, you're suspecting that LSU might be Mandy's little helper?

There might still be three talos alive at this point. I'm suspecting LSU is one of them, but not necessarily the killer.

PCM has had four nights to recruit. Two of those are dead (kwanton and jnd), so two others might still be alive. Add the talos power-role, and that makes three.

Syzygy · Post by **Syzygy** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:21 am

Hmm... It certainly seems plausible that he is Talossian.

Unvote, Vote: LSU

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:25 am

Vote count
Neut: AD (1)
Firth: Josh (1)
Josh: Firth, Narc, Syzygy (1)

With 8 alive it takes 4 to lynch!