OK, here we go.
First of all, there's no tool or mod power that allow me to write this post switching my username color from a bolded blue to gray, so let me state clear that I'm not writing this as CC volunteer or as foundry foreman, but as a simple mapmaker, although in the same time I can't pretend that I don't have these roles on the site.
Anyway, what's happening?
If we want to explain what's going on in few words, yes, we're boycotting the process for a bit; but I think it's a reductive and not perfect explanation.
Since you were a foundry user before my time here, you probably know what are the real reasons that pushed us to do this thing, but considering I'm trying to explain the things it's better if I give an explanation for those who are new in the Foundry or frequent this forum sporadically or an not directly involved in this "action".
There are few things that needs to be made clear:
- The foundry process is not a right but a privilege, in fact nobody here pay to draw maps (you can do that also if freemium)
- The foundry process is a open community process in which the community has the final say on maps quality and playability
- The foundry process is moderated and facilitated by a group of volunteers, the CAs, who are the voice of the site. This group should push the production on the right way and should step in case a map is going in the wrong way (doing something that the site wouldn't like or approve), the group is led by the foreman, who is the Lackattack's voice and eyes when it comes to talk about maps on CC.
The above points were "defined" by lackattack and even if someone think there's a secret plan to get rid of the foundry, I can assure you all that these point are the only things that still stand.
Now, I think I've spent in the foundry most of my time on CC and probably I've seen most of the things that are happened here (unfortunately it seems I missed the best moments
), and I'm going to explain the point using my foundry-life experience.
So, the point is that even if the foundry is not a right but a privilege, when you set up a process that makes your users happy and that gives you an advantage for your site you should consider that you have to give support to that process.
But this is not a dogma, is not a fixed rules. Far from me to tell to lackattack what he has to do with his site.
But in the same time, if we go back through the years, we can see how this support for the foundry has become increasingly sporadic over the time.
A time there was a thread in which people was used to write suggestion for maps (commonly known as xml updates), in which Lack was used to give an answer and say, yes this will be done, maybe this could be done or not this can't be done. That thread has become a neverending thread that no one will look anymore, it has become a so useless thing and a so big bad signal of how things were going on in this forum that a day I decided to move it in a place where no one was able to see it anymore.
We are all aware that lackattack can't implement everything, just because we ask it...but this is not the point. The point is the lack of informations, the lack of defined plans or in the worst cases the decision to go backward on previous implementations and improvements.
The point is that most of the foundry community thinks that the current support for the foundry is not the right one, specially because it's too much time we "live" in a sort of limbo.
As said we're not asking to lackattack to give us a precise list of things, but to listen to us and give us definitive answers, to care about the true heart of Conquer Club!
People can say everything, but if you look at the CC site in depth, Conquer Club is just code and maps. Everything else can exist just because there's a coder (lackattack) and maps.
Every person with a bit of salt can understand that maps and code should be a priority because they are the basic playground on which , tournaments, clans and obviously the game itself is taken.
But in reality , over the years, things has gone in a different way, in the totally opposite way. Obviously I'm not saying that other parts of the site don't need attention, but I'm saying that if some other forums are become bigger through the year, instead the foundry has become smaller and smaller every day.
We have lost a big group of mapmakers a couple of years ago because they felt negleted. Now days i think we're going to lose teh foundry because the assumptions upon which it is based are failing. If the Foundry is a public process, you should try to make possible for the community to look at this process. If Mapmakers are shouting to you that things are wrong, you should listen to them and you shold try to find a bit of time to write a post and explain to them things.
Now you can say, you're the foreman, why you don't ask directly to Lack and you give us an answer? the answer is simple I can't, I don't know what is the plan, I don't know what is going on and in the end I have no power to change things alone.
I had some chat with lack, some PM exchange and in past were taken some decisions. I announced some of these decisions (with his approval) but those decisions in the end resulted just like broken promises. To make 2 examples, I announced 2 xml updates that never arrived more than 6 months ago, we did some test with supersize maps to hear after a while that things has to be done differently because the UI can't be changed so easily.
Yesterday I've sent a pm to lackattack to tell him what we are doing, i think that maybe I can copy paste here to tell you all what I've said to him (I've cutted some parts that are not relevant or private/sensitive info):
it's a bit difficult for me to write this pm. But I find myself in an unconfortable situation.
I know that you have many things to do and probably these are not only related with CC.
We had a chat in past in which were made some promises to me. I think that I have been patient for a very long long time, trying to keep people calm and funny.
But, unfortunately (for you) I'm not only your foundry foreman but also a mapmaker.
I think that it's not easy to fit both this roles in the same time but I do my best to do my job here in the best way.
To my eyes, be the foundry foreman is not only try to push the map production and manage the foundry but also listen and make everything is possible to "protect" the foundry community.
In the last 2 years I've seen the foundry community become smaller and smaller every day. Right now we're just a bunch of people and there's no so much we can do to change things if you don't try to promote the foundry in the proper way on the site.
For a long time i tried to wait without complain everyday, trying to be foreman first and then mapmaker.
Today, I've decided to go in the opposite way and think as mapmaker and not be the foreman....help the mapmakers and then the site.
For this reason I'm saying to you that me and a "large" (considering how much people visit the foundry) group of mapmaker have decided to stop produce maps and updates untill you will show some love for us.
Let me state clear that I'm not a backstabber, I'm not betraying you or the site....on the opposite I would pay to have the foreman role as "full time job", but I've decided with some others to put you in a corner and " force" you to take care of us.
This is not like say: "I'm a crying baby, gimme some updates or I won't draw the maps anymore!"
It's more: "You're losing your mapmakers, this would be CC without us!"
I hope you understand what we're trying to do, I hope you don't take this as a personal act against you. I hope you understand that if we're going to do this, is because we have no more way to let you know that things are wrong, really wrong in the foundry.
People want to hear your thoughts, your plans, see things come.
Obviously, since I'm a democratic person I've not forced anyone to join this "protest action", the mapmakers who want to continue to produce maps are free to do that and we (as Cas) will check them and we will help them anyway.
On the opposite, let me say clear that I won't send to you any update or new maps till, at least, a serious discussion between you, me and the mapmaking community is taken.
As said, all this is done to have a better site and not to destroy it!
I hope you understand, I'm here and want to help, but there're things that need to be done sometime.
If you want discuss I'm here
So, the point is....this thing is not boycotting the process, but show to Lack how this site would be without the foundry. Tell him to state things in a clear way, come here and give us a final answer, come here an start a discussion with the (nowdays) few people that give him at least an update for this site every month.
I think , I'm writing an endless post and probably i can write for hours without take a break considering the number of thoughts and feelings I have in my head right now.
But maybe I should stop and let the others speak a bit, wait that lackattack read this post and come here to say something.
In the past days I discussed a bit with cairnswk. He is a good and wise man, he has said a interesting thing: a discussion should take place.
Now, i think that this thread could be a place where teh discussion can take place, the important thing is that both side of the discussion come here and discuss or it will be another topic in which mapmakers talk to mapmakers and nothing happen.
Personally i think that you (lackattack) can have a CM (Andy), or a foreman (me)...but sometimes there're things you need to do alone. Lack we would like to hear your thoughts, understand if in your heart there's again some love for us and the issues are others or if this foundry decline is what we have to live with. We are all ears, just give us an answer.
Remember that we love this site, the foundry and that is precisely what led us to make this decision, even if reluctantly....broken promises are a big no no.
Nobodies and (i think/hope) the other mapmakers