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Postby koontz1973 on Sat May 12, 2012 11:57 am

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Map Name:The Greek Games of Death
Mapmaker(s):koontz1973
Number of Territories:150
Special Features:
    Very simple game play.
    Killer neutrals.
    decaying neutrals.
    multiple bonuses the same.
What Makes This Map Worthy of Being Made:After the criticism I took for Devils and Angels :( , I still want to make a fantasy map. Greek monsters are well known. ;)

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Now, will this map be allowed because of the trench option in games now?
Last edited by koontz1973 on Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:18 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: The Greek Games of Death [12/5] V1. Pg1.

Postby ViperOverLord on Sat May 12, 2012 9:42 pm

Cool. I personally like Angels and Demons more and I think you should finish it. I haven't figured out the traps yet at a first glance so perhaps that could be more clear. Also, the cursive small font is very hard on the eyes.
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Re: The Greek Games of Death [12/5] V1. Pg1.

Postby koontz1973 on Sun May 13, 2012 12:12 am

ViperOverLord wrote:Cool. I personally like Angels and Demons more and I think you should finish it.

I will, but the graphics where hard to look at. :?
I haven't figured out the traps yet at a first glance so perhaps that could be more clear.

Here is a graphic to explain them. Let me know if you have better wording for them. It should make the games a lot more interesting.
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Also, the cursive small font is very hard on the eyes.

Changed it for next version.
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Re: The Greek Games of Death [12/5] V1. Pg1.

Postby ViperOverLord on Sun May 13, 2012 1:16 am

It says you lose the game if you lose a trap and there are like 10 traps. That seems chaotic.
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Re: The Greek Games of Death [12/5] V1. Pg1.

Postby koontz1973 on Sun May 13, 2012 1:25 am

The traps have been placed so as to allow players to move freely around the board never having to touch them. What they provide is a short cut but that comes with a price.

Let me get the territ numbers on today so we can discuss the placement better. But it might be wise to remove a couple, or even add a couple more. Give me a couple of hours to get that done.
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Re: The Greek Games of Death [12/5] V1. Pg1.

Postby ViperOverLord on Sun May 13, 2012 2:18 am

koontz1973 wrote:The traps have been placed so as to allow players to move freely around the board never having to touch them. What they provide is a short cut but that comes with a price.

Let me get the territ numbers on today so we can discuss the placement better. But it might be wise to remove a couple, or even add a couple more. Give me a couple of hours to get that done.


I understand the trap technique. I like it.
But I don't think you put what you meant in the legend when you said: "trap and one side only, fall to death, lose game." Losing the entire game on losing one of many traps?
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Re: The Greek Games of Death [12/5] V1. Pg1.

Postby koontz1973 on Sun May 13, 2012 3:03 am

ViperOverLord wrote:
koontz1973 wrote:The traps have been placed so as to allow players to move freely around the board never having to touch them. What they provide is a short cut but that comes with a price.

Let me get the territ numbers on today so we can discuss the placement better. But it might be wise to remove a couple, or even add a couple more. Give me a couple of hours to get that done.


I understand the trap technique. I like it.
But I don't think you put what you meant in the legend when you said: "trap and one side only, fall to death, lose game." Losing the entire game on losing one of many traps?

Thats the thing, you do not need to use them. :P

Here is version 2 with the territ names and finished legend for now.
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Things to think about and talk about.
Placement of traps.
Should traps be a losing condition as I wanted or made into killer neutrals. Less fun but easier to understand.
Thinking of adding weapons to the game. Thoughts?
    Swords +1 auto deploy
    Arrows ranged attacks including over walls
Any other ideas along this line.

Winning condition.
This could be holding a certain amount of monsters :(
Having the centre dead warriors (H7, H8, I7, I8) being made into a escape route. Hold that to win. :)
If traps become killer neutrals, what about going down the middle ages route of lose your home territ, you die.

Lets leave neutral values for now but if you think mine are too high or low, let me know.
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Re: Greek Games [14/5] V3. Pg1.

Postby koontz1973 on Mon May 14, 2012 12:24 pm

Lets see if this gets some feedback as I want to make this one badly but without feedback, it is a non starter. :(
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Re: Greek Games [14/5] V3. Pg1.

Postby Teflon Kris on Tue May 15, 2012 1:00 am

Great concept koontz - I love it =D> =D> =D>
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Re: Greek Games [14/5] V3. Pg1.

Postby nebsmith on Tue May 15, 2012 4:19 pm

I like the Idea of the losing condition if you hold the trap and only one side, but if that turns out to be a problem then I could see the killer neutral idea working. I think the neutral should reset to a value that reflects the difficulty of getting through the trap, not sure what you would use there somewhere between 5 and 10 ?


Everything below assumes killer neutrals and win and loss conditions

If you go with the Win condition for the H7 to I8 monsters, along with killer neutral traps, I think that traps K7 and T8 should have larger neutrals on as they are a quick route to the centre from the middle starting positions.

How about having the Minotaur at the centre - to be killed to win - and replacing the minotaur squares you have now with the auto-deploy weapons.

I also think the middle ages route would work with the killer neutrals, The starting positions are one territory further away than in in the Middle Ages map, so it should work with the right neutral values.

One question - is the +3 for the monsters +3 for each territory or +3 for all four territories ?

Assuming it is +3 for each of the 4
I am wondering if +3 for each of the 4 held would be too much if all 4 are taken and could also lead to the fight over control of them being too important for the survival of the 2 nearby starting positions.


Maybe there should be a barrier between C2 & C3 or C3/D3 & C2/D2 and the same for all the monsters near the start points - it would also move the starting points a couple more territories apart.

The middle starting points access to the centre monsters looks a bit unbalanced, for example, A10 would have to go through a trap and A 5 wouldn't. Maybe make D6 and M9 traps.
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Re: Greek Games [14/5] V3. Pg1.

Postby chapcrap on Thu May 17, 2012 11:26 am

The 4 central starting locations are further away from the Dead Warriors, giving them a disadvantage. If the terts are to stay the same, then more neutral troops should be added between the corner starting positions and the Dead Warriors.

I like the losing conditions. Probably needs worded more clearly.

Could a win condition be added of 3/4 Dead Warriors and Medusa?

I think archers and swords are a good idea... Especially archers. Something long range would be good.

I think I'd like this map once it was finished.
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Re: Greek Games [14/5] V3. Pg1.

Postby koontz1973 on Thu May 17, 2012 11:48 am

Thanks guys, this is what I am doing for the next update (to come over the weekend).

The central dead warriors are becoming another character which will be a win condition.
The traps are being split into two different types. Killer neutrals and losing condition.
Spears will become a long range attack.
Swords will be a +1 auto deploy.

I could move J1 to K1 and E16 to D16. This would mean that, even though the distance between starting positions and dead warriors would still be different, it would still allow for some difference in GP style.

Will make the rules more clear.
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Re: Greek Games [14/5] V3. Pg1.

Postby chapcrap on Thu May 17, 2012 12:29 pm

Will you make 12 starting positions? I want to have a map available if 12 player games begin to be allowed. :)
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Re: Greek Games [14/5] V3. Pg1.

Postby cairnswk on Thu May 17, 2012 12:34 pm

chapcrap wrote:Will you make 12 starting positions? I want to have a map available if 12 player games begin to be allowed. :)

off topic...Spanish Armada will also have scope for 12 players
back on topic. :)
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Re: Greek Games [14/5] V3. Pg1.

Postby koontz1973 on Thu May 17, 2012 12:43 pm

I do not think so for this one, but if it makes it through, a second level can be created with the extra positions. Always liked the way DoD L1 cried out or a second level. I see no reason to do it now just for the sake of something that might come about.

As cairnswk says though, maps are being made for this. ;)
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