INTO THE DEEP (COMPLETE - Mafia Win !!)

[Skoffin]

OMG

Favourite food is a specific type of food you must find to unlock whatever bonus action or credits you get. If you find food that isn't your favourite then you get SHIT

"omg how come mafia haven't killed two nights in a row I don't understaaand" but let's just ignore my goddamn claim that I was attacked N1 which is a pretty damn good explanation of where at least 1 missing action went.. Okay whatever

"I CC this dude, he's lying lynch him" - Hey let's all do nothing with that.
Someone kill me so I can leave this game.

[TX AG 90]

I earlier said I thought there was likely a SK and a mafia team, but now I'm starting to wonder if there are multiple smaller teams or multiple individuals working alone. Either way I am 100% certain there are at least 2 non-town sides that are not 'together', and for the rest of the game I will be treating it as fact.

The Day 1 narrative supports this:

"First they came from the deep, violent and bloody"

"then others start appearing from the surface during the early morning sunrise"

[Pikanchion]

"I CC this dude, he's lying lynch him" - Hey let's all do nothing with that.
Someone kill me so I can leave this game.

If you're counter-claiming make a claim.

[TX AG 90]

OMG

Favourite food is a specific type of food you must find to unlock whatever bonus action or credits you get. If you find food that isn't your favourite then you get SHIT

"omg how come mafia haven't killed two nights in a row I don't understaaand" but let's just ignore my goddamn claim that I was attacked N1 which is a pretty damn good explanation of where at least 1 missing action went.. Okay whatever

"I CC this dude, he's lying lynch him" - Hey let's all do nothing with that.
Someone kill me so I can leave this game.

My point is, it seems you just say "Raz, tonight, I'm going after my favorite food" He then rolls the dice to determine your success or not.

I don't think you say "Raz, I believe Player XYZ is my favorite food and I'm going after him"

Ragian, you have done it twice. Does the actual "favorite" part part play into the mechanics?

[blacky365]

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@Blacky, did you bump into something and then get a message that something didn't feel good or something similar? (Because I did.)

FP'ed by TX

No, I dont think i bumped in to anything, i was swimming and i felt a pain on my side

[TX AG 90]

OMG

"I CC this dude, he's lying lynch him" - Hey let's all do nothing with that.
Someone kill me so I can leave this game.

What are you referring to? I can't operate a Forum search to save my life.

[Ragian]

Ragian, you have done it twice. Does the actual "favorite" part part play into the mechanics?

I have no clue...

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@Blacky, did you bump into something and then get a message that something didn't feel good or something similar? (Because I did.)

FP'ed by TX

No, I dont think i bumped in to anything, i was swimming and i felt a pain on my side

I need you to check your result from N1. I bumped into something and it didn't feel good.

[strike wolf]

I have been suspicious of several folks for some time. Ragian is one of them. I was wrong to target pershy on Day 1, although he was playing different from all my past experience. Now I see Ragian more defensive than ever before. Not proof of anything, just an observation.

However, two possible slips have attracted my attention. First, is the following exchange:
Pikanchion wrote:
What is your favourite food Ragian?
I don't know. It disappears into the darkness... Do you know what your favourite food is?

But on page 1 the mod says:
At anytime, anyone can waive their night action and attempt to find their favorite food.
IF you find your favorite food you have a:

30% Chance of eating it and gaining 200 CREDITS plus one extra UNIQUE night action, to be used during the next night.
50% Chance of missing your prey and looking like a fool (All will know you went for it)
20% Chance of becoming a night kill

Success will reward you FAILURE MAY MEAN DEATH. *Can only be won once, attempted many times


I was told what my favourite food was in my ROLE PM at the beginning of the game. I assume everyone has? Please let us know whether you know or not, without revealing what it is. Mine is "any colorful fish" which matches the large eyes and good eyesight of a squid. Why doesn't RAGIAN know his favorite food???

Second, Ragian has said he found his favorite food, but then it disappears. As stated by the mod above, the results, unequivocally yield "eat", "get laughed at", or "die". Plus, Ragian is a very good player, and he would not be foolish enough to go after his favorite prey two nights in a row with only a 30% chance of success. I fear our dear Danish teacher is lying. Until I hear convincing evidence otherwise.....

UNVOTE
VOTE RAGIAN

Stop skimming. He answered this.

I'm with Mets on the asking him why he visited Raglan being fishing. I'm still not 100% decided that I'm not voting met s today though I admit Dakky is starting to look like The more tempting option If for no other reason his play doesn't seem to advance town and the attempts to explain the game based on bastard kmodding are more distracting than helpful.

I believe Raglan is the poisoner and I believe this in part because I think I know of a player who visited him Night 1 (I said this earlier but I'll repeat myself since it seems to have gotten buried and unnoticed. My night 1 action came back as successful. However what I didn't consider at the time is that it could have been that way because of healing a poisoned person [after all I had little reason to think 2 people were poisoned and Blacky came forward as having been poisoned]. Furthermore, my night 2 result suggests that Blacky wasn't the first person I healed of poison.) But I also believe this because I don't see an advantage in Rage fake claiming that when he did if he was lying. Ragians actual alignment is questionable but I believe he's telling the truth about his role so for now I don't think he's a good lynch target. 2 poisoners does seem weird but at this point, can we really trust anything JFM said?

Really would like Aage and Blacky to speak up more but I get with the formers case, he's probably just super busy.

How could you heal someone N1 the same night they were poisoned AND do an additional night action? That makes no sense. Let me know if I'm reading your statement wrong.

Only one action per night. I visited someone night 1 who I now assume visited rage n1 (if im right, you know who you are). On night 2, I elected to heal Blacky from the poisoning.

Feel better soon, Blacky.

Raglan or Dakky are probably the best candidates to lynch today. As Raglan role works and Dakkys chosen to play his role if telling the truth, they're both pretty useless to town at night. Ragian is even a potentially negative role to have at night. However given Dakkys behavior, I trust Ragian to be more useful if townsided going forward. That with Skoffi n counter claiming (Though I do ask you to be more specific Skoffin If you're gonna counter claim), I'm leaning Dakky as the choice for today.

Also someone stated that Skoffi n should claim what her role originally said. Unless this role is likely to be mafia sided, I feel Skoffi n should hold onto this information. It could be a useful tool end of game.

I agree with others that Sirius has about worn out the passive excuse of being newbie with his play but there are better cases on the table.

[Ragian]

But skoffin hasn't counterclaimed as she says she has. She has said that she is counterclaiming, but she has not claimed. I'm confident that claiming is a big part of counterclaiming. Like 50% or something if you just go by letters alone. If there was an actual counterclaim with which to catch scum, I'd be voting like a hillbilly at a Trump rally or a hippie at a Bernie rally (hopefully, I'm annoying both sides of the American spectre there).

[dakky21]

Someone kill me so I can leave this game.

First you supported me and said I know something which only town can know.
Then you voted me for whatever and tried to counter claim me without saying your counter claim.
Then you said you want to get killed so you can leave this game.

This last is what I meant to write already, so the question is... are you reading my mind?

[Sirius Kase]

I think we are spending a lot of time on the wording of "favorite" food. It was my assumption that was something to add flavor to the game, but not necessarily part of the mechanics.

I thought the mechanics were just the percentages that tobi reposted. I don't think WHAT your favorite food actually is has anything to do with game play (but I could be 100% wrong).

Why have flavor if it's completely meaningless? Maybe it is, but I wouldn't rule it out. Your favorite food might not matter to you, but my favorite food might matter if it's you. I don't think it is, it's just an example.

[chapcrap]

My night 1 action came back as successful. However what I didn't consider at the time is that it could have been that way because of healing a poisoned person [after all I had little reason to think 2 people were poisoned and Blacky came forward as having been poisoned]. Furthermore, my night 2 result suggests that Blacky wasn't the first person I healed of poison.)

This changes a lot for me. A LOT. That could explain away my whole notion of Mets lying and Ragian lying and everything...

I agree, the passive poisoner is at least 3rd party. Wouldn't having 2 town poisoners (jfm and passive), be overkill?

I'm also pretty sure there is a scum poison healer. How else would they be able to counter a poisoning from jfm?

Someone needs to point to the irrefutable evidence of jmf being a poisoner. He was just a vig for all I can understand.

Already did that... before your trip. viewtopic.php?f=213&t=229849&start=950#p5093489

Not irrefutable evidence. Jmf was a town vig. That's all we know about him.

*eyeroll*

He said he was a poisoner when he had no more incentive (as if he had any initially) to lie about it.

even if Ragian is telling the truth, he's most likely not town. He's a third party. He already stated how a passive poisoner was not helpful to town. He decided to go ahead and claim because Mets said that he would reveal the information. If that's the case, then my main logic against Mets is flawed.

My suggestion is that we lynch Ragian (as a non-townie). If it turns out he is not the passive poisoner, then great, we lynched a mafia role. If it turns out he is the passive poisoner, then great, we got rid of someone who isn't town and SW can decide whether or not Mets should be healed of the poisoning.

Based on what am I non-town? Don't give me that crap with me jumping in when everyone else says that I waited too long. Also, you can't lynch me as non-town. You can lynch me, however. So, let me ask you this: What do you accomplish by lynching me? Do you think I have played anti-town so far? Do you think that lynching me will help town win the game?

It seemed to me like you had previously said you were third party/scum. In addition, it doesn't seem to me that a poisoner who poisons anyone would be town. Just poisons everyone who visits. How does that not sound like a third party to you? To answer, I have had mixed feelings on you. I think we need more town than scum. Feeling as though you are third party means that, likely, you are counted as scum.

"I CC this dude, he's lying lynch him" - Hey let's all do nothing with that.
Someone kill me so I can leave this game.

First, it's been like 2 seconds. So simmer.

Second, you barely counter claimed. In fact, you sort of counter claimed. Why would we believe you?

But skoffin hasn't counterclaimed as she says she has. She has said that she is counterclaiming, but she has not claimed. I'm confident that claiming is a big part of counterclaiming. Like 50% or something if you just go by letters alone. If there was an actual counterclaim with which to catch scum, I'd be voting like a hillbilly at a Trump rally or a hippie at a Bernie rally (hopefully, I'm annoying both sides of the American spectre there).

Strike wolf, do you have a problem saying who you targeted on N1? If it was successful, then who you targeted could give us some clues... Although, if you do want to, I think that blacky should say something first. What is the reason for not saying who you targeted on N1?

[Pikanchion]

Not irrefutable evidence. Jmf was a town vig. That's all we know about him.

He said he was a poisoner when he had no more incentive (as if he had any initially) to lie about it.

jfm10 also posted the following well after the hammer was dropped:

I really hope that the doctor helped you blacky because you are the only confirmed townie so far.

blacky365 being poisoned by jfm10 and blacky365 being confirmed Town because of the poisoning are directly contradictory statements. None of what jfm10 said at any point can be trusted, even post-lynch.

[chapcrap]

Not irrefutable evidence. Jmf was a town vig. That's all we know about him.

He said he was a poisoner when he had no more incentive (as if he had any initially) to lie about it.

jfm10 also posted the following well after the hammer was dropped:

I really hope that the doctor helped you blacky because you are the only confirmed townie so far.

blacky365 being poisoned by jfm10 and blacky365 being confirmed Town because of the poisoning are directly contradictory statements. None of what jfm10 said at any point can be trusted, even post-lynch.

I think he was confused on the game mechanics of that. Unless he also got to find out the affiliation when he poisoned, which I doubt. He would have known the affiliation if he was still alive though, because he got credits for a saved townie. Regardless, I don't disagree that there is a probability that his words should be discarded. But, I felt like saying that he was a poisoner is not open for interpretation by him. He even said how he benefited from the poisoning and healing of a townie.

[Metsfanmax]

@Pika - I kinda see your point but I suspect Mets and I need to engage with him.
The basis of the game is to talk about reads and discuss reasons peoole give for their reads.
The circumstances of the game triggered his partial claim not any push of mine.
And SW or whoever needs to know if mets is even worth saving or we just test him by leaving him be and seeing if he dies.

Which could also confirm ragian.

As you said, the game circumstances triggered me admitting to who I targeted last night. That's all they triggered. (Just imagine a scenario in which I hadn't been poisoned, and then you asking me for the reason for my night action target.) I could just as easily turn the tables and demand that you admit who you targeted last night and why? No one inherently has a right to this information and this type of information is only given out when there's a specific reason for it, which there was for the target of my action (to ensure that everyone understands that I targeted the passive poisoner). There is no similarly specific reason for why I did it or what I did at this time.

Yes, it's true that sw or other healers have to decide whether to save me tonight. However until Ragian's alignment is definitely known, my read on him is very weak evidence either way. (If I had clear investigative evidence that he was scum, obviously I would have stated it already.)

[TX AG 90]

I think we are spending a lot of time on the wording of "favorite" food. It was my assumption that was something to add flavor to the game, but not necessarily part of the mechanics.

I thought the mechanics were just the percentages that tobi reposted. I don't think WHAT your favorite food actually is has anything to do with game play (but I could be 100% wrong).

Why have flavor if it's completely meaningless? Maybe it is, but I wouldn't rule it out. Your favorite food might not matter to you, but my favorite food might matter if it's you. I don't think it is, it's just an example.

Ragian went for food when he didn't even know he had a favorite food. I'm not sure what role the favorite food plays into it. Flavor is to add narrative to a game so that it's not the same every time; not necessarily to change-up game mechanics.

[chapcrap]

Looking back, I saw a couple of people talk about the reason that Ragian claimed. He felt like he was about to get outed by Mets and/or blacky, so he might as well claim. Obviously.

Blacky, you obviously don't want to say who you visited on N1. I'm unsure why. Can you just say whether or not it was Ragian?

Also, thinking about the possibilities, it's possible that scum didn't get a night kill because they targeted Ragian... That's a good thing for town and if a bus driver had a read on who was scum, they could bus that person into Ragian every night.

[Skoffin]

Booooo

I'm CC-ing the part where he says he can ambush people and investigate them. It sounds waaaay too similar to my role. I can use an action that allows me to essentially self-defend and bite someone if they come for me, learning what they are (but not who they are). I was attacked by a shark and it's how I know I was attacked N1.

Our method of investigating flavour seems far too similar to be true and it would make 1 too many investigators in this game IMO

[dakky21]

So you're counter-claiming by saying you were attacked by a shark but you do not know their species or their name?

I (or anyone) could say the same sh*t and where are we then?

OMGUS vote incoming...

[dakky21]

BTW Skoffin you said I knew something which made me town, mind to share what was that? I mean I am not rolefishing but you said so... and if our roles interweb (as mod said) then why are you so sure I am scum now and before you were so sure I am town?

[Metsfanmax]

So you're counter-claiming by saying you were attacked by a shark but you do not know their species or their name?

I (or anyone) could say the same sh*t and where are we then?

OMGUS vote incoming...

That's a blatant mischaracterization of her position, which is obviously that you have very similar claimed roles. The claim about the result of her N1 role is entirely irrelevant from the perspective of counter-claiming you.

[dakky21]

Blatant or not, anyone can say they were visited by a shark, I don't even remember who said something about sharks.. Pershy or jfm? Anyway anyone can make such a statement and we don't know if there are sharks in the game. Don't trust anyone in this particular game as it is lol anyway.

[Skoffin]

Calm down you turnip, it was a great white.

[Skoffin]

Amending my statement, double checking it was a bull shark. Sorry not sorry

[Ragian]

even if Ragian is telling the truth, he's most likely not town. He's a third party. He already stated how a passive poisoner was not helpful to town. He decided to go ahead and claim because Mets said that he would reveal the information. If that's the case, then my main logic against Mets is flawed.

My suggestion is that we lynch Ragian (as a non-townie). If it turns out he is not the passive poisoner, then great, we lynched a mafia role. If it turns out he is the passive poisoner, then great, we got rid of someone who isn't town and SW can decide whether or not Mets should be healed of the poisoning.

Based on what am I non-town? Don't give me that crap with me jumping in when everyone else says that I waited too long. Also, you can't lynch me as non-town. You can lynch me, however. So, let me ask you this: What do you accomplish by lynching me? Do you think I have played anti-town so far? Do you think that lynching me will help town win the game?

It seemed to me like you had previously said you were third party/scum. In addition, it doesn't seem to me that a poisoner who poisons anyone would be town. Just poisons everyone who visits. How does that not sound like a third party to you? To answer, I have had mixed feelings on you. I think we need more town than scum. Feeling as though you are third party means that, likely, you are counted as scum.

Sheesh... Have you ever heard of a PGO. You know, the role that several players in here have mentioned a fair few times? It's a town role. Mine is a town role only weaker than a GPO.

Looking back, I saw a couple of people talk about the reason that Ragian claimed. He felt like he was about to get outed by Mets and/or blacky, so he might as well claim. Obviously.

Wrong.