The Tick Mafia - JUSTICE PREVAILS!

[Extreme Ways]

The game 100% doesnt end if we lynch the evil twin, unless the evil twin is not 3P but mafia. I'm also not convinced of the executioner -> jester timeline, or that the game ends when the good twin is lynched.

I find it way more likely for their wincons to be:
"Be alive when your twin dies".

And yes, Sonic. I dont trust you at all still. You haven't answered my question on how you feel to be voting alongside Loose either. Loose isn't the evil twin, and suddenly that cleared him of all your suspicions? He can still be mafia, and then you're voting with mafia.

[Extreme Ways]

More posting, because this one deservers a followup of itself:

So i expect (for the rest of D2) it would make sense for mafia to not lynch the Executioner's target (The Tick). Because then mafia loses. So maffia would strongly be against lynching The Tick 100%. And since we don't know who The Tick is for sure, and who his evil clone is, mafia can't risk lynching either one of them either untill they find out. So they will say "we will deal with the matter later "
So the Predicted mafia play for the rest of the day would be: "Don't waste energy trying to find out (finding out who is the evil on is; Raz or Ragian), because we will find out and deal with them tonight way more easy".. For now let's frame a townie to get lynched instead. And that is exactly what Pix an EW are telling us to do now. Both pointing at me (as expected)

So i expect (for the rest of D2) it would make sense for town to not lynch the Executioner's target (The Tick). Because then town loses. So town would strongly be against lynching The Tick 100%. And since we don't know who The Tick is for sure, and who his evil clone is, town can't risk lynching either one of them either untill they find out. So they will say "we will deal with the matter later "
So the Predicted mafia play for the rest of the day would be: "Don't waste energy trying to find out (finding out who is the evil on is; Raz or Ragian), because we will find out and deal with them in the future way more easy".. For now let's frame a scum to get lynched instead. And that is exactly what Pix an EW are telling us to do now. Both pointing at me (as expected).

Here, I changed some words and it still makes sense according to the remainder of your post. You claim the game ends when the wrong one is lynched, so town doesnt want to lynch either.

PS: you're also voting alongside Pix atm. Voting alongside Pix and Loose.

[SoN!c]

The game 100% doesnt end if we lynch the evil twin, unless the evil twin is not 3P but mafia. I'm also not convinced of the executioner -> jester timeline, or that the game ends when the good twin is lynched.

I find it way more likely for their wincons to be:
"Be alive when your twin dies".

And yes, Sonic. I dont trust you at all still. You haven't answered my question on how you feel to be voting alongside Loose either. Loose isn't the evil twin, and suddenly that cleared him of all your suspicions? He can still be mafia, and then you're voting with mafia.

I think i found out who he is just like i think i found out who the twins are - both the characters "The Tick" and "The Tick Clone" as the slotted players Raz and Ragian..

And Loose confirmed it a way bit later. So that seams another solid lead. A well-founded suspicion on his identity. But yes i can't be 100% sure that his "confirmation" is true. But at least im searching while you play like the GF. And framing a townie to get lynched would be the expected mafia play for today. After all mafia knows mafia so it's always a few against one as the mafia stand together. Because they know who they can trust. Town does not.

If i was mafia who is standing by me? Backing me? Like you and Pix are doing? Im still 100% sure Doc got murdered because Doc said "Pix or Loose" are his mafia suspects.

I think you chose to defend Loose so hard just to draw attention away from Pix. Evil good mafia play from the very experienced and smart player you are. Defending Loose so hard above the surface but actually your defending Pix behind it. Playing like the grand puppeteer pulling the strings like your doing now.

Yes, In the beginning i was thinking "Loose Goose*" (Not a typo)

Why do you think i made so many post like "Pushing Loose Buttons" or "Loose Lips don"t live long in the mafia" etc....?

The Goose is the embodiment of chaos. The Goose's sole purpose in life is to torture the living. There are no emotions in the Goose, only the desire to Goose. So to find that you fight fire with fire. Chaos with Chaos.

I got to pressure Loose a few times, then he said something smelly weird but everytime you came to his defence so quickly and so good. I could never dig deeper. And i wondered why. You had to have an ulterior motive in the defense of Loose. It was not making any other sense. The ulterior motive was : You were defending Pixar, not Loose.

But even with your perfect defense, not once did Loose follow it. If you were both mafia Loose would just had to stick to (or confirm to) one of your elaborate defenses stories on him and nobody would have dug any deeper.

But Loose never did so i don't see the "mafia communication between Loose and fellow maffia scum". And after this time im sure Loose has no comms with mafia.

So i started to doubt Loose is scum and i went from "scum suspect" to 3rd party with special ability. Lastly i now have the same idea on Loose as Charle has.

And i know by now Charle can be trusted 100%

[strike wolf]

Work slow, found time to read through.

Yea. I think the theory that Raz is the *actual* Tick and third party has some pretty big holes. The Tick is not just a super hero. He is the city's greatest superhero, protecting it and its citizens. *Citizens* like Dr. Mung Mung. So there's no reason I see to have a hero be a separate alignment. Raz could be town trying to act like third party to deflect attention from himself but that isn't much more likely than scum pretending to be 3rd party. The only way I could see The Tick being third party is if all superheros in this game were third party which for multiple reasons I find unlikely.
If it was a case where one of them is The Tick and the other is the Imposter than the Imposter is more likely to be 3rd party. Any Tick Imposter would be either third party or actively anti-town. As someone who has seen the show, Son!c should know all of this. I think he realized this and then tried to Wildly craft a theory of how multiple heroes could be "good aligned 3rd party" and conveniently left it to frame his usual suspects. Son!c has done multiple things that are scummy. Like pre-emptively shutting down contrary discussion on why Charle was killed by stating that anyone who disagrees with his theory is scum trying to deflect from the truth. Day 1, he tried to delegitimize experienced players by casting shade on them as a whole. Why? Maybe because experienced players in general are going to be more likely to spot his bullshit and if he can get the rest of town to distrust them then he can act more freely. Son!c is not the cop. Son!c the cop would have almost certainly investigated either Loose or Pixar and a cop with a guilty result on either might tunnel like he did but he would not suddenly switch and start believing his guilty target. A cop with an innocent result on Loose or Pix would not continue to press them both as scum. Therefore, I do not believe Son!c is cop. His tunneling could just be a sign of his experience but the sudden 180 and change in target still does not make sense. Except that he was starting to get called oit gor tunneling Loose. So he shifted targets.

Vote Son!c

[strike wolf]

"Mafia would act this way! Look at me, town! I'm not acting that way. Therefore I'm one of you! Ignore all the other shady stuff I do and trust me!"

-Son!c probably.

[Extreme Ways]

Quick question: why is everyone and their mother stating that they know who swang is, but none of them are saying who swang is? Is it like ***** club?

Sonic, your voting patterns and play are irrational. Strike has also outlined why a scum EW would defend a town Loose to get easy brownie points if he eventually got lynched (which seems likelier and likelier), but as you may have noticed I have since shifted perspectives: the player in Loose is not to be trusted because he does not act with Town and actively disrupts Town.

I'm not even that fond of swang, he's just very neutral to me. Convince us of the reason why swang is scum, and why you know what his identity is. Then I might trust you. I'm not going to make this a "swang & EW vs Sonic & loose", I just want to know the why so I can consider the reasons you're voting him rather than throwing a dart at the player list. Swang is a relatively easy pick to push on if you dont count inactives, too.

You're not addressing my satire of "scum would do this" vs "town would do this". I guess you explained why you trust loose by virtue of not trusting me, but you still haven't gone into why you're voting alongside Pix - supposedly my scumbuddy. I'm down to pivot from Raz to Sonic to answer the above and to actually explain why you're voting swang other than "loose figured it out, charle figured it out, and I figured it out".
Vote Sonic

[SoN!c]

"Mafia would act this way! Look at me, town! I'm not acting that way. Therefore I'm one of you! Ignore all the other shady stuff I do and trust me!"

-Son!c probably.

For the record i never seen any The Tick show until this game and this also my first mafia game ever.

I've been reading both a lot mafiabot.fandom and tickipedia.

Also - as expected - it would be another mafia thug that would throw the first stone. Pix and EW could not do that but i expect them to follow very rapidly.

[SoN!c]

Fastposted already by Extreme lol

[Loose Canon]

Another Price Change!

Now any takers just have to wager 750 CCC vs my 500 that Swang turns out to be scum.

Surely this is getting to the point of irresistible to some of you Swang supporters out there?
- or is he starting to appear like that horse that looks to have overheated in the run up to the post?

[Extreme Ways]

Another Price Change!

Now any takers just have to wager 750 CCC vs my 500 that Swang turns out to be scum.

Surely this is getting to the point of irresistible to some of you Swang supporters out there?
- or is he starting to appear like that horse that looks to have overheated in the run up to the post?

While you're here:

Quick question: why is everyone and their mother stating that they know who swang is, but none of them are saying who swang is? Is it like ***** club?

I'm also not interested in sidegames or bets. I'm playing mafia, not poker.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Look guys it's so obvious. And since im town and town's greatest asset is to share information im gonna say it:

Raz is the main hero. He is The Tick. The dopplegänger is his evil green slimy clone from the show "The Tick vs The Tick"

This is a quote that has been going around in my head.
Why would SoN!c claim he is town greatest asset - If it was true then we can expect him to be killed at night - But Most likely its just a way to try convince people to trust him.
I was the frist to said I don't buy the Sonic shift towards Loose and would like a better explanation from his behavior and words. As he is still very fishy

Also I still don't believe Raz entirely, even less than he is the tick. He did say he was town, just in another words, he was suspicus al the time and all of a sudden people try to get us to believe he is the Tick and 3rd party

You might think is sketchy, but thats all I got at this stage.. and I am now suspecting that others have objectives too.

It would be bad for town because if I am gone their numbers will be 1 less

[/quote]

Unless Raz explicity says who his twin is and all he knows or says what he can say and what he cannot say and a real reason I don't see a problem in lynching a third party.

[strike wolf]

"Mafia would act this way! Look at me, town! I'm not acting that way. Therefore I'm one of you! Ignore all the other shady stuff I do and trust me!"

-Son!c probably.

For the record i never seen any The Tick show until this game and this also my first mafia game ever.

I've been reading both a lot mafiabot.fandom and tickipedia.

Also - as expected - it would be another mafia thug that would throw the first stone. Pix and EW could not do that but i expect them to follow very rapidly.

Sure. You've labeled pretty much everyone who disagrees with you as scum at some point. So not surprised you'd fall back on that defense now.

So half your defense now is that you've only watched the show once and I guess implying that you aren't really that experienced with it. Convenient. Also bullshit excuse that just points out more of the discrepancy when you look elsewhere in your posts and we can see you clearly trying to represent yourself as an expert. So another part of your defense is basically you're new to mafia. Yet you know enough about it to claim that scum will try to act in certain ways which means you know enough to try to avoid those ways as scum.

[SoN!c]

"Mafia would act this way! Look at me, town! I'm not acting that way. Therefore I'm one of you! Ignore all the other shady stuff I do and trust me!"

-Son!c probably.

For the record i never seen any The Tick show until this game and this also my first mafia game ever.

I've been reading both a lot mafiabot.fandom and tickipedia.

Also - as expected - it would be another mafia thug that would throw the first stone. Pix and EW could not do that but i expect them to follow very rapidly.

Sure. You've labeled pretty much everyone who disagrees with you as scum at some point. So not surprised you'd fall back on that defense now.

So half your defense now is that you've only watched the show once and I guess implying that you aren't really that experienced with it. Convenient. Also bullshit excuse that just points out more of the discrepancy when you look elsewhere in your posts and we can see you clearly trying to represent yourself as an expert. So another part of your defense is basically you're new to mafia. Yet you know enough about it to claim that scum will try to act in certain ways which means you know enough to try to avoid those ways as scum.

No im saying the maffia works together and i stand alone because town does not know who the other townies are.

Speaking about "to claim"

I'd say trading a townie for a scum on D2 and finding a scummie would be a devastating blow to mafia, one so big they probably would not be able to recover from.

If EW is so sure im scum then he would gladly trade his town identity for my scum one.

So let's do it.

PS: 100% sure EW won't take it, not in a million years because mafia already knows who the other mafia members are. And they know im not one of them. Proof me wrong.

[PepeAtila]

Pepe, he specifically mentioned that he NEVER claimed to be town, but it will be disadvantageous for town if he is killed. So what else can he be? Cannot be scum, because it is good for town when he is killed. I actually believe him.

The most important thing is that we should focus on what we believe are actual facts, such as what I think we got from Loose, and the speculation around Raz can be done later.

Yes, sorry, as sonic explained to me I was misreading 'at no time' thinking it was 'in no time'.

[Extreme Ways]

No im saying the maffia works together and i stand alone because town does not know who the other townies are.

Speaking about "to claim"

I'd say trading a townie for a scum on D2 and finding a scummie would be a devastating blow to mafia, one so big they probably would not be able to recover from.

If EW is so sure im scum then he would gladly trade his town identity for my scum one.

So let's do it.

PS: 100% sure EW won't take it, not in a million years because mafia already knows who the other mafia members are. And they know im not one of them. Proof me wrong.

I'm not claiming a role just because someone asks me lmao. This sounds like you think you're a sinking ship, and are trying to help your scummates by checking whether it's me or strike who needs to be killed. If you want heat off of you, you need to address the issues raised rather than selectively respond to minor things and ignoring everything else. We're giving you chances to do so, I had you as 3P instead of scum but it's like you dig your hole under the slightest pressure,

[SoN!c]

Look guys it's so obvious. And since im town and town's greatest asset is to share information im gonna say it:

Raz is the main hero. He is The Tick. The dopplegänger is his evil green slimy clone from the show "The Tick vs The Tick"

This is a quote that has been going around in my head.
Why would SoN!c claim he is town greatest asset - If it was true then we can expect him to be killed at night - But Most likely its just a way to try convince people to trust him.
I was the frist to said I don't buy the Sonic shift towards Loose and would like a better explanation from his behavior and words. As he is still very fishy

Also I still don't believe Raz entirely, even less than he is the tick. He did say he was town, just in another words, he was suspicus al the time and all of a sudden people try to get us to believe he is the Tick and 3rd party

You might think is sketchy, but thats all I got at this stage.. and I am now suspecting that others have objectives too.

It would be bad for town because if I am gone their numbers will be 1 less

Unless Raz explicity says who his twin is and all he knows or says what he can say and what he cannot say and a real reason I don't see a problem in lynching a third party.[/quote]

Oh boy, just read what it says Traf. Like your Layer (liar) stunt, it was Lawyer "advocate" and here it says "town's greatest asset is to share information". Not what you make of it

[SoN!c]

No im saying the maffia works together and i stand alone because town does not know who the other townies are.

Speaking about "to claim"

I'd say trading a townie for a scum on D2 and finding a scummie would be a devastating blow to mafia, one so big they probably would not be able to recover from.

If EW is so sure im scum then he would gladly trade his town identity for my scum one.

So let's do it.

PS: 100% sure EW won't take it, not in a million years because mafia already knows who the other mafia members are. And they know im not one of them. Proof me wrong.

I'm not claiming a role just because someone asks me lmao. This sounds like you think you're a sinking ship, and are trying to help your scummates by checking whether it's me or strike who needs to be killed. If you want heat off of you, you need to address the issues raised rather than selectively respond to minor things and ignoring everything else. We're giving you chances to do so, I had you as 3P instead of scum but it's like you dig your hole under the slightest pressure,

Again as expected (predicted)

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Look guys it's so obvious. And since im town and town's greatest asset is to share information im gonna say it:

Raz is the main hero. He is The Tick. The dopplegänger is his evil green slimy clone from the show "The Tick vs The Tick"

This is a quote that has been going around in my head.
Why would SoN!c claim he is town greatest asset - If it was true then we can expect him to be killed at night - But Most likely its just a way to try convince people to trust him.
I was the frist to said I don't buy the Sonic shift towards Loose and would like a better explanation from his behavior and words. As he is still very fishy

Also I still don't believe Raz entirely, even less than he is the tick. He did say he was town, just in another words, he was suspicus al the time and all of a sudden people try to get us to believe he is the Tick and 3rd party

You might think is sketchy, but thats all I got at this stage.. and I am now suspecting that others have objectives too.

It would be bad for town because if I am gone their numbers will be 1 less

Unless Raz explicity says who his twin is and all he knows or says what he can say and what he cannot say and a real reason I don't see a problem in lynching a third party.

Oh boy, just read what it says Traf. Like your Layer (liar) stunt, it was Lawyer "advocate" and here it says "town's greatest asset is to share information". Not what you make of it[/quote]

You are right about that. I missread. Not in the lawyer thing it was just a typo.

But you have been saying you are a Supersonic Hero. And trying to get lynch going cause things are 'so obviously clear', and that you on your own have figured many things'. But then u come with a 'I am new at this and barely seen any of the show', and then come with a claim trade, that we have stated many times why it does not help town. U are not doing yourself any favor.

[SoN!c]

Look guys it's so obvious. And since im town and town's greatest asset is to share information im gonna say it:

Raz is the main hero. He is The Tick. The dopplegänger is his evil green slimy clone from the show "The Tick vs The Tick"

This is a quote that has been going around in my head.
Why would SoN!c claim he is town greatest asset - If it was true then we can expect him to be killed at night - But Most likely its just a way to try convince people to trust him.
I was the frist to said I don't buy the Sonic shift towards Loose and would like a better explanation from his behavior and words. As he is still very fishy

Also I still don't believe Raz entirely, even less than he is the tick. He did say he was town, just in another words, he was suspicus al the time and all of a sudden people try to get us to believe he is the Tick and 3rd party

You might think is sketchy, but thats all I got at this stage.. and I am now suspecting that others have objectives too.

It would be bad for town because if I am gone their numbers will be 1 less

Unless Raz explicity says who his twin is and all he knows or says what he can say and what he cannot say and a real reason I don't see a problem in lynching a third party.

Oh boy, just read what it says Traf. Like your Layer (liar) stunt, it was Lawyer "advocate" and here it says "town's greatest asset is to share information". Not what you make of it

You are right about that. I missread. Not in the lawyer thing it was just a typo.

But you have been saying you are a Supersonic Hero. And trying to get lynch going cause things are 'so obviously clear', and that you on your own have figured many things'. But then u come with a 'I am new at this and barely seen any of the show', and then come with a claim trade, that we have stated many times why it does not help town. U are not doing yourself any favor.[/quote]

That could be, but it's not because i never played a mafia game i don't know how to find people in a mafia role playing game and use psy-ops, reverse psy-ops and scans to detect lies. Perhaps because i do that for a living in RL for more then 30 years I know me sticking out my ears on everybody makes everybody itchy about it. It also makes mea very easy target to be framed by mafia.

But hey thats part of the fun and the game. Lure rats into traps. And boy they came fast. (as predicted)

Yes, im a superhero and yes i try to play my The Tick character as good i can. And i feel you need to do that in a role playing game as The Tick. I know it's not helping me but i love the pose play. And yes, im sure about a lot of things by now.

[Extreme Ways]

I dont think it's helping town, either. I put out the hypothesis of both you and Loose being town and you swept it away like sand on a beach. Maybe try using your gigantic brain psy-ops and reverse psy-ops to defend yourself. "As predicted" is about as good of a defense as "why me".

[Extreme Ways]

Also for the next time you two quote each other could you fix the quote brackets? I did so in an earlier post but Sonic doesnt want to actually talk about my points so it's not being quoted.

[Extreme Ways]

Pepe, he specifically mentioned that he NEVER claimed to be town, but it will be disadvantageous for town if he is killed. So what else can he be? Cannot be scum, because it is good for town when he is killed. I actually believe him.

The most important thing is that we should focus on what we believe are actual facts, such as what I think we got from Loose, and the speculation around Raz can be done later.

Yes, sorry, as sonic explained to me I was misreading 'at no time' thinking it was 'in no time'.

I missed this earlier and this is wrong (sonic once again lying?)

You might think is sketchy, but thats all I got at this stage.. and I am now suspecting that others have objectives too.

It would be bad for town because if I am gone their numbers will be 1 less

Feels sketchy, Raz. Can you not even give us something better than it would be bad for town? Why do you believe that revealing your evil twin is bad for town?

As expected Son!c continues to try to tunnel Loose.

Unless Raz means that if Raz does, a Townsman also dies. Do you mean that, Raz? Because everyone reading this will conclude "Raz is saying he is town" from this.

[SoN!c]

I dont think it's helping town, either. I put out the hypothesis of both you and Loose being town and you swept it away like sand on a beach. Maybe try using your gigantic brain psy-ops and reverse psy-ops to defend yourself. "As predicted" is about as good of a defense as "why me".

Yes and i felt like i was getting close on you and that is why you offered me that. To stop pointing at you and leave you alone. Everybody follows your opinion. Me too, untill it got too much "ulterior motive". Loose was definitely not town at that moment. And that turned out to be true in the end. So that hypothesis was wrong and swept away for good motives. Why bring it back up now in a shady way? Always discrediting me. You very well know most won't remember the exact context and the time period. They fast scrol tru and your always putting them on the wrong foot like this.

Why don't you explain why you were so fast with the perfect defence play on Loose everytime. Giving him the quick way out already before he had to answer himself..

Loose just had to follow up on your story and the heat was gone on Loose but also on Pix (your ulterior motive) but he never did.
I think you got so angry that Loose did that (not once going along your perfect defence stories). I believe you called him something bad for it once. Like a reply "Your such an idiot" when he asked something. It looked so much like a frustration build-up that escaped you because It looked so disgruntled unlike you.

Anyway, we can go back-and-forth about it. But it would just be a y/n rambling.

If you are 100% sure im scum and you are town my offer keeps standing. We both know it will never happen.

Yes, sorry, as sonic explained to me I was misreading 'at no time' thinking it was 'in no time'.
I missed this earlier and this is wrong (sonic once again lying?)

No not lying, you just wanna make me look as a liar to save yourselve

Raz said something like "at no time did i say i was town" as pepe was thinking Raz said he was town in that sentence..

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Raz is lying, he first said town would be 1 less if we lynch him.
Then he said he never said he was town.
Then Sonic said he was the Tick.
The he said BOOM - Like if it was the true, but not actually saying it, so in the future he can said something scummy like saying he never said he was the tick (Which i don't think he is).
I also Agree I don't think this game ends if a 3rd party gets its objective, not much balance there after all the time Deg invested in it.

Sonic on the other hand Roleplaying is actually what I expected of him, and its the only thing going for him right now. But On the oher side, you wouldnt expect a scum to say: "yes I'am mafia....muahaha...I'll kill you townies" so trying to say you can get role trades witha mafia is nonsense, you switching 180° agianst Loose to believing Looses in less than 3 hours. You are not helping town either.

I'm, fine with lynching any of them both.

Vote Raz Cause he is lying but can switch if most people want to go the other way

[Extreme Ways]

Raz is lying, he first said town would be 1 less if we lynch him.
Then he said he never said he was town.
Then Sonic said he was the Tick.
The he said BOOM - Like if it was the true, but not actually saying it, so in the future he can said something scummy like saying he never said he was the tick (Which i don't think he is).
I also Agree I don't think this game ends if a 3rd party gets its objective, not much balance there after all the time Deg invested in it.

Sonic on the other hand Roleplaying is actually what I expected of him, and its the only thing going for him right now. But On the oher side, you wouldnt expect a scum to say: "yes I'am mafia....muahaha...I'll kill you townies" so trying to say you can get role trades witha mafia is nonsense, you switching 180° agianst Loose to believing Looses in less than 3 hours. You are not helping town either.

I'm, fine with lynching any of them both.

Vote Raz Cause he is lying but can switch if most people want to go the other way

Lest not forget he know states that Loose is not town:

I dont think it's helping town, either. I put out the hypothesis of both you and Loose being town and you swept it away like sand on a beach. Maybe try using your gigantic brain psy-ops and reverse psy-ops to defend yourself. "As predicted" is about as good of a defense as "why me".

Yes and i felt like i was getting close on you and that is why you offered me that. To stop pointing at you and leave you alone. Everybody follows your opinion. Me too, untill it got too much "ulterior motive". Loose was definitely not town at that moment. And that turned out to be true in the end. So that hypothesis was wrong and swept away for good motives. Why bring it back up now in a shady way? Always discrediting me. You very well know most won't remember the exact context and the time period. They fast scrol tru and your always putting them on the wrong foot like this.

Why don't you explain why you were so fast with the perfect defence play on Loose everytime. Giving him the quick way out already before he had to answer himself..

Loose just had to follow up on your story and the heat was gone on Loose but also on Pix (your ulterior motive) but he never did.
I think you got so angry that Loose did that (not once going along your perfect defence stories). I believe you called him something bad for it once. Like a reply "Your such an idiot" when he asked something. It looked so much like a frustration build-up that escaped you because It looked so disgruntled unlike you.

Anyway, we can go back-and-forth about it. But it would just be a y/n rambling.

If you are 100% sure im scum and you are town my offer keeps standing. We both know it will never happen.

Yes, sorry, as sonic explained to me I was misreading 'at no time' thinking it was 'in no time'.
I missed this earlier and this is wrong (sonic once again lying?)

No not lying, you just wanna make me look as a liar to save yourselve

Raz said something like "at no time did i say i was town" as pepe was thinking Raz said he was town in that sentence..

But yeah Sonic & me are very much yes/no going at each other. Sonic, why don't you switch your vote to me and if Town is on your side I'll claim at L-2.