The Tick Mafia - JUSTICE PREVAILS!

[SoN!c]

Raz is lying, he first said town would be 1 less if we lynch him.
Then he said he never said he was town.
Then Sonic said he was the Tick.
The he said BOOM - Like if it was the true, but not actually saying it, so in the future he can said something scummy like saying he never said he was the tick (Which i don't think he is).
I also Agree I don't think this game ends if a 3rd party gets its objective, not much balance there after all the time Deg invested in it.

Sonic on the other hand Roleplaying is actually what I expected of him, and its the only thing going for him right now. But On the oher side, you wouldnt expect a scum to say: "yes I'am mafia....muahaha...I'll kill you townies" so trying to say you can get role trades witha mafia is nonsense, you switching 180° agianst Loose to believing Looses in less than 3 hours. You are not helping town either.

I'm, fine with lynching any of them both.

Vote Raz Cause he is lying but can switch if most people want to go the other way

You cant vote Raz. Then the excecutioner wins. Also i explained already why i was on Loose so hard but at a certain time stopped. And me getting role trades with maffia? I never said that. Cmon stay a bit real. And if its on Loose your talking about i said in the beginning i was thinking Loose was Scum yes, certainly not town.
Then i found out he is 3rd party.

[SoN!c]

Im willing to lynch Ragian is what you want to hear from me? Because i have a feeling you already know me to well that i would say that??(if the choice is between Raz or Ragian) and then you will use that line to switch and lynch me in the end lol. "See SoN!c is mafia"!!! He wants to lynch Ragian now.

Mafia would get Ragian on their side and i get lynched, then EW gets the town back on his hand on D3 and all is wel in mafia land. Easy cruise to the win.

Great play. Love it

I made it very clear why we cant lynch Raz until we know who is the evil one. Or untill we know more on the twins. Nice bait on me tho.

[strike wolf]

Yes, sorry, as sonic explained to me I was misreading 'at no time' thinking it was 'in no time'.
I missed this earlier and this is wrong (sonic once again lying?)

No not lying, you just wanna make me look as a liar to save yourselve

Raz said something like "at no time did i say i was town" as pepe was thinking Raz said he was town in that sentence..[/quote]

Cool how you glossed over the part where Extreme pointed out how Raz seemed to claim he was town by stating we'd lose one by lynching him then later asking he's third party. Not at least curious how Raz will explain it?

As far as "game ends if Raz dies", not even Raz seems to believe that so...yea.

[SoN!c]

EW, Trafa, Strikewolf all coming for me in a coördinated attack.? Lmao

Trafa presenting a "choice"? Lmao

The choice is Raz or me. That is no choice. That is called steering.

Knowing all too well town can't choose Raz for the reasons i explained.

So that is steering it on me.

Remember: bait always works two ways. The baited but also the baiter can be seen.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

EW, Trafa, Strikewolf all coming for me in a coördinated attack.? Lmao

Trafa presenting a "choice"? Lmao

The choice is Raz or me. That is no choice. That is called steering.

Knowing all too well town can't choose Raz for the reasons i explained.

So that is steering it on me.

Remember: bait always works two ways. The baited but also the baiter can be seen.

Until Raz does not come clean I don't buy he is the Tick = Raz is Lying

[SoN!c]

EW, Trafa, Strikewolf all coming for me in a coördinated attack.? Lmao

Trafa presenting a "choice"? Lmao

The choice is Raz or me. That is no choice. That is called steering.

Knowing all too well town can't choose Raz for the reasons i explained.

So that is steering it on me.

Remember: bait always works two ways. The baited but also the baiter can be seen.

Until Raz does not come clean I don't buy he is the Tick = Raz is Lying

Well then lets do exactly like i proposed and find out more on the twins.?

[Extreme Ways]

Actually I proposed Bax or Pix (my supposed scumbuddy) too.

[SoN!c]

Actually I proposed Bax or Pix (my supposed scumbuddy) too.

Pix had to stay out of it because of the fastpost you and him would be joining very rapidly

Its all good. I love the game and the play. And your never 100 % sure untill you are

[Extreme Ways]

Actually I proposed Bax or Pix (my supposed scumbuddy) too.

Pix had to stay out of it because of the fastpost you and him would be joining very rapidly

Wait pix and I would be joining rapidly voting pix? You're still voting alongside pix for now.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

EW, Trafa, Strikewolf all coming for me in a coördinated attack.? Lmao

Trafa presenting a "choice"? Lmao

The choice is Raz or me. That is no choice. That is called steering.

Knowing all too well town can't choose Raz for the reasons i explained.

So that is steering it on me.

Remember: bait always works two ways. The baited but also the baiter can be seen.

Until Raz does not come clean I don't buy he is the Tick = Raz is Lying

Well then lets do exactly like i proposed and find out more on the twins.?

I would agree, but I have already asked Raz twice to say more about his twin, he won't say. If he is unable to talk more about it even after he said he had more info then its all bs

[strike wolf]

Cool how you glossed over the part where Extreme pointed out how Raz seemed to claim he was town by stating we'd lose one by lynching him then later asking he's third party. Not at least curious how Raz will explain it?

As far as "game ends if Raz dies", not even Raz seems to believe that so...yea.

Is what I was trying to say earlier. Not sure how it got so messed up quote wise. I could have sworn I put it at the end. Either way, should have double checked before posting.

[SoN!c]

Actually I proposed Bax or Pix (my supposed scumbuddy) too.

Pix had to stay out of it because of the fastpost you and him would be joining very rapidly

Wait pix and I would be joining rapidly voting pix? You're still voting alongside pix for now.

*both voting me, but im sure that was spelled right in my post. Perhaps a misunderstanding like so many happened before in the game it seems.

And yes im still voting with Pix, that should say something no? Your never 100% sure untill you are.

The Loose Gamble, The Twins. Lots of 3P. There is a lot more in this game then a classic mafia game the way i get it. So there is a lot more to find out.

PS: i know perfect play when i see it. Its like art. You know it when you see it but you can't describe it with words. And I think you are an art lover too.

[SoN!c]

EW, Trafa, Strikewolf all coming for me in a coördinated attack.? Lmao

Trafa presenting a "choice"? Lmao

The choice is Raz or me. That is no choice. That is called steering.

Knowing all too well town can't choose Raz for the reasons i explained.

So that is steering it on me.

Remember: bait always works two ways. The baited but also the baiter can be seen.

Until Raz does not come clean I don't buy he is the Tick = Raz is Lying

Well then lets do exactly like i proposed and find out more on the twins.?

I would agree, but I have already asked Raz twice to say more about his twin, he won't say. If he is unable to talk more about it even after he said he had more info then its all bs

Ragian has gone too quiet too after an exposure that big. But perhaps he wants to tell more? Or is everybody so afraid of the big bad wolf all the sudden?

[Extreme Ways]

Actually I proposed Bax or Pix (my supposed scumbuddy) too.

Pix had to stay out of it because of the fastpost you and him would be joining very rapidly

Wait pix and I would be joining rapidly voting pix? You're still voting alongside pix for now.

*both voting me, but im sure that was spelled right in my post. Perhaps a misunderstanding like so many happened before in the game it seems.

And yes im still voting with Pix, that should say something no? Your never 100% sure untill you are.

The Loose Gamble, The Twins. Lots of 3P. There is a lot more in this game then a classic mafia game the way i get it. So there is a lot more to find out.

PS: i know perfect play when i see it. Its like art. You know it when you see it but you can't describe it with words. And I think you are an art lover too.

I still genuinely dont understand what you mean.

I wanted to vote either Pix, Bax, or you. Strike voted you. I followed soon after. Had strike voted Pix, I would have voted Pix. Pix hasn't roared his head since (part of the reason why I dont trust him much). I wasnt even convinced you were scum when I voted, I was just quite sure that you were not town and that it would net uesful info.

Ragian has gone too quiet too after an exposure that big. But perhaps he wants to tell more? Or is everybody so afraid of the big bad wolf all the sudden?

Actual good take. Both Raz and Rag havent been here much, but it's been high speed. Give them a bit to elaborate and until then, both are indeed not to be trusted. Probably wont be afterwards, too.

[Loose Canon]

I just want to clear something up because I'm brain fuddled by the analyses going on - currently

I'm 100% town -definitely not scum and actually definitely not third party.
And if I concluded I would get a good enough information trade for soft revealing my identity I would do so.
(however anyone tries to hush me by saying I'm playing badly for town or whatever)

I'm unlikely to make such a trade for about 48 hours+ real time now because in the real world I'm off on a lads night out tomorrow.

I stand by my accusation of Swang and the reasoning I have given for it countless times.
My probability of this in my head is about 60 yes Swang is Scum 40 maybe he is not.

I'm happy for you guys to have a logic fight but if no truth is proven today (game time) then why not lynch Swang because I repeat once more his MO is blending in and blending in is what Scum do.

And I do suspect there really won't be proven truth today (game time) because as far as I can see with so little having been claimed by players about themselves and claimed to be proven right or wrong by actual detective work, that I really don't see how you will get to proven truth today.

For today I put to you that a bird in the hand (Swang) is worth two in the bush (whatever is claimed to be proven by forensics).

I'll sign off by saying I find it interesting that nobody including Swang will take me up on the market I am running on Swangs guilt.
You might get better odds if you wait but I might not look in on the game much for say 48 hours.
Its a darned good offer and one that I'll honour IF you don't think Swang is guilty.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Going down each post that stand out the most to me.

Well it seems my double has no idea that we are connected, OR he is a master bullshitter.

At no time have I claimed that I am Town, I said... Town would be worse off without me.. you all put the dots together

I do have an end game goal, but that no way hinders towns goal of finding the scum.

Um...So if you're not Town, what exactly is the benefit to Town? I'm not following.

Well it seems my double has no idea that we are connected, OR he is a master bullshitter.

At no time have I claimed that I am Town, ...

I believe Raz. I think Raz and his double are both 3P, but if one is lynched, the other one wins the game...

Charle can you explain if you think Raz is 3P and he claimed to be town, how it is possible that you believe him?

You are misreading "I claimed that I am Town" because the words in front of that sentence are "at no time"

At no time have I claimed that I am Town - Raz never claimed he was town.

Look guys it's so obvious. And since im town and town's greatest asset is to share information im gonna say it:

Raz is the main hero. He is The Tick. The dopplegänger is his evil green slimy clone from the show "The Tick vs The Tick"

So far, no counter claim, and I'd rather have Raz say he is the Tick than someone else in his stead. And further, this completely contradicts his first statement of basically saying "I'm 3P." Why would the main hero not be town? That absolutely makes no sense. Lastly, why would his dopple not be Barry? Barry; The Tick. Hello?

Will give my take on Raz vs Ragian later, also need thoughts from the people I actually trust . Still at work, so DDS lynch me.

I'm emailing your supervisor as we speak. You'll be lynched IRL for this!

Not going to quote that entire biography from Sonic since it's just one section but: The Executioner wins. I know I pointed it out in the past that I felt this role, but in that context, I was saying YOU were acting like it/Jester when you've been on Loose like a fly on shit. With Rag and Raz, that to me seems to be way less subtle. Further, that role (Executioner) is considered to be a bastard role, and even then, that win condition is more often than not, based on the individual IE; X-Player fulfilled his Win Condin, the Game continues for Town/Scum. He just wins for fulfilling it and the game continues. Same thing with the Jester. Jester just wants to get lynched, but the game doesn't end. I'm not entirely sure what you gain out of pulling my Executioner post out of context like that, but come on man...

Some more stuff happens, votes on Sonic, can't imagine why (sarcasm). Not really seeing anything else that stands out too much or I can't add anything further without beating a dead horse.

Alright, I think I'm caught up. Some unvotes happen with Raz but I think people are misunderstanding the context of it. Raz, I believe, told a half truth. I see little reason not to unvote Barry; The Tick who actively searches to replace/kill the real Tick. I can't see the real blue Tick NOT be town.
Now as for the Sonic votes, I completely agree, 100%, and I may change my vote if a deadline is later imposed. As it stands, I think Raz is still our best candidate given the information provided.

[swang918]

I actually prefer a vote on Razor over Sonic. I had held off on voting Razor so I can hear his defense. It was...underwhelming.

Raz is lying, he first said town would be 1 less if we lynch him.
Then he said he never said he was town.

This is enough to lynch. First Razor claims town. After me and others broke down the lie, he then says he never claimed town. That smells like he first tried to claim town and then switched to 3p when it didn't work. Like, if you say town's number would be one less if we lynch you--there's no world where that's not a clear town claim. To say that's technically not a town claim is just too clever by half word-lawyering. Unless he's actually saying that he's a 3p whose lynching would trigger the death of a town. Which is just farfetched.
So I don't even know if I believe the 3p claim. Razor might be just scum.

Vote Razor

As to Sonic, I'm happy to switch my vote to him if that wagon gains enough momentum. I still think a lot of his ridiculousness can be explained by wild donkey play vs him being scum. So Razor is a slightly better bet. He really is ridiculous though.

[strike wolf]

Raz falls under lynch all liars unless he can explain the seeming contradiction. I'm happy with a Son!c or a Raz lynch and will probably vote Raz by morning unless hes convinced me otherwise. As much as Son!c claims no one is attached to him, he's attached himself to Raz at this point.

[degaston]

Vote Count:

Razorvich : 5 (Ragian, DirtyDishSoap, PepeAtila, TrafalgarLaw01, swang918)
swang918 : 4 (Loose Canon x 2, SoN!c, *Pixar*)
Son!c : 2 (strike wolf, Extreme Ways)
Ragian : 1 (Razorvich)
Loose Canon : 0 ()

No Vote : 7 (Charle, Darin44, DukeHazzard, fusibaseball, General Bax, Maxleod, traffic133)

18 Alive, 10 votes needed to lynch

[Darin44]

Work slow, found time to read through.

Yea. I think the theory that Raz is the *actual* Tick and third party has some pretty big holes. The Tick is not just a super hero. He is the city's greatest superhero, protecting it and its citizens. *Citizens* like Dr. Mung Mung. So there's no reason I see to have a hero be a separate alignment. Raz could be town trying to act like third party to deflect attention from himself but that isn't much more likely than scum pretending to be 3rd party. The only way I could see The Tick being third party is if all superheros in this game were third party which for multiple reasons I find unlikely.
If it was a case where one of them is The Tick and the other is the Imposter than the Imposter is more likely to be 3rd party. Any Tick Imposter would be either third party or actively anti-town. As someone who has seen the show, Son!c should know all of this. I think he realized this and then tried to Wildly craft a theory of how multiple heroes could be "good aligned 3rd party" and conveniently left it to frame his usual suspects. Son!c has done multiple things that are scummy. Like pre-emptively shutting down contrary discussion on why Charle was killed by stating that anyone who disagrees with his theory is scum trying to deflect from the truth. Day 1, he tried to delegitimize experienced players by casting shade on them as a whole. Why? Maybe because experienced players in general are going to be more likely to spot his bullshit and if he can get the rest of town to distrust them then he can act more freely. Son!c is not the cop. Son!c the cop would have almost certainly investigated either Loose or Pixar and a cop with a guilty result on either might tunnel like he did but he would not suddenly switch and start believing his guilty target. A cop with an innocent result on Loose or Pix would not continue to press them both as scum. Therefore, I do not believe Son!c is cop. His tunneling could just be a sign of his experience but the sudden 180 and change in target still does not make sense. Except that he was starting to get called oit gor tunneling Loose. So he shifted targets.

Vote Son!c

I agree with the the more read the more Son!c make too much for me
you and Extreme Ways I thank I can trust

Vote Sonic

[SoN!c]

Work slow, found time to read through.

Yea. I think the theory that Raz is the *actual* Tick and third party has some pretty big holes. The Tick is not just a super hero. He is the city's greatest superhero, protecting it and its citizens. *Citizens* like Dr. Mung Mung. So there's no reason I see to have a hero be a separate alignment. Raz could be town trying to act like third party to deflect attention from himself but that isn't much more likely than scum pretending to be 3rd party. The only way I could see The Tick being third party is if all superheros in this game were third party which for multiple reasons I find unlikely.
If it was a case where one of them is The Tick and the other is the Imposter than the Imposter is more likely to be 3rd party. Any Tick Imposter would be either third party or actively anti-town. As someone who has seen the show, Son!c should know all of this. I think he realized this and then tried to Wildly craft a theory of how multiple heroes could be "good aligned 3rd party" and conveniently left it to frame his usual suspects. Son!c has done multiple things that are scummy. Like pre-emptively shutting down contrary discussion on why Charle was killed by stating that anyone who disagrees with his theory is scum trying to deflect from the truth. Day 1, he tried to delegitimize experienced players by casting shade on them as a whole. Why? Maybe because experienced players in general are going to be more likely to spot his bullshit and if he can get the rest of town to distrust them then he can act more freely. Son!c is not the cop. Son!c the cop would have almost certainly investigated either Loose or Pixar and a cop with a guilty result on either might tunnel like he did but he would not suddenly switch and start believing his guilty target. A cop with an innocent result on Loose or Pix would not continue to press them both as scum. Therefore, I do not believe Son!c is cop. His tunneling could just be a sign of his experience but the sudden 180 and change in target still does not make sense. Except that he was starting to get called oit gor tunneling Loose. So he shifted targets.

Vote Son!c

I agree with the the more read the more Son!c make too much for me
you and Extreme Ways I thank I can trust

Vote Sonic

Don't worry, my dove, I shall be responsible for everything? In that case im gonna first unvote Swang. I perfectly understand it's all getting way too much for you. But my Sonar Sense says Charle is the only one you can trust. And Fusi. And DDS. And 70% what you need to know was right in front of your eyes.
But you say I am not to be trusted?. I’m afraid you’re mistaken.

Don't give up believing me, but in case you don't: I will start the underground resistance having a Pumpkin Spiced Latté at the dinner.

[Extreme Ways]

Raz falls under lynch all liars unless he can explain the seeming contradiction. I'm happy with a Son!c or a Raz lynch and will probably vote Raz by morning unless hes convinced me otherwise. As much as Son!c claims no one is attached to him, he's attached himself to Raz at this point.

I dont disagree, but I really want to hear more from either Raz or Rag before fully lynching him. I dont find a lovers-like role to be farfetched.

[Charle]

Guys, I think we are loosing the plot here due to personal issues.

In the beginning, I also thought that Loose was scum because of various reasons. On D2 I changed my mind as I would think to give scum the powers of a double vote, plus a smoke bomb for a day would just be too unfair. On top of this, we now know that Loose is town, he has some other inside info that Swang is scum.

The way I see it is that we as town are given a huge clue and benefit we can use through Loose for one day, and we ignore it. D3 is going to be a different story, but for now my suggestion is to vote Swang.

Swang also came in and tried to swing the vote back to Raz. To go after 3rd parties is irrelevant at this stage and a waste of votes. Looks like everybody is playing according to the hands of scum and not knowing it.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Raz falls under lynch all liars unless he can explain the seeming contradiction. I'm happy with a Son!c or a Raz lynch and will probably vote Raz by morning unless hes convinced me otherwise. As much as Son!c claims no one is attached to him, he's attached himself to Raz at this point.

I dont disagree, but I really want to hear more from either Raz or Rag before fully lynching him. I dont find a lovers-like role to be farfetched.

I'm against going Rag, he has had way more town vibes, likewise, If Raz flips as Barry, then it would stand to reason that Rag is actually the Tick, and we would have a confirmed townie. Vice versa scenario, confirmed scum.

Either way, i think we can gleam more info on one or the other being lynched. Preferably Raz though.

FP: Absolutely not. Swang has been almost pure neutral. This "blending" in M/O can be applied to every person currently playing. There's nothing remotely indicating that he is scum. For that matter, anything loose has said or been done has had such a detrimental impact on Town that i can't take anything he says seriously in any context.

[Extreme Ways]

Guys, I think we are loosing the plot here due to personal issues.

In the beginning, I also thought that Loose was scum because of various reasons. On D2 I changed my mind as I would think to give scum the powers of a double vote, plus a smoke bomb for a day would just be too unfair. On top of this, we now know that Loose is town, he has some other inside info that Swang is scum.

The way I see it is that we as town are given a huge clue and benefit we can use through Loose for one day, and we ignore it. D3 is going to be a different story, but for now my suggestion is to vote Swang.

Swang also came in and tried to swing the vote back to Raz. To go after 3rd parties is irrelevant at this stage and a waste of votes. Looks like everybody is playing according to the hands of scum and not knowing it.

1) Loose denies that it's his smoke bomb.
2) Loose's inside info is 'vibes'. I've asked the voters to clarify and none has clarified. Swang may be scum, but the case against him right now is weak.

@DDS good points, though I find Raz v Rag scary with the info we have now and still no Rag response. I'll vote when push comes to shove (i.e. when a deadline is imposed or we get more posts by them) but for now I'm staying on sonic.