The Tick Mafia - JUSTICE PREVAILS!

[PepeAtila]

Extreme Ways on 21 Sep 2023, 19:15 (pag.26)

Raz is lying, ...
Vote Raz[/color] ...

Lest not forget he know states that Loose is not town:

... Loose was definitely not town at that moment. And that turned out to be true in the end. .....

But yeah Sonic & me are very much yes/no going at each other. Sonic, why don't you switch your vote to me and if Town is on your side I'll claim at L-2.

I was thinking everybody should claim al L-2.
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Charle on 22 Sep 2023, 07:11 (pag.27)

Guys, I think we are loosing the plot here due to personal issues.
In the beginning, I also thought that Loose was scum because of various reasons. On D2 I changed my mind as I would think to give scum the powers of a double vote, plus a smoke bomb for a day would just be too unfair. On top of this, we now know that Loose is town, he has some other inside info that Swang is scum.
...

Are you sure Loose is town ? because I don't think so ... and if you read it

Loose Canon on 21 Sep 2023, 22:58

I'm 100% town -definitely not scum and actually definitely not third party.
...
I stand by my accusation of Swang and the reasoning I have given for it countless times.
My probability of this in my head is about 60 yes Swang is Scum 40 maybe he is not.
...

Where is the other inside info that Swang is scum ? why do you trust what he is saying when he clearly is a 'poker player'?

[PepeAtila]

I hope what I wrote about 'poker player' be not misunderstanded. It is just about this game.
I also play poker, I mean that what he says can be true or false.

[DirtyDishSoap]

I hope what I wrote about 'poker player' be not misunderstanded. It is just about this game.
I also play poker, I mean that what he says can be true or false.

The following is pure opinion and has no relation to this game. This is something we should keep Inside our sub section; Discussion.

There's a huge discrepancy between poker and Mafia, and i can confidently say that Mafia is it's own game. You can't count cards, predict hands, predict moves, can't kick a field goal, etc. This is in it's purest form, a mind game. I cannot think of another game that remotely comes close to Mafia.

Further, as a player, and im begging you guys here, stop trying to compare, especially in game. It usually leads to be a distraction. Its one of those Tall Tale signs that the person who is trying to make that comparison, scum. Not that I'm drawing that conclusion atm, due to it happening earlier and not because it has any relevance (it doesn't), but it takes away current topics. I encourage everyone, to stop this nonsense. The game within a game. The comparisons, all of it. It's distracting, it doesn't help town in the least bit and detracts actual scum hunting.

[Loose Canon]

I actually prefer a vote on Razor over Sonic. I had held off on voting Razor so I can hear his defense. It was...underwhelming.

Raz is lying, he first said town would be 1 less if we lynch him.
Then he said he never said he was town.

This is enough to lynch. First Razor claims town. After me and others broke down the lie, he then says he never claimed town. That smells like he first tried to claim town and then switched to 3p when it didn't work. Like, if you say town's number would be one less if we lynch you--there's no world where that's not a clear town claim. To say that's technically not a town claim is just too clever by half word-lawyering. Unless he's actually saying that he's a 3p whose lynching would trigger the death of a town. Which is just farfetched.
So I don't even know if I believe the 3p claim. Razor might be just scum.

Vote Razor

As to Sonic, I'm happy to switch my vote to him if that wagon gains enough momentum. I still think a lot of his ridiculousness can be explained by wild donkey play vs him being scum. So Razor is a slightly better bet. He really is ridiculous though.

IF you are town DO NOT vote as Swang suggests or as anyone defending swing suggests

[Ragian]

Raz falls under lynch all liars unless he can explain the seeming contradiction. I'm happy with a Son!c or a Raz lynch and will probably vote Raz by morning unless hes convinced me otherwise. As much as Son!c claims no one is attached to him, he's attached himself to Raz at this point.

I dont disagree, but I really want to hear more from either Raz or Rag before fully lynching him. I dont find a lovers-like role to be farfetched.

I think I posted yesterday. Don't you guys have actual lives? That said, my RL evening was spoiled by a trip to the hospital. The wee lad had a massive allergic reaction, so I had to take him to the doctor because if anyone had seen him with me, they would've thought I was using him as a personal punch ball

OT: What do you want from me? I'm quite sure that if you look through the pages, you will find that I have contributed not only my thoughts on current matters, but I've also listed whom I find scummy-chummy. That list probably should be revised at some point, but it's the weekend.

I can repeat myself, though:

1) Raz was waaaaay too quiet. People even agreed with. I wanted him to post D1.
2) When nothing happened D2, I initiated the vote on him for two reasons: a) to get Raz to participate and b) to see if anyone would jump on my lame arse "case".
3) Raz comes in drunk doing himself no favours by refusing to claim at L-2.
4) Raz then indirectly says that he is town. A few minutes after he refuses to have ever claimed such a thing.
5) Raz gets a boner saying that he has found "his evil twin" (or whatever it was), which would mean - as I can understand on the dudes having watched the show - that he would be The Tick. Which again would mean that The Tick is not town. Aforementioned dudes can't see that.

Now, besides not participating a lot, Raz has committed a series of offenses as described above. I would lynch him based on that in any game. Right now, however, all I need him to do is to claim and at least see if he can fix some of the holes in his major clusterfudge of a story.

So, I ask again: What do you want from me?

[Ragian]

I may have gotten the chronology slightly wrong. I think he wanted us to back down from voting him, strongly indicating that he was town, before he refused to claim.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

So, I ask again: What do you want from me?

I agree on pretty much all the Raz description.
But how about yourself, Raz has pointed FOS at you, you've got something to prove Raz is lying or to believe that you are town?

[Razorvich]

I will say it agian.

There is no advantage for town to lynch me

Ragian started this vote sprawl to get me to contribute.. phwey on him and you lot have all fallen for it

I stand by my vote

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I will say it agian.

There is no advantage for town to lynch me

Ragian started this vote sprawl to get me to contribute.. phwey on him and you lot have all fallen for it

I stand by my vote

And why can't you be more clear? You have contradicted yourself already and if you can explain I'm more inclined to vote you

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I will say it agian.

There is no advantage for town to lynch me

Ragian started this vote sprawl to get me to contribute.. phwey on him and you lot have all fallen for it

I stand by my vote

And why can't you be more clear? You have contradicted yourself already and if you can explain I'm more inclined to vote you

If you can't explain yourself* typo

[Razorvich]

how have I conderaticeted myself?

[TrafalgarLaw01]

how have I conderaticeted myself?

Here You say that if we Lynch you Town numbers will be 1 less

You might think is sketchy, but thats all I got at this stage.. and I am now suspecting that others have objectives too.

It would be bad for town because if I am gone their numbers will be 1 less

Then here You say you are not town

Well it seems my double has no idea that we are connected, OR he is a master bullshitter.

At no time have I claimed that I am Town, I said... Town would be worse off without me.. you all put the dots together

I do have an end game goal, but that no way hinders towns goal of finding the scum.

So?

[*Pixar*]

Either Raz is drunk or has no idea what he got himself into .

So in that case I'm back to not believing Raz. If Raz by chance is telling the truth I don't think the game will be over if his so called "Evil" twin satisfies his win conditions. And for today I think this Raz drama is the best we are going to get.

unvote vote Razorvich

[Razorvich]

another one on the band wagon

[Razorvich]

ok I will tell you all something else.. how many to lynch my 10 votes?

but I am lovable.. get to 10 and see if I am lying then..

IF I am still alive.. all that have a vote on me now have egg on thier face

[Razorvich]

go on.. get me to 10 votes and see if I'm lynched

This is something that can be proven

[Extreme Ways]

Raz falls under lynch all liars unless he can explain the seeming contradiction. I'm happy with a Son!c or a Raz lynch and will probably vote Raz by morning unless hes convinced me otherwise. As much as Son!c claims no one is attached to him, he's attached himself to Raz at this point.

I dont disagree, but I really want to hear more from either Raz or Rag before fully lynching him. I dont find a lovers-like role to be farfetched.

I think I posted yesterday. Don't you guys have actual lives? That said, my RL evening was spoiled by a trip to the hospital. The wee lad had a massive allergic reaction, so I had to take him to the doctor because if anyone had seen him with me, they would've thought I was using him as a personal punch ball

I think I mentioned that the game was fast-paced and that "xyz isnt responding to these matters" was too early to say . Hope he's better now, allergic reactions are no fun.

OT: What do you want from me? I'm quite sure that if you look through the pages, you will find that I have contributed not only my thoughts on current matters, but I've also listed whom I find scummy-chummy. That list probably should be revised at some point, but it's the weekend.

I can repeat myself, though:

1) Raz was waaaaay too quiet. People even agreed with. I wanted him to post D1.
2) When nothing happened D2, I initiated the vote on him for two reasons: a) to get Raz to participate and b) to see if anyone would jump on my lame arse "case".
3) Raz comes in drunk doing himself no favours by refusing to claim at L-2.
4) Raz then indirectly says that he is town. A few minutes after he refuses to have ever claimed such a thing.
5) Raz gets a boner saying that he has found "his evil twin" (or whatever it was), which would mean - as I can understand on the dudes having watched the show - that he would be The Tick. Which again would mean that The Tick is not town. Aforementioned dudes can't see that.

Now, besides not participating a lot, Raz has committed a series of offenses as described above. I would lynch him based on that in any game. Right now, however, all I need him to do is to claim and at least see if he can fix some of the holes in his major clusterfudge of a story.

So, I ask again: What do you want from me?

(Part of) raz's defense is that some other 3P is out to lynch him for their own good. We have concluded that he meant you, do you deny these allegations?

Look, I trust you way more than Raz, but you are also the more experienced player here and Raz is kinda digging his own grave so if he speaks the truth there was no need for you to respond. That's why I wanted you to respond and this posts already goes a long way even if it's a summary.

That being said, after this post of yours Raz came in a bunch, denied contradicting himself (while also not mentioning the other option that was proposed if he really wasnt contradicting himself) and hinting at the thing I suggested (lovers). It's less strong of an argument if you take someone else's posts and crypticly reference it.

go on.. get me to 10 votes and see if I'm lynched

This is something that can be proven

Okidoki, there's a point to how much you can try to threaten town as a defense. I still want to lynch sonic as much as the next person. The thing that almost kept me from voting you is that Loose could hammer you, but there's not a lot of useful stuff coming out of your posts anyway.

unvote vote raz

[fusibaseball]

Raz...what's going on?

First you said you had an evil twin out to get you and now you're basically claiming Loved. How can there be both someone out to kill you AND a lover? Are you saying it's 2 different players you had knowledge of their identity before the game started?

[Ragian]

So, I ask again: What do you want from me?

I agree on pretty much all the Raz description.
But how about yourself, Raz has pointed FOS at you, you've got something to prove Raz is lying or to believe that you are town?

I have nothing to prove that I am town unless you lynch me. That probably goes for everyone. Do you feel that my gameplay has been antitown? Do you feel that Raz' has been?

[Ragian]

part of) raz's defense is that some other 3P is out to lynch him for their own good. We have concluded that he meant you, do you deny these allegations?

Yes! I 100% deny all that BS.

And if he gets to ten votes and is not lynched, it probably just means that it takes one extra vote to lynch him. Seen that in loads of roles of all alignments.

[strike wolf]

part of) raz's defense is that some other 3P is out to lynch him for their own good. We have concluded that he meant you, do you deny these allegations?

Yes! I 100% deny all that BS.

And if he gets to ten votes and is not lynched, it probably just means that it takes one extra vote to lynch him. Seen that in loads of roles of all alignments.

That role is usually called "beloved villager" or something like that which may be Raz's hint over being a lover.

[SoN!c]

Extreme Ways on 21 Sep 2023, 19:15 (pag.26)

Raz is lying, ...
Vote Raz[/color] ...

Lest not forget he know states that Loose is not town:

... Loose was definitely not town at that moment. And that turned out to be true in the end. .....

But yeah Sonic & me are very much yes/no going at each other. Sonic, why don't you switch your vote to me and if Town is on your side I'll claim at L-2.

I was thinking everybody should claim al L-2.



You just say this because you know i offered to claim "you vs me" (because you called me scum and voted for it saying you were sure) but we both know you will never take the exchange. And conveniently your inner circle confirmed that fast.

"Sonic, why don't you switch your vote to me and if Town is on your side I'll claim at L-2". = is only deflecting that the best you can. You know on D2 you won't get that numbers to lynch you.

But how about this: why don't we vote to see town thinks its a good idea we both claim.? Let's say 8 votes is enough to both us claiming?

"Lest not forget he know states that Loose is not town:"

Well again you pin something like "sure" on me (like i knew it 100% and thus, the only logical conclusion is im mafia because only mafia would know 100%..) while i ment "i was feeling very strongly at that moment"

I think it very obvious to even the smallest child i would not actually knew it 100% if i was going so strong on Loose at that moment to find that out..

But you, so smart and thus knowing that all too well, you just use that to present me like that. It does not make any sense IF you are town.

And if this is all you got to throw shade at me it's a very meager and small birdy: Loose was definitely not town at that moment. And that turned out to be true in the end.

lmao

Mafia knows who the other mafia players are. Town does not.

So townies need to find things out. Mafia does not have to, they already know who the other mafia players are.

So Mafia can wait and just needs to twist little things to make other townies doubt other townies. Then they need to strengthen that shade by 1 or 2 confirming it saying like "yes (followed by the confirmation of the shade that the first mafia player already casted), then the second saying something like "and let's not forget (a second subtile twist on words or extra shade).. trying to get town lynching a townie.

At what point in the entire 28 pages by now did that ever happened? It did not but i see this happening so many times with you and always in the same inner circle.

I have no inner circle, but you do.

Also there was a coördinated attack on me before. I know mafia will try to lynch me asap. That is why i unvoted swang. So nobody can use that to talk his way out of it on D3 saying i got killed because i was thinking Swang.

The vote on Swang was just to get more info out on him. Because yes i shifted my idea on Loose. That happens? Loose is not in the mafia or by now he would have "played along" at some point. Maffia have comms. Clearly Loose is not receiving comms.

But some are using it so hard to pin things on me.? Again this is coming from the same inner circle.

I believe: mafia coördinates their moves to strengthen shade on the same target. They play along. They are an inner circle.

Charle, DDS, Fusi are town i strongly believe.

[SoN!c]

I'll make a short post for the fast scrollers too from now:

So in short EW and his inner circle are taking one sentence of mine (out of a long post) and are turning my words

SoN!c said: Loose was definitely not town at that moment. And that turned out to be true in the end.

out of context and turning them into this:

Lest not forget he know states that Loose is not town:

That's pretty extreme lmao

[SoN!c]

Raz falls under lynch all liars unless he can explain the seeming contradiction. I'm happy with a Son!c or a Raz lynch and will probably vote Raz by morning unless hes convinced me otherwise. As much as Son!c claims no one is attached to him, he's attached himself to Raz at this point.

I dont disagree, but I really want to hear more from either Raz or Rag before fully lynching him. I dont find a lovers-like role to be farfetched.

I think I posted yesterday. Don't you guys have actual lives? That said, my RL evening was spoiled by a trip to the hospital. The wee lad had a massive allergic reaction, so I had to take him to the doctor because if anyone had seen him with me, they would've thought I was using him as a personal punch ball

I think I mentioned that the game was fast-paced and that "xyz isnt responding to these matters" was too early to say . Hope he's better now, allergic reactions are no fun.

OT: What do you want from me? I'm quite sure that if you look through the pages, you will find that I have contributed not only my thoughts on current matters, but I've also listed whom I find scummy-chummy. That list probably should be revised at some point, but it's the weekend.

I can repeat myself, though:

1) Raz was waaaaay too quiet. People even agreed with. I wanted him to post D1.
2) When nothing happened D2, I initiated the vote on him for two reasons: a) to get Raz to participate and b) to see if anyone would jump on my lame arse "case".
3) Raz comes in drunk doing himself no favours by refusing to claim at L-2.
4) Raz then indirectly says that he is town. A few minutes after he refuses to have ever claimed such a thing.
5) Raz gets a boner saying that he has found "his evil twin" (or whatever it was), which would mean - as I can understand on the dudes having watched the show - that he would be The Tick. Which again would mean that The Tick is not town. Aforementioned dudes can't see that.

Now, besides not participating a lot, Raz has committed a series of offenses as described above. I would lynch him based on that in any game. Right now, however, all I need him to do is to claim and at least see if he can fix some of the holes in his major clusterfudge of a story.

So, I ask again: What do you want from me?

(Part of) raz's defense is that some other 3P is out to lynch him for their own good. We have concluded that he meant you, do you deny these allegations?

Look, I trust you way more than Raz, but you are also the more experienced player here and Raz is kinda digging his own grave so if he speaks the truth there was no need for you to respond. That's why I wanted you to respond and this posts already goes a long way even if it's a summary.

That being said, after this post of yours Raz came in a bunch, denied contradicting himself (while also not mentioning the other option that was proposed if he really wasnt contradicting himself) and hinting at the thing I suggested (lovers). It's less strong of an argument if you take someone else's posts and crypticly reference it.

go on.. get me to 10 votes and see if I'm lynched

This is something that can be proven

Okidoki, there's a point to how much you can try to threaten town as a defense. I still want to lynch sonic as much as the next person. The thing that almost kept me from voting you is that Loose could hammer you, but there's not a lot of useful stuff coming out of your posts anyway.

unvote vote raz

Ha! I didn't see this "I still want to lynch sonic as much as the next person."

That sounds better to me

[SoN!c]

I said before if Raz was lying that balloon he blew so fast so big could be popped easy. Now he changes story..

I believed him for 2 reason: the very big soft claim and the fact he is the head chatter. You would expect the head chatter to be a bit more standfast?

Don't like it and i have to say Traf is asking a good question that Raz is not answering.

Currently Raz has 5 votes:

Razorvich : 5 (Ragian, DirtyDishSoap, PepeAtila, TrafalgarLaw01, swang918)

Extreme and Pix have joined in on Raz

Ragian says Raz needs 11 votes. I don't get that if Ragian doens't know something just like Raz said?

But since i think it's a bluffpoker game on Raz im gonna call the bluf

vote Raz