The Tick Mafia - JUSTICE PREVAILS!

[Extreme Ways]

My character for it makes sense, since he's largely useless.

Anywho, sorry about the drunken post. Don't drink and mafia, kids.

I'm not exactly following the pressure on Strike though? That seems to be an incredibly flimsy argument. And against Sonic, well, aside from alot of superfluous text that you have to sift through, nothing he has had said had a positive impact on town from start to finish. Again, though, I'd like to steer clear from either since one is pretty clear to be town and the other is basically like Loose, so scummy he's town. Like I said, if I have to peg anyone, it's going to be one of our less active players.

And as for Charles death, as I mentioned earlier, I likely was targeted but I hid so the shot missed, which would explain the one kill N1. As for Charles kill in of itself, it does appear to be random. As does Dukes. It fits the M/O, which again, why I stated that Dukes was a scum kill, and Loose was shot by our Vig and Fusi (Scummy Scummer) was killed by SK/Arson.

I'm not entirely sure what else can be drawn from this unless someone reveals that Strike had indeed visited Charle N1.

Nah, Pix is claiming (and strike confirmed) that Strike visited Sonic N1. The argument is that they think he therefore shouldnt have pushed Sonic d2.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Ooooh. Reading difficult, brain slow.

That doesn't mean Sonic is in the clear. Very similar case happened with Fusi in Elementary, and even then, Sonic hasn't exactly been helping himself. I remember Strike saying he isn't a cop, and I'm sure if I read it more closely, I could make an educated guess. Still, alot of this against Strike seems pretty unsubstantial.

[swang918]

My character for it makes sense, since he's largely useless.

Anywho, sorry about the drunken post. Don't drink and mafia, kids.

I'm not exactly following the pressure on Strike though? That seems to be an incredibly flimsy argument. And against Sonic, well, aside from alot of superfluous text that you have to sift through, nothing he has had said had a positive impact on town from start to finish. Again, though, I'd like to steer clear from either since one is pretty clear to be town and the other is basically like Loose, so scummy he's town. Like I said, if I have to peg anyone, it's going to be one of our less active players.

And as for Charles death, as I mentioned earlier, I likely was targeted but I hid so the shot missed, which would explain the one kill N1. As for Charles kill in of itself, it does appear to be random. As does Dukes. It fits the M/O, which again, why I stated that Dukes was a scum kill, and Loose was shot by our Vig and Fusi (Scummy Scummer) was killed by SK/Arson.

I'm not entirely sure what else can be drawn from this unless someone reveals that Strike had indeed visited Charle N1.

Nah, Pix is claiming (and strike confirmed) that Strike visited Sonic N1. The argument is that they think he therefore shouldnt have pushed Sonic d2.

It's not just that Strike shouldn't have pushed Sonic D2. It's more than that.

1. We know strike visited Sonic N1.
2. We know Doc had reason to protect Sonic N1 (Doc Charle agreeing w sonic and saying he thought Sonic was cop, on D1)
3. We know Sonic didn't die D1, and that only 1 townie died.
4. We know it's possible scum can have 2 kill attempts/night because 2 townies died N2.
5. Therefore, it fits scum had 2 kills D1, that in addition to doc kill, strike tried to kill sonic N1 and failed because of Doc protection.

This is the theory as I put it together. That strike says he visited sonic, knows sonic didn't kill Charle, and still pressed sonic D2 is an addition to the theory that supports it. It's not the main argument.

[Extreme Ways]

Thanks for clarifying. Will read more tomorrow.

[strike wolf]

1. Yes I did.

2. Slightly speculative but actually pretty likely considering Charle's position.

3. True and undebateable.

4. Here's where it gets more speculative. You're speculating that mafia has an extra kill and used it n1. Mafia already had a role that could act for additional kills on Fusi. How many ways to kill do you think they have? 2 kills every night+Fusi's potential electrocution seems s bit unfair to toen and wed have to have some pretty powerful roles to make up for it. Would mafia use a limited kill You're speculating that I would aim for Son!c. Pretty high profile player who we now know was going after one confirmed town and Pixar who has claimed a town role with at least some backing. So was I trying to frame Loose/Pixar? I was against voting those two day 1. Why try to frame a death on them N2? I would have to rely on someone else in the mafia group to push them to not seem inconsistent, so who would that be? And do you see how we're going down the speculation rabbithole?

5. This is pretty much built on the speculation.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Think i more or less said that in my drunken state that it was nothing but conjecture.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Ok this might be a long one cause there are a lot of things That I think are worth mentioning and a few that should not be worth it but need to be addressed.

1) I believe Sonic claim as Die Fledermaus, and I also think he is 99% not mafia. NOW having said that, he is UNWILLINGLY playing for the mafia since D1, as I said before, an honest fool. As he said he left “hints” to his character as he role played and even wanted people to do so as well. Therefore he read too hard between lines thinking he might have found things that way.
I also have disliked his playstyle, he throws a lot of comments, twists things and gets tunneled into some other things, to then switch, and finally finding out he was mistaken, even though he says he found things on his own, but usually again not true. The Mafia must be delighted with his playstyle. Take Fusi for instance, he didn't have to cause any stir into town, guess what: there were already two guys doing the mafia job: Loose and Sonic. (There are a lot of proofs where he had set his mind in one fact that was proved false, but he comes everyday with things as if he was 100% sure - e.g. Loose was mafia first half of D2, Raz being the Tick, Fusi being Town) and it's really hard to get him into his senses. This was really long and also is the point that less info actually gives, but as most of the posts in this game have been around it, had to be addressed.

2) Ok, Now let’s try to actually analyze what is going on with some more substance. There has been a lot of claims or soft claims today:
Pix as tracker and most likely town, I believe his claim, fusi was trying to get him, also his move was confirmed and I already said he was getting more town views.
DDS as ghost - I believe this as well a bit less than the tracker but also believable, would explain why there was 1 death at N1, and why DDS is still alive. Shame he checked max, and well we already know Rag is town.
I understand Pepe just claimed town, not vig, but DDS said it, so not sure. I don’t have enough insight into pepe to actually know if he is or not, so remains neutral to me.

Strike did visit Sonic N1 - that is the only certain thing we know - Now there are two main theories: A) Strike tried to killed Sonic and was protected by Doc Charle B)he went there and he says he can only confirm Sonic did not directly killed Doc Charle.

I have already said I find it really unlikely Doc was able to successfully protect someone N1 - 1st I have read a lot of wikis and I didnt find anywhere that says that doc can protect someone the night it's killed. And secondly what would be the chances of the mafia trying to kill both doc and its target. Therefore I dont think Strike went N1 to kill Sonic, but at this point I believe we need more info for Strike as to what he was doing there.

Those were the claims we got so far.

So with this info and people's comments after it.

Town:
Traf
Ragian
Pixar


Townish: I mean not mafia - 3rd party not entirely discarded
DDS
Sonic

Neutral:
Traffic
Pepe
Charle - i don’t know why some people trust Charle as if he still was Doc Charle, we barely know anything about him, can be anything.
Darin44

Scummy-
Swang - His heavy going after strike and how he points out his point make me believe some ill-intention here, seems to try to hard to make the lynch with actually small evidence.
Bax - As I said before, much more active than in prison. He was cop there, could be more motivated - still don’t trust him much
EW -Surprise surprise - Well maybe this should go into a special case too, but I think EW has been saying the right things most of the time but this day I have seen 2 things that make me wonder. First he was quick to believe the theory that Doc Charle successfully protected someone N1, weird coming from his experience - 2) he still goes after Sonic (Don’t get me wrong I think he is mistaken in pretty much every appreciation, but it is very likely he is not mafia, so why try to still get something there)

Special case:
Strike - I feel Strike is being Honest he is not mafia, and I would put him as townish, ANd most of the votes against him come from scummy people or people that could be scummy and Sonic - So i think we need him to be honest about what was he doing in his visits.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Also knowing Loose flipped town, maybe could give a more credit to his claim of swang being scummy, but on the other hand he played so bad that I didnt added this in the last post.

[DirtyDishSoap]

I haven't seen a VC for a minute, but if you haven't yet, could you please vote so we can understand where you (saying you as a collective) stand in this current nonsense?

[SoN!c]

Ok this might be a long one cause there are a lot of things That I think are worth mentioning and a few that should not be worth it but need to be addressed.

1) I believe Sonic claim as Die Fledermaus, and I also think he is 99% not mafia. NOW having said that, he is UNWILLINGLY playing for the mafia since D1, as I said before, an honest fool. As he said he left “hints” to his character as he role played and even wanted people to do so as well. Therefore he read too hard between lines thinking he might have found things that way.
I also have disliked his playstyle, he throws a lot of comments, twists things and gets tunneled into some other things, to then switch, and finally finding out he was mistaken, even though he says he found things on his own, but usually again not true. The Mafia must be delighted with his playstyle. Take Fusi for instance, he didn't have to cause any stir into town, guess what: there were already two guys doing the mafia job: Loose and Sonic. (There are a lot of proofs where he had set his mind in one fact that was proved false, but he comes everyday with things as if he was 100% sure - e.g. Loose was mafia first half of D2, Raz being the Tick, Fusi being Town) and it's really hard to get him into his senses. This was really long and also is the point that less info actually gives, but as most of the posts in this game have been around it, had to be addressed.

2) Ok, Now let’s try to actually analyze what is going on with some more substance. There has been a lot of claims or soft claims today:
Pix as tracker and most likely town, I believe his claim, fusi was trying to get him, also his move was confirmed and I already said he was getting more town views.
DDS as ghost - I believe this as well a bit less than the tracker but also believable, would explain why there was 1 death at N1, and why DDS is still alive. Shame he checked max, and well we already know Rag is town.
I understand Pepe just claimed town, not vig, but DDS said it, so not sure. I don’t have enough insight into pepe to actually know if he is or not, so remains neutral to me.

Strike did visit Sonic N1 - that is the only certain thing we know - Now there are two main theories: A) Strike tried to killed Sonic and was protected by Doc Charle B)he went there and he says he can only confirm Sonic did not directly killed Doc Charle.

I have already said I find it really unlikely Doc was able to successfully protect someone N1 - 1st I have read a lot of wikis and I didnt find anywhere that says that doc can protect someone the night it's killed. And secondly what would be the chances of the mafia trying to kill both doc and its target. Therefore I dont think Strike went N1 to kill Sonic, but at this point I believe we need more info for Strike as to what he was doing there.

Those were the claims we got so far.

So with this info and people's comments after it.

Town:
Traf
Ragian
Pixar


Townish: I mean not mafia - 3rd party not entirely discarded
DDS
Sonic

Neutral:
Traffic
Pepe
Charle - i don’t know why some people trust Charle as if he still was Doc Charle, we barely know anything about him, can be anything.
Darin44

Scummy-
Swang - His heavy going after strike and how he points out his point make me believe some ill-intention here, seems to try to hard to make the lynch with actually small evidence.
Bax - As I said before, much more active than in prison. He was cop there, could be more motivated - still don’t trust him much
EW -Surprise surprise - Well maybe this should go into a special case too, but I think EW has been saying the right things most of the time but this day I have seen 2 things that make me wonder. First he was quick to believe the theory that Doc Charle successfully protected someone N1, weird coming from his experience - 2) he still goes after Sonic (Don’t get me wrong I think he is mistaken in pretty much every appreciation, but it is very likely he is not mafia, so why try to still get something there)

Special case:
Strike - I feel Strike is being Honest he is not mafia, and I would put him as townish, ANd most of the votes against him come from scummy people or people that could be scummy and Sonic - So i think we need him to be honest about what was he doing in his visits.

I chose my strategy from the start. The ony way i could help town and be on charcater was to find things out. What else, do nothing? Just sit and wait?
A) So others townies should get clue's where to search first
B) Drawing scum attention to me
C) I already explained lots of times that everything has a flip side. So the flip side gives information too.

Like Fusi steering me on Loose and Pixar. So i went after Loose and found out he is not mafia because he had no comms whatsoever and had a good idea who he was because he left clues like i did (but this was only after we had some solid strange things on Loose like his voteles count). So i stopped on Loose, the next logical move Fusi steered me into would be turn attention to Pixar and try to find out more there.

The flip side is: If Pix turned out town then we would have know (or could strongly suspect) FUSI was mafia and now Fusi is confirmed scum i believe the flip is both Pix and Loose are town. But Pixar would still be an easy target to lynch at that time.

Also i only wanted to find out more on strong suspects, not on everybody. Like Loose for good reason, there were 4 things on Loose that were solid facts and it was very frustrating people answered questions that were designed for him to answer. Everytime the momentum was build up and i could alsmost confirm my theory if Loose would answer somebody else answered for him. If not i would have found out on Loose a lot sooner. That was so frustrating. Please don't do that again.

Let the suspect answer the question first. If you answer for him you wil just say what you think is the obvious case and have found nothing more besides that. Wait until the suspect answered and check his answer with what you think is obvious and see if it matches or not please?. It has zero advantage to answer questions before the suspect answered them. In fact it only provides a good way out if he nervous about it and does not know what to answer without blowing his scum role.

Then about Raz and Ragian as the Evil twins that was something that was the next logical step out of Raz big soft claim.

And lastly you say this is not helping town but you have put EW on your possible scum list for it? Just saying.



Town:

Pixar
Ragian
Charle (altho Traf has a good point and we have to remember that)

Strange things:
DDS was on my town list but since the ghost-story that popped-up outa nowhere im having doubts. Also because he said he went after Max in N1. Could be a drunk confession is what im thinking.
EW, on the other had he is getting a lot of good points lately. There is just 1 post from him that reads a bit scummy to me:

I am not totally clear on Strike, a lot less clear than DDS at the moment. I'll have to re-read some stuff after chess tonight but with the exception of helping me push for Sonic D2, he seems very Town.

It doesn't help that 1 person has more info than others here but cannot share it. Strike confirms Pix's tracking, so if pix is scum then so is strike.

It's not out of the question that Strike is another visiting role, I find a roleblocker to be likely if not for the fact that neither pix nor sonic mentioned anything.

Perhaps we do need more info from Strike, but we have a few roles out in the open right now:
Vigi
Phantom
Tracker
Some visiting role for SW
(And maybe some that I am missing)

Now my inexperience might show, but perhaps I too should reveal more about the things I have learned throughout the night?

I am also wondering when someone will claim the smoke bomb. Unless you have more abilities I think having more confirmed town who have no other powers would be welcome.

Sounds like EW wants to hear who are powerless townies?. This post does not "read EW" to me.

But that is the only one lately.

And i tend to believe Strike yes, gut feeling his answers were upright. Just waiting on Pix here.

Strike also said a good thing: All The Tick roles seem to be minor roles. I was thinking we had all the good roles in the game for sure Especially on the mafia side.
Fusi as Shiela Eel (Shiela Eel was a guest at Chairface Chippendale's) suprised me. There are so many strong evil characters in The Tick that i was thinking we had all best in here. That does not seem to be the case. Very usefull lead.

I do believe every character is related to his most famous quote in the wiki like Loose was " This looks like a job for Bi-Polar Bear! But I just can't seem to get out of bed this month."
Loose was bi-polar like hell. Started to Love it.

Again as town we need to get united.

PS: On the smokebomb, i think it was a mod triggered event.

[SoN!c]

PS- about Strike his idea im 3p that needs to survive.. i would play it totaly different then :

In that case i would Stay neutral on pretty much everything, never would draw attention to me, don't posting much just enough so others won't find it suspicious, make only friends, kissing ass if needed to...


Im town.

[Extreme Ways]

FP Sonic, so why not address his posts as well.

Sounds like EW wants to hear who are powerless townies?. This post does not "read EW" to me.

But that is the only one lately.

Quite the opposite! I think we have powerful town roles outed already, so revealing more powerful roles is not as damaging. Nobody agreed with me though, so I'll let it rest.

Smoke bomb mod triggered event

No, thats not how Mafia works.

Scummy-
Swang - His heavy going after strike and how he points out his point make me believe some ill-intention here, seems to try to hard to make the lynch with actually small evidence.
Bax - As I said before, much more active than in prison. He was cop there, could be more motivated - still don’t trust him much
EW -Surprise surprise - Well maybe this should go into a special case too, but I think EW has been saying the right things most of the time but this day I have seen 2 things that make me wonder. First he was quick to believe the theory that Doc Charle successfully protected someone N1, weird coming from his experience - 2) he still goes after Sonic (Don’t get me wrong I think he is mistaken in pretty much every appreciation, but it is very likely he is not mafia, so why try to still get something there)

Special case:
Strike - I feel Strike is being Honest he is not mafia, and I would put him as townish, ANd most of the votes against him come from scummy people or people that could be scummy and Sonic - So i think we need him to be honest about what was he doing in his visits.

Wait what?

I have never claimed to 'believe' the theory that Doc Charle protected someone, I think. I have elaborated for others what I thought what the main argument was of the group pushing Strike, I never presented it as my own (and am as such also not voting on strike). I said the story made sense, and immediately after said I didnt believe that mafia would have 2 NKs.

Ok I had a superlong day, but managed to rea you guys, but will need a re-read. For now I believe Pix Claim as Tracker. Strike not sure about the role he is soft claiming, will have to look what it is.
Saying all that swang stikes as quite scummy, with his all in attack. And remebered someone said Fusi did ignore the swang wagon.
Hopefully I'll get a better read with a rested head.

Swang's story does make sense, we don't know who Doc protected (and this is why any Charle opinion on this is a heated one). I dont think maf has 2 NKs though, at least not every night.

I also totally missed the vigi soft despite reading over it, so much for "experienced player"

The smoking gun for that ability is that i could use it as an investigate and if i die, that person is scum.

Correct me if I'm wrong: you are a phantom-like role that dies upon visiting scum. Meaning you've had 2 nights on which you've not visited scum, meaning there's 2 confirmed townies in there unless mafia has a re-director?

I have at this point multiple times claimed that Sonic is not mafia. I have pushed others away from the thought that Sonic is mafia. Not just in 1 post, but in multiple. I dont know where you're getting this from.

[Charle]

I strongly believe Sonic is town. Obviously did the doc protect somebody at N1, that was his only ability.

I am still with Swang's theory, and would like to get more out of Strike if he is not scum, which I believe he is at this point.

[Ragian]

So Strike is scum because he visited Son!c N1, and there was only one death N1 as opposed to N2? What a BS argument. 2nd death could be anything but that. It's highly unlikely that the doc got it right out of 18 N1.

I'm not in on the Strike case.

[Charle]

So Strike is scum because he visited Son!c N1, and there was only one death N1 as opposed to N2? What a BS argument. 2nd death could be anything but that. It's highly unlikely that the doc got it right out of 18 N1.

I'm not in on the Strike case.

Strike visited Sonic to kill him and the doc saved him before he (the doc) was killed. Why is this so unlikely?

[degaston]

Vote Count:

strike wolf : 5 (*Pixar*, swang918, SoN!c, Charle, PepeAtila)
Extreme Ways : 1 (traffic133)
General Bax : 1 (DirtyDishSoap)

No Vote : 6 (Darin44, Extreme Ways, General Bax, Ragian, strike wolf, TrafalgarLaw01)

13 Alive, 7 votes needed to lynch

[TrafalgarLaw01]

For EW

Before I state my case, is it possible even though the doc died on N1, that his protection worked before he died?

-Also sorry for delay response and I'm trying to catch up. Over the weekend had a funeral and someone in my family got me with a head cold. Must be going around if Son!c had it too.

it does

I haven't found a place where states this is possible, could you show it to me?

Ok I had a superlong day, but managed to rea you guys, but will need a re-read. For now I believe Pix Claim as Tracker. Strike not sure about the role he is soft claiming, will have to look what it is.
Saying all that swang stikes as quite scummy, with his all in attack. And remebered someone said Fusi did ignore the swang wagon.
Hopefully I'll get a better read with a rested head.

Swang's story does make sense, we don't know who Doc protected (and this is why any Charle opinion on this is a heated one). I dont think maf has 2 NKs though, at least not every night.

I also totally missed the vigi soft despite reading over it, so much for "experienced player"

The smoking gun for that ability is that i could use it as an investigate and if i die, that person is scum.

Correct me if I'm wrong: you are a phantom-like role that dies upon visiting scum. Meaning you've had 2 nights on which you've not visited scum, meaning there's 2 confirmed townies in there unless mafia has a re-director?

This are the the two quotes, that get my attention. Maybe you don't say it was like it, but you give fuel to the theory. This is what concerns me

As for u with Sonic - I know u said he is town, and I actually don't blame you on pointing out his nonsense, as he keeps coming after you, so its more like you got drown in it, so not really important this point.

[*Pixar*]

Would like to see some sort of claim out of Strike though, being 2 votes away from being lynched...

[TrafalgarLaw01]

So Strike is scum because he visited Son!c N1, and there was only one death N1 as opposed to N2? What a BS argument. 2nd death could be anything but that. It's highly unlikely that the doc got it right out of 18 N1.

I'm not in on the Strike case.

Strike visited Sonic to kill him and the doc saved him before he (the doc) was killed. Why is this so unlikely?

In case someone missread this - New Charle is not confirming Doc Charle visited Sonic.
I believe new Charle is using his position trying to support people that plays for his new role. And its starting to be suspicious.

I'm not saying it's unlikely that Doc went to protect Sonic - but also its not certain - the unlikely thing is the protection going through. Take the cop for instance - I was cop in Prison game - I went to visit andrei - he was on guard so I got killed - I didnt got any info - I jsut got death notification - If a player its death most likely their action did not went through

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Would like to see some sort of claim out of Strike though, being 2 votes away from being lynched...

Agree here

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I chose my strategy from the start. The ony way i could help town and be on charcater was to find things out. What else, do nothing? Just sit and wait?
A) So others townies should get clue's where to search first
B) Drawing scum attention to me
C) I already explained lots of times that everything has a flip side. So the flip side gives information too.

Like Fusi steering me on Loose and Pixar. So i went after Loose and found out he is not mafia because he had no comms whatsoever and had a good idea who he was because he left clues like i did (but this was only after we had some solid strange things on Loose like his voteles count). So i stopped on Loose, the next logical move Fusi steered me into would be turn attention to Pixar and try to find out more there.

The flip side is: If Pix turned out town then we would have know (or could strongly suspect) FUSI was mafia and now Fusi is confirmed scum i believe the flip is both Pix and Loose are town. But Pixar would still be an easy target to lynch at that time.

Also i only wanted to find out more on strong suspects, not on everybody. Like Loose for good reason, there were 4 things on Loose that were solid facts and it was very frustrating people answered questions that were designed for him to answer. Everytime the momentum was build up and i could alsmost confirm my theory if Loose would answer somebody else answered for him. If not i would have found out on Loose a lot sooner. That was so frustrating. Please don't do that again.

Let the suspect answer the question first. If you answer for him you wil just say what you think is the obvious case and have found nothing more besides that. Wait until the suspect answered and check his answer with what you think is obvious and see if it matches or not please?. It has zero advantage to answer questions before the suspect answered them. In fact it only provides a good way out if he nervous about it and does not know what to answer without blowing his scum role.

Then about Raz and Ragian as the Evil twins that was something that was the next logical step out of Raz big soft claim.

And lastly you say this is not helping town but you have put EW on your possible scum list for it? Just saying.



Town:

Pixar
Ragian
Charle (altho Traf has a good point and we have to remember that)

Strange things:
DDS was on my town list but since the ghost-story that popped-up outa nowhere im having doubts. Also because he said he went after Max in N1. Could be a drunk confession is what im thinking.
EW, on the other had he is getting a lot of good points lately. There is just 1 post from him that reads a bit scummy to me:

I am not totally clear on Strike, a lot less clear than DDS at the moment. I'll have to re-read some stuff after chess tonight but with the exception of helping me push for Sonic D2, he seems very Town.

It doesn't help that 1 person has more info than others here but cannot share it. Strike confirms Pix's tracking, so if pix is scum then so is strike.

It's not out of the question that Strike is another visiting role, I find a roleblocker to be likely if not for the fact that neither pix nor sonic mentioned anything.

Perhaps we do need more info from Strike, but we have a few roles out in the open right now:
Vigi
Phantom
Tracker
Some visiting role for SW
(And maybe some that I am missing)

Now my inexperience might show, but perhaps I too should reveal more about the things I have learned throughout the night?

I am also wondering when someone will claim the smoke bomb. Unless you have more abilities I think having more confirmed town who have no other powers would be welcome.

Sounds like EW wants to hear who are powerless townies?. This post does not "read EW" to me.

But that is the only one lately.

And i tend to believe Strike yes, gut feeling his answers were upright. Just waiting on Pix here.

Strike also said a good thing: All The Tick roles seem to be minor roles. I was thinking we had all the good roles in the game for sure Especially on the mafia side.
Fusi as Shiela Eel (Shiela Eel was a guest at Chairface Chippendale's) suprised me. There are so many strong evil characters in The Tick that i was thinking we had all best in here. That does not seem to be the case. Very usefull lead.

I do believe every character is related to his most famous quote in the wiki like Loose was " This looks like a job for Bi-Polar Bear! But I just can't seem to get out of bed this month."
Loose was bi-polar like hell. Started to Love it.

Again as town we need to get united.

PS: On the smokebomb, i think it was a mod triggered event.

The problem is that you make the wrong questions and also state things as if they were facts, and then believing anyone who question you are suspicious. - As I said, Fusi didnt have to say anything about you- why? cause u were doing a great job for mafia going after Loose, then with the whole the Tick -raz thing, etc. I believe you want to find info, but its the way you present it and the actual info you believe that has been hindering town imo.

Why let breadcrums and trying to find people did too - if mafia is tick versed could be very dangerous play.
Its also like, you are one of the players that strongly belive New Charle - why?
Why ask 5 times the same thing about N1 doc charle death, when a lot of players had answer that.

[SoN!c]

So Strike is scum because he visited Son!c N1, and there was only one death N1 as opposed to N2? What a BS argument. 2nd death could be anything but that. It's highly unlikely that the doc got it right out of 18 N1.

I'm not in on the Strike case.

Strike visited Sonic to kill him and the doc saved him before he (the doc) was killed. Why is this so unlikely?

Im with Charle here. "Strike visited Sonic to kill him and the doc saved him before he (the doc) was killed." Afterall This is coming from the reïncarnated version of the Doc...c'mon what more do you want? Now i know Charle can"t say anything about what happened to Doc that night but surely he could know if the possibility exist just "yes or no" like he is saying right now (doc saving me after a strike on me in N1 -sorry for the word choice Strike- and he says it's possible "Why is this so unlikely?"

Doc said he believed i was cop D1 so he would have protected me and im still alive. Thats a good theory right?
"Each night, a Doctor chooses a player to protect." (this comes straith out the mafia wiki page "wiki.mafiascum" so don't tell me it's not possible)

The only thing we don't know for sure is if Strike made a strike on me or not.
But if he did it explains why there was only one death. And why Strike kept coming for me on D2 to see me getting lynched.
The flip on all of this would have to be so unlikely it would be very far-fetched and hard to believe.

This is what we have (solid cemented bricks) to build on:

Strike said himself "I am not softclaiming Cop. I Am Not The Cop. All I confirmed was that I visited Son!c night 1 and that in some capacity allows me to know that he did not personally kill Charle N1. I can also say that Pixar was most likely not responsible for any of the N2 kills".

Look at this point i believe it comes down to Strike being mafia or town. And Pix has very good reasons to go after Strike and find out. The reasoning and observations against Strike are clearly brought (strike already admitted the observations) and well founded. Unlike Strike saying "i don't like his playstyle" when explaining why he was targetting me.

If we start from scenario A:
Strike is town: then both Pix and Strike are town :
Townie Strike visited me to find something out and Townie Pix visited Strike to find something out. Townie Strike kept coming for me on D2 after he found out i did not kill the Doc. I mean he admits he knew i had zero activity overnight on N1 like a townie would, and that would be so unlike mafia not having any night activity but he kept coming for me on D2? "because i don't like his playstyle".
If you find out on N1 "due to your special ability" i did not do anything you would think you'd know chances are extreme high im town and not scum i'd say.
Then Strike Said Doc was a random kill "can't remember he stood out" and that's that. But the story rattles a bit to say the least.
Strike says he knows for sure because he has "some special capacity" that allows him to know that i did not kill Charle N1. Said that a few times.
Then if that is true Strike would have some power doing just that. But on his second visit (Pixar on N2) he says "I can also say that Pixar was most likely not responsible for any of the N2 kills"
How can you be sure because you have a special power on N1 visit but unsure and going from "sure" to "most likely" on N2 visit?. I would think your "special ability", if true, works the same on either night no?
You can't swing from "sure" in case A to "most likely" in case B.

Scenario B: Strike is mafia; it would explain why there was only 1 mafia kill in N1, exactly what Pix told in the thread that very morning. And on N2 we found out for sure scum can kill 2 a night. The only logic is that on N1 one of those kills got blocked.
And Strike is what we have to explain just that. Short and simple.

[DirtyDishSoap]

So Strike is scum because he visited Son!c N1, and there was only one death N1 as opposed to N2? What a BS argument. 2nd death could be anything but that. It's highly unlikely that the doc got it right out of 18 N1.

I'm not in on the Strike case.

This.

[Extreme Ways]

FP Sonic. Headache today, so not going into that post except mentioning that Strike and Charle seem to have opposite alignments.

For EW

Before I state my case, is it possible even though the doc died on N1, that his protection worked before he died?

-Also sorry for delay response and I'm trying to catch up. Over the weekend had a funeral and someone in my family got me with a head cold. Must be going around if Son!c had it too.

it does

I haven't found a place where states this is possible, could you show it to me?

on mafia.gg it worked like this, but I guess it depends on the order of operations. In my real-life mafia-like games, mafia was always the last one to kill. Thus Doc resolved first. Perhaps this is an @Dega question considering it's about the mechanics of our game.

In elementary, you coudl see it when Doc protected himself - mafia kill goes first then by definition this wouldnt be possible, but there it was both allowed and possible.

Ok I had a superlong day, but managed to rea you guys, but will need a re-read. For now I believe Pix Claim as Tracker. Strike not sure about the role he is soft claiming, will have to look what it is.
Saying all that swang stikes as quite scummy, with his all in attack. And remebered someone said Fusi did ignore the swang wagon.
Hopefully I'll get a better read with a rested head.

Swang's story does make sense, we don't know who Doc protected (and this is why any Charle opinion on this is a heated one). I dont think maf has 2 NKs though, at least not every night.

I also totally missed the vigi soft despite reading over it, so much for "experienced player"

The smoking gun for that ability is that i could use it as an investigate and if i die, that person is scum.

Correct me if I'm wrong: you are a phantom-like role that dies upon visiting scum. Meaning you've had 2 nights on which you've not visited scum, meaning there's 2 confirmed townies in there unless mafia has a re-director?

This are the the two quotes, that get my attention. Maybe you don't say it was like it, but you give fuel to the theory. This is what concerns me

As for u with Sonic - I know u said he is town, and I actually don't blame you on pointing out his nonsense, as he keeps coming after you, so its more like you got drown in it, so not really important this point.

Ok, I understand. I mistook "going after Sonic" as "trying to get Sonic lynched". I still disagree, but alas.

As for Strike, I'm afraid we are indeed going to need more of a claim. I'm very confused about how to take Charle's statement and I am inclined to agree with Traf here, but if Strike flips mafia then any push on Charle will immediately gain momentum to divert from Strike. I'm seeing 1 between Charle and Strike right now, and I think Strike's role checks meta-information about another person's role. I am thinking he is a Bishop, or something similar:

Each night, may visit a player and discover sins they commit that night

If the sinner kills another, they will be guilty of Wrath

If the sinner converts or is converted, they will be guilty of Heresy

If the sinner blocks another’s night action or has their night action blocked, they will be guilty of Sloth

Only successful sins will be discovered and brought to the light

[Extreme Ways]

Not sure who to pivot to when this loses momentum. I'm thinking Swang or Charle, but not sure which. Swang seems more scummish but I did directly claim that if Strike is town, Charle is very very likely scum.