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i-andrei wrote:TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:cdbridges wrote:joshzam wrote:It's hard to apply any calculation you may have found to our game because we don't know how many Town and how many Scum there are here. Also, calculations just don't usually hold up in Mafia, as it's more of a game of intuition, vibe, and trust. I've never seen a convincing argument to always or never lynch on day 1.
I do find it interesting that there are 23 inmates and 24 in the game. Some sort of special "warden" or "God" role maybe? Could it be third-party? Any thoughts?
Someone must have been here already when we were dropped. Who was that? Let's search the place if no one volunteers. We should know that person's story.
Is someone sentenced for life? Like maybe there we could find a reason for someone killing the other inmates
What do you mean?
Ragian wrote:Be careful with revealing too much about your roles, guys. Let's say that we could actually deduce scum based on roles/sentence lengths/crimes. In that case, you should not feed scum breadcrumbs about your roles because they'll copy it to fit. Keep your roles and what not to yourself, at least until we've decided collectively on revealing e.g. sentences.
i-andrei wrote:Ragian wrote:Be careful with revealing too much about your roles, guys. Let's say that we could actually deduce scum based on roles/sentence lengths/crimes. In that case, you should not feed scum breadcrumbs about your roles because they'll copy it to fit. Keep your roles and what not to yourself, at least until we've decided collectively on revealing e.g. sentences.
True, Dunk seems Pyro and Traf maybe some sort of Lawyer.
Either way, considering what Dunk said and the sentence, it looks like a legit vote.
So Dunk, anything in your defense?
pershy wrote:We still have time on D1 to wait for all to speak and start seriously talking about lynching. Generally it is considered that lynching on D1 is a good idea for town although it's unlikely you will get scum - but it does give info - i.e. the vote list and who may have bandwagoned etc.
However we have a lot of power roles in here probably so maybe a lynch is not so necessary as we can still get intel from night actions. Mafia are probably powerful too though in this game and could have all sorts of powers.
D1 is very difficult to get anything good going regarding getting a good mafia lynch and we will need to hear from everyone first (and read through a few times to try and start remembering names - it's all a blur for me with so many new peeps to get to know which is nice too. I can only place a light FOS (finger of suspicion) on Pixar at this point who just seemed a bit eager to get a vote train going and very early, but again it's only a light one.
And i-andrei got a note like me so I'm assuming for now he's town - if it is indeed a town power which I think it is. In fact maybe Pixar is 3rd party rather than scum - that business about pointing the finger - could it refer to him? I'd have to read through again - there are prob lots of fingers being pointed but it's difficult to draw conclusions.
I don't think mafia will be able to communicate during the day - although I have known of 1 game where they could. That would be pretty powerful but I don't think it'll be the case this game - they may have other power like cleaner etc. (cleans the identity of a dead player so we don't know his role/affiliation the next day when he's found dead). That's just an example but there are many powerful mafia roles - godfather for example comes up innocent on inspection. Then there are 3rd party like serial killers etc. 3rd party can be harmful to town as they have their own win condition, or can benefit town in some cases. Usually they are not up to much good but who knows with this game. Will be fun to start figuring it out.
Everyone respond and let us know if you are scum or not scum please. I'll start
pershy - not scum
You always learn something from a flip. And it's day 1 - there's not much concrete information to go on anyway. I'm not suggesting that we just railroad a no-show and hammer them, but I don't want it to be easy for scum to just sit back and let the townies do their work for them. And it might get someone to start participating.Ragian wrote:Also, I'm against lynching a no show. We learn nothing from the flip, their interaction during the day, and effectively the bandwagon is free. We MUST have everyone participating.
*Pixar* wrote:If I was SCUM I know myself I would be trying to get rid of the players with the most mafia experience (Ragian, you, josh) ya know the TNC days .
joshzam wrote:Do we know if Mafia can chat together during the day?
pershy wrote:This is not a mafia ability normally but I seem to remember one game where there was some kind of day communication - maybe one of the political ones?
Anyway this seemingly innocent qu. kinda seemed scummy to me - like a scum player trying to appear town. Doesn't seem like a legit townie qu from an experienced player after second thoughts although I thought nothing of it on first glance, but it did niggle at me.
Again, just a light FOS at this point.
From the game notes, everyone has a power role, so that's not saying anything.joshzam wrote:Further thoughts: Dunk90 essentially soft claimed a power role. That was dangerous. But there's no reason to think it's God Father, and thinking that Scum would admit anything is naive.
Everyone has a power role, so if we never force a power role to claim, then we don't lynch anyone and Mafia wins. Also, with this many players and everyone having a role, we may have multiple protecting, redirecting and investigating roles that can prevent them from being night-killed, or provide useful information if they are.joshzam wrote:I have no strong opinions about Day 1 lynches in general, but it has been stated that there are many power roles in this game so I am therefore inclined to not risk losing one by lynching without a just cause. And if we force a power role to claim on D1 and then spare their life, they're doomed to be night killed anyway.
joshzam wrote:AND... TheJMac asked pershy some very good questions about his note that pershy never answered. Who sent you the message? How/When was it received? These valuable questions were simply ignored and I don't know why. Again, you've already shared info, why not just make it complete? The pershy note (and the Mod's recent note) are the most concrete info we have received thus far and I think we need to seriously scrutinize and try to decipher them. I love a good code/mystery in my Mafia.
pershy wrote:here it is again - to me it hints to 3rd party roles - "fence sitters" so neither town nor scum - and maybe they know something we don't. Also seems to hint to someone pointing the finger as panicking - i.e. not town. Possibly hints to a death before D1 is up.
I tried to see if I could find any secret messages in the lower/upper case patterns but couldn't.
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And now we have the shouter guy as well.
These could be for flavour too but seems a wasted opportunity if there is not some hidden good intel in them.
degaston wrote:From the game notes, everyone has a power role, so that's not saying anything.
This game, ALL will have some sort of a power role
There are NO Vanilla roles
SCUM.... TOWN ... and 3RD PARTY
degaston wrote:Everyone has a power role, so if we never force a power role to claim, then we don't lynch anyone and Mafia wins. Also, with this many players and everyone having a role, we may have multiple protecting, redirecting and investigating roles that can prevent them from being night-killed, or provide useful information if they are.
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