Prison Mafia TOWN WIN !!

[degaston]

And btw, my scummy lists below, and some of my reasoning behind it.
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3. cdbridges
- he doesn't get night actions, only info he shared

He claimed to be an attorney. Assuming that means the Mafia.gg role of "Defense Attorney", then he could easily prove it, at the cost of losing his power for the following day. It doesn't seem like that would be a huge loss to town, though.

[fusibaseball]

Ok...sorry in advance for the long post, but this is where I'm currently at. It seems like we are entering the height of the game where each day there is going to be a lot of information to synthesize. If you don't feel like reading my essay, skip to the bottom for my current vote.

#1) I think Town has enough leads and suspicious targets that we should definitely lynch again before our Day 3 timeframe closes. I just rechecked, and we had a 7-day cap on Day 1. Day 3 started at midnight of the 26th. So we have roughly 5 days to get our sh*t together on the votes.

#2) Pixar has been the focal point and I personally have found him to be...confusing.

How are you on Pixar, Deg?

He's about in the middle for me. I give him some credit for being on both halrob votes. (though not too much, because it was pretty obvious that he was a lost cause, and could try to get some town credit by voting for him) I'm also generally happy with his activity level, and want to hear what else he has to say.

While I tend to agree, I think it's important to consider the target of the vote and his/her status amongst the group. Pixar's Day 2 vote is indeed not informative or telling because Halrob was a lost cause by that point. But, I do think Day 1 actions are telling because I have a hard time believing that any player, regardless of their capability for deception, would vote for a member of their coalition that fast:

LETS PRESSURE THIS FOOL.

Unvote Dunk

Vote Halrob

Halrob was pretty much a lost cause by Day 2, but I think the situation was still salvageable for his Mafia company Day 1, so I find it hard to believe that Pixar would be that quick to turn on a member of his coalition. If you go back and read through the meat of Day 1, Pixar's allegiance to Mafia just...doesn't make the most sense.

Now, I agree that he is probably not town given the useful information Maxleod and pershy have shared. This leads me to concur that Pixar is third party. Andrei, I agree that Pixar has been caught in a web of confusing statements and lies, but this may be the result of him panicking under the pressure a bit and sharing half-truths and incriminating himself.

I don't know how to interpret all this silencing going on. Perhaps he has a third party accomplice accompanying him on night actions (cult?) responsible for the silencing. His silencing of players who, to me, seem Town is anti-Town, but his activity level and willingness to contribute to votes is pro-Town, which leaves me at a completely neutral stance on him.

#3) I think Pepe is Town's safest choice for a lynch Day 3, but also struggle with this:

Pepe is high on my scum list, mostly for his refusal to switch his vote yesterday, but trying to lynch him while he can't claim or defend himself seems scummy as well.

He stood out like a sore thumb on Day 2 and is always a "fallback" option, so if time is really running out, I'd vote him in a heartbeat. I also don't consider Pepe a deceptive or complicated player, so if Town can get a more dangerous player's number down, I'd tend to favor that.

#4) So then we get to "The Quiet Group". Something I'm learning as I go through my first Mafia game is that Town's strongest tool to win the game is information sharing, being investigative, contributing, and voting. Players who are Town and don't vote are as good as Mafia. Through your inactivity, you allow your fellow Townies to die each night and essentially work for the opposing team. These are the 4 players who did not meaningfully contribute to the Day 2 Lynch:

1) cdbridges -> Defense Attorney/Warden (suggested to "search the premises for existing players" immediately Day 1 when it has now been revealed we have a Ghost...that seems oddly knowledgeable and quick. Also peculiarly disinterested in contributing to votes which seems non-Town).
2) Dukasaur -> Pershy's ability seems incredibly useful for Town, if each day a player is "brainwashed" and has to say how they view themselves in the public thread for collective knowledge. If Dukasaur's post is indeed how he views himself, to me is cleared for the time being.
3) General Bax
4) TheJMac -> Bandwagon on an already-lynched player is SUPER suspicious as others have pointed out, but prior to that I thought his posts came across as honest. He posted a full "brain dump" on his Day 2 thoughts and I found most of his conclusions to be reasonable and insightful.

#5) And then we have Bax. Let's look collectively at what he has contributed to the group:

Day 1 contribution:

well, know i'm innocent, but i'm willing to make an offer no one can refuse...

Did not vote at all. Low-grade suspicion for me.

Day 2 contribution:

having a power does not meant you HAVE to use it.

sometimes restraint is no less powerful.

the information i learned last night is already out in the thread.

Still no voting. Actively suspicious in my book.

Day 3 contribution:

I did not vote for the lynch because it was just no-sense brut force, as the late lynched participant could have been town or scum - no one knows.

I don't think the present data can support any intelligent informed decision as of yet, and therefore unless some substantive evidence miraculously appear, I believe it would be wiser to wait for day 4 prior to any more lynch parades.

Continues to show zero interest in voting. DEFINITELY suspicious in my book. This player is lying through his teeth or has no clue what's going on if he thinks there was no evidence to support the vote on Halrob. Even if he flipped Town after a town lynch, he's not a loss toward Town's efforts to win.

I would prefer to get out one of "The Quiet Group" as I consider them more indirectly dangerous to Town. But, if we can't come together on a vote, I think a last-ditch effort to get out Pepe is also in order.
Vote General Bax.

[actorday]

Apologies for not posting in the past while. I am new to this game and am trying to learn from the best we have here. I did vote for HalRob and am leaning on voting for a lynch again today. I am Townie through and through btw. People ar starting to make some sense of this crazy place and I will be trying to contribute more as we go along. Townies unite!!

[actorday]

After going through all the posts I missed for the past two days ending with fusibaseball comments I am leaning towards General Bax as well. VOTE General Bax

[i-andrei]

While i still don't trust Pixar, i agree that people who haven't contributed with info, discussion or votes are likely mafia sided.

Unvote

Vote General Bax[/quote]

[i-andrei]

Unvote

Vote General Bax

[degaston]

Going through D3 posts, I noticed this:

I've now pieced together a few things given Halrob has flipped Mafia:
A) I think the first action that occurred was Law using his Detective ability to look up Halrob as he was already the majority vote and acting suspicious Day 1
B) This triggered Halrob's Informant ability and they learned that Law had knowledge of his allegiance

but:

Informant: Each day, learns which players from their faction have been investigated by Cop and Cop variants

So if Razor is following Mafia.gg, then they should only have learned that halrob was investigated (assuming that is who he investigated - Law's vote was still on Dunk at the end of the day), NOT that it was Law who investigated him. And that information wouldn't normally get to them until the start of D2 - after Law was killed.

C) Mafia targets Law for their Day 1 kill

(I assume you meant N1 kill) If it was mafia that killed him, then I think they just got lucky.

[Dunk90]

I vote LYNCH GENERAL BAX. Let's see what happens

[degaston]

I thought fusi's last post was very good, and will probably vote for General Bax if nothing better comes up.

But I'd still like DukeHazzard and Maxleod to answer my questions before a lynch.
I also think Darin44 has been suspiciously quiet, and there hasn't been much mention of him.

[Maxleod]

I'm not convinced Bax is scum. I need to do a second read. And what questions did you have for me degaston? If it's about Pixar I'm afraid I don't have any more info to share. Pepe is silenced and I don't see real reasons to lynch him. On the contrary, I see ONE good reason NOT to lynch him (apart from the silenced thing), IIRC Pixar was the first to cast doubts on Pepe. A way to deflect?

[Maxleod]

I also think Darin44 has been suspiciously quiet, and there hasn't been much mention of him.

Good point.

[Razorvich]

The same voice is heard once again bellowing from the cells

His message:

"Hello fellow Cons.
It's so funny to read all that is transpiring and know what's going on.
Some of you are very very hot.
Others conspire to make themselves cold and unnoticed.
Hiding out in plain site is an art.
Perestroika is an artform.
The artists are painting someone into a corner.
Beware. Cornered animals tend to lash out."

[degaston]

I'm not convinced Bax is scum. I need to do a second read. And what questions did you have for me degaston? If it's about Pixar I'm afraid I don't have any more info to share. Pepe is silenced and I don't see real reasons to lynch him. On the contrary, I see ONE good reason NOT to lynch him (apart from the silenced thing), IIRC Pixar was the first to cast doubts on Pepe. A way to deflect?

Yes, the questions were about Pixar, but assuming you've caught up with his posts, Is there anything about his claim that would be contradicted by what you saw?

A couple of other questions:
Why was your first post "Meow"?
Is there a reason you didn't think halrob was scum on D1?

[*Pixar*]

Can we get a vote count? Think its close enough for Bax to claim?

[degaston]

I am town. Move me up on the chummy list please.

Are you still claiming to be town?

[Metsfanmax]

Can we get a vote count? Think its close enough for Bax to claim?

It is now

Vote Bax

[Dunk90]

Can we get a vote count? Think its close enough for Bax to claim?

It is now

Vote Bax

UH, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU?!

[Razorvich]

Day 3 Vote Count #2

Maxleod - *Pixar*
fusibaseball - PepeAtila i-andrei General Bax
*Pixar* - Actorday PepeAtila
i-andrei - *Pixar* General Bax
Ragian - *Pixar*
pershy - TheJMac
Dunk90 - General Bax
actorday - General Bax

General Bax has 4 votes

With 17 left alive it will take 9 votes for a lynch

[*Pixar*]

Unvote Vote General Bax

[Darin44]

this my day1 FOS
Loose Canon - Dead 3rd party
halrob64 - Dead day2 lynch mafia
TrafalgarLaw01 - Dead town

Heres my FOS (Finger Of Suspicion) list
*Pixar*
for voting Dunk90 saying something before the game even started
Dunk90
because *Pixar* voted Dunk90
TrafalgarLaw01
for jumping on the bandwagon to vote Dunk90
Loose Canon
for wanting to vote someone out than votes Dunk90
halrob64
telling something Dunk, the informer

they all are putting blame on Dunk90 I thank they all are working together
I was going to vote Dunk90 myself just because *Pixar* said so

[Darin44]

this my day2 FOS

PepeAtila not unvote vote dunk90 to vote halrob64

Silenced

[Darin44]

this my day3 FOS

what fusibaseball had to say make a lot since but I don't know if I can vote General Bax right now

I have a couple other thoughts just got to thank about have to say them

people that confuse me
*Pixar*
Dunk90
degaston
pershy
Ragian
TheJMac
Maxleod
i-andrei

joshzam your good in my book degaston was to but keeps putting my name out there

[DukeHazzard]

I did send in a night action, which if successful, I get a day action. But I'm 0/2 on my night actions.

I got this note during day 3. That's what prompted me to check the forum as I was unaware that day 3 had started.

So your night action failed both times, but you only got a PM after N1? Did something else happen that night?

I never got a PM after N1. It came on D3? Not sure how you came to that conclusion. Nothing happened that night for me.

On a side note, I don't agree with General Bax's assessment. Some of his points actually lead me to think he is scummy.

I came to that conclusion from reading this:

Well that was a lot to read all at once. Being new to the game, I was waiting for a PM from Raz saying that day3 had begun, as was the case for the opening of day2. So I didn't check in until now.

So I interpreted that as you saying that you got a PM on the opening of D2, presumably with some results from the night, but that you did not get one at the opening of D3, and you only checked the thread after you got a PM about the note.
Is there some other way to read those comments?
So my question was to try to understand what was different about N1 vs N2 that caused you to get a note at the start of D2, but not D3. Can you clear this up?

Also, are you not subscribed to the thread? I get an email every time someone posts.

Ok, I guess it sounds a little confusing. I'm referring to 2 different things. So I list PM's in order.

PM From Raz N1 - Night action is negative
PM From Raz D2 - Day 2 is open, no game results
PM From Raz N2 - Night action is negative

Now here is where I was expecting a PM from Raz announcing that Day 3 was open. I was quiet for the first 2 real days of D3 because I didn't get a PM and thus I was clueless to Day 3 starting.

PM on D3 - found a note in my cell

So finding this note alerted me that Day 3 had started. Then I realized it had already been going for a couple days. So I'm talking about different things in all those PM's. Game related info happened N1, N2 and D3. And game alerts which I was expecting after the D2 PM. I hope that clears things up.

No, I'm not subscribed to the thread. I didn't know that was a thing. But I have to say, getting an email every time someone posts sounds exhausting.

I already had General Bax on my scummy list so...

Vote General Bax for lynch

[i-andrei]

this my day3 FOS

what fusibaseball had to say make a lot since but I don't know if I can vote General Bax right now

I have a couple other thoughts just got to thank about have to say them

people that confuse me
*Pixar*
Dunk90
degaston
pershy
Ragian
TheJMac
Maxleod
i-andrei

joshzam your good in my book degaston was to but keeps putting my name out there

Why do I confuse you?

[Darin44]

this my day3 FOS

what fusibaseball had to say make a lot since but I don't know if I can vote General Bax right now

I have a couple other thoughts just got to thank about have to say them

people that confuse me
*Pixar*
Dunk90
degaston
pershy
Ragian
TheJMac
Maxleod
i-andrei

joshzam your good in my book degaston was to but keeps putting my name out there

Why do I confuse you?

Just can't put my finger on it yet thats why your on the bottom