The Hobbit Mafia [Town win]

[HotShot53]

After re-reading the day, I don't believe dakky and would be willing to vote/hammer him.

I find the timing of this post quite weird. I stated that I would be willing to hammer Dakky, and almost immediately hotshot appears to state the same. Hotshot isn't particularly brave or willing to put his head on the line so I find this quite out of character, but he still chooses not to vote despite saying he is now willing. To me this reads as trying to look like contributing and perhaps trying to look less suspicious to me by also being 'willing to hammer'.

You didn't say you were willing to hammer dakky... you said depending on his responses you might be willing. And he was at L-2 anyway, so would need 2 votes for the lynch. Since he was at L-2 I wasn't going to vote him right away to risk a quick hammer when there was no deadline yet and still plenty to discuss. And you haven't voted for him yet either... so not sure why it's ok for you but scummy for me lol. Seem like you just have an agenda to get me lynched and are trying to make up anything you can to do so.

[ZaBeast]

I think talking more about the dakky situation won't make enough people change their mind to not have him lynched (I would still like to know where the Thor vote came from if he wasn't trying to get lynched though). I do think however that we should at least discuss who he should kill if he indeed is a vengeful townie.

I think mitch is a very strong choice, but I still am tempted by a MM lynch also, mostly given his lack of activity (especially for someone who claims he's better after D1), but also the fact that there's been a bandwagon against him, so, as pika pointed out, it could give us some more info.

I was looking back at mitch's posts and I found this:

Wow what a lucky night for us especially Thort, Dakky asking about actions does sound scummy but I think he might be on to something. Do we start all over with new suspects or should we be like Rags and stick to our D1 favorites and push them harder? I was suspicious of Thort until he was proven town and then Ifollowed Skoffin lead on Hot Shot but basically the vote was split and time ran out so there was not much pressure put on the suspects we had,right now I am thinking either MM or HS ,they seemed to be the popular ones at the moment

Am I wrong in thinking this post is particularly fishy?
- especially Thort --->why did he think thor was lucky to have gotten through the night? Did he have reason to believe he was supposed to be night killed? I mean, I wouldn't think thor was the most likely NK target, since he didn't seemed very helpful to town on D1, even as a confirmed townie.
- but I think [dakky] might be on to something-->pushing for a role claim as well.
With this in mind, I will unvote vote mitch

[Skoffin]

After re-reading the day, I don't believe dakky and would be willing to vote/hammer him.

I find the timing of this post quite weird. I stated that I would be willing to hammer Dakky, and almost immediately hotshot appears to state the same. Hotshot isn't particularly brave or willing to put his head on the line so I find this quite out of character, but he still chooses not to vote despite saying he is now willing. To me this reads as trying to look like contributing and perhaps trying to look less suspicious to me by also being 'willing to hammer'.

You didn't say you were willing to hammer dakky... you said depending on his responses you might be willing. And he was at L-2 anyway, so would need 2 votes for the lynch. Since he was at L-2 I wasn't going to vote him right away to risk a quick hammer when there was no deadline yet and still plenty to discuss. And you haven't voted for him yet either... so not sure why it's ok for you but scummy for me lol. Seem like you just have an agenda to get me lynched and are trying to make up anything you can to do so.

No, as in if he can't explain himself then I will hammer him. Difference is you made a statement that makes it sound like you believe he is scummy and are not willing to vote him but have not done so,
whereas I have asked for him to give me a good enough explanation first before I do so. But perhaps I do have some of the ol' tunnel vision going on, so I would like some others to weigh in on it. But currently you are not at the top of my list.

Personally I think we should have mitch be our hammer, although I'd prefer an outright lynch of mitch at this point.
Zabeast just gave a good point on mitch that may very well be a slip, and as I mentioned before Mitch's paranoia this game is over the top. He's had far less heat here and he's overly defensive, and even in other games where he's had heat he's almost never lynched anyway - so again his overly defensive behaviour and paranoia that someone will get him lynched is unnecessary, it only really makes sense that he is scum and he's worried about blending in.

Vote Mitch

[Samlen]

Wow what a lucky night for us especially Thort, Dakky asking about actions does sound scummy but I think he might be on to something. Do we start all over with new suspects or should we be like Rags and stick to our D1 favorites and push them harder? I was suspicious of Thort until he was proven town and then Ifollowed Skoffin lead on Hot Shot but basically the vote was split and time ran out so there was not much pressure put on the suspects we had,right now I am thinking either MM or HS ,they seemed to be the popular ones at the moment

Am I wrong in thinking this post is particularly fishy?
- especially Thort --->why did he think thor was lucky to have gotten through the night? Did he have reason to believe he was supposed to be night killed? I mean, I wouldn't think thor was the most likely NK target, since he didn't seemed very helpful to town on D1, even as a confirmed townie.
- but I think [dakky] might be on to something-->pushing for a role claim as well.
With this in mind, I will unvote vote mitch[/quote]
That's actually the most convincing argument I've seen all day. At least better than the one to lynch dakky. I think i'll wait for a response from mitch but I doubt it'll change my mind.

[Samlen]

I was looking back at mitch's posts and I found this:

Wow what a lucky night for us especially Thort, Dakky asking about actions does sound scummy but I think he might be on to something. Do we start all over with new suspects or should we be like Rags and stick to our D1 favorites and push them harder? I was suspicious of Thort until he was proven town and then Ifollowed Skoffin lead on Hot Shot but basically the vote was split and time ran out so there was not much pressure put on the suspects we had,right now I am thinking either MM or HS ,they seemed to be the popular ones at the moment

Am I wrong in thinking this post is particularly fishy?
- especially Thort --->why did he think thor was lucky to have gotten through the night? Did he have reason to believe he was supposed to be night killed? I mean, I wouldn't think thor was the most likely NK target, since he didn't seemed very helpful to town on D1, even as a confirmed townie.
- but I think [dakky] might be on to something-->pushing for a role claim as well.
With this in mind, I will unvote vote mitch

That's actually the most convincing argument I've seen all day. At least better than the one to lynch dakky. I think i'll wait for a response from mitch but I doubt it'll change my mind.

*rip quote break*

[Ragian]

unvote

@Skoff, you know why I'm gunning for MM. He did bugger all D1, and the vibe I'm getting from him D2 is "follow whatever others say".

Did we ever get confirmation from dakky on how his role works?

[Skoffin]

Okay sure, but do you have any opinions regarding mitch or dakky at the moment? Do they not rate higher than 'Masket hasn't been active'?

[DirtyDishSoap]

I never wanted to get myself lynched to be able to shoot someone, but also I never had a role like this where I can post rubbish and even look like scum because I'd eventually have a chance to kill one of them. Since we learned nothing in D1, voting and unvoting patterns will be the key to who will I target. I also agree we should lynch me today and like Pika suggested make a vote who to kill if you don't want me to pick someone who I think is scummiest. That way a lot of information will come to surface on D3.

Probably the best indicator that he can choose to kill whom he pleases that has voted for him.

There's just too much confusion in there. On one hand, I'd like to believe Dakky for being town and that he is simply inane, on another hand, I'd like to lynch him for being inane even though I think he's town and just say f*ck my previous arguments, least we won't be hung up on this forever.

[Ragian]

Okay sure, but do you have any opinions regarding mitch or dakky at the moment? Do they not rate higher than 'Masket hasn't been active'?

I can't wrap my head around dakky at the moment. If he's town, he ought to act town, which I don't think he's done a lot to try to accomplish. However, I think it's even weirder if people want to lynch him thinking that he's town. I can't say if he's town or not. Honestly...

I don't find Mitch any different from the other times I've played with him. I'm never able to say if he's scum or not. I try to get him to argue for his votes and what not, but I don't think Mitch sees eye-to-eye with the rest of the world with regard to what constitutes scummy behaviour. I don't think he's scum now. I think he's phrasing himself poorly and looking for things that aren't there.

[BuJaber]

Yes, the issue we have here is that if anybody other than mitch made such a post it would be a slip-up. With mitch, not necessarily. Thor has caused considerable confusion during D1 and it could just be an innocent mistake on mitch's part thinking that someone, possibly even a vigilante could have targetted Thor N1 just to get rid of him. Would be a bad play but that's not what we're here to judge.

Of course it could be a slip up by a scummy mitch. I am not denying that, just wanted to offer a different perspective.

As far as I'm concerned this gets us closer to a mitch OR dakky lynch which is what I proposed. I am 95% convinced by they're posts that they are on opposite sides so one if them flipping gives us info on both.

[BuJaber]

Their not they're

[Ragian]

You don't think both could be town?

[DirtyDishSoap]

It just feels odd we're targeting two players who normally appear scummy no matter what, especially for those unfamiliar with these players.
I've said it in the past, I can never quite tell with Mitch, and every time I have pursued him, I was wrong.

Dakky, on the other hand, I've called out on and was right, however, in this game, I believe he's just being silly as this doesn't feel like his modus operandi. Yeah, he's pushed players like Thor, but I feel like in this game, it's tunnel vision. Again though, his posts, lack of elaborating on his role, and now the sudden inactivity, I'm willing to hammer him if it boils down to it.

[BuJaber]

You don't think both could be town?

I don't

[Ragian]

Well, that makes it fairly easy for you. Obviously, you should vote dakky, then.

[Skoffin]

It just feels odd we're targeting two players who normally appear scummy no matter what, especially for those unfamiliar with these players.
I've said it in the past, I can never quite tell with Mitch, and every time I have pursued him, I was wrong.

I've caught Mitch as scum before; I'm going for 2 for 2.

[Minister Masket]

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@Skoff, you know why I'm gunning for MM. He did bugger all D1, and the vibe I'm getting from him D2 is "follow whatever others say".

*skoffs* Well now that's just a blatant untruth. We've had two half-bandwagons on this day - dakky and now mitch. So going by your logic I must've voted for them OH NO WAIT, my vote has only been on Hotshot.
Now if by 'follow whatever others say', you meant 'take an observation from a town-leaning player (Skoffin) on D1 and combining that with my own observations for this current phase to justify my vote, then you'd be slightly more on the money eh?
The fact that he's continuing to remain quiet is all the more damning IMO.

I'm not hugely into the mitch bandwagon tbh as it's just mitch being mitch as far as I'm concerned.

This is a very cagey game so far, and the action-less N1 has only enhanced that effect into D2. I fear 90% of what's been said today is just town trying to conjure leads from nothing. This is the ideal scenario for scum to sit back and say as little as possible, before jumping on any misguided bandwagon that was started by the town.

[lord voldemort]

Vote Count 2.3


Dakky21 (5): Pikanchion, Thorthoth, FloresDelMal, Kamikaze Jawa, BuJaber
Madmitch (3): dakky21, ZaBeast, skoffin
Hotshot53 (1): Minister Masket
ZaBeast (1): DirtyDishSoap

Not Voting (6): Samlen, MudPuppy, Hotshot53, Ragian, madmitch, replacement player

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

I am loathed to put a deadline in whilst still without a player that needs to be replaced. Anyone have any ideas on players that could replace?

There is currently no deadline. Deadlines will be posted with a link to world clock. And announced with at least 72 hours notice

I am still hunting for 1 replacement.

[Skoffin]

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@Skoff, you know why I'm gunning for MM. He did bugger all D1, and the vibe I'm getting from him D2 is "follow whatever others say".

*skoffs* Well now that's just a blatant untruth. We've had two half-bandwagons on this day - dakky and now mitch. So going by your logic I must've voted for them OH NO WAIT, my vote has only been on Hotshot.
Now if by 'follow whatever others say', you meant 'take an observation from a town-leaning player (Skoffin) on D1 and combining that with my own observations for this current phase to justify my vote, then you'd be slightly more on the money eh?
The fact that he's continuing to remain quiet is all the more damning IMO.

I'm not hugely into the mitch bandwagon tbh as it's just mitch being mitch as far as I'm concerned.

Oh, now what makes me appear to be so town HRRRRN?
And what about how quiet YOU have been ehhh?

Honestly I am getting fed up with the 'mitch is mitch' excuse. One, it removes any incentive to change his play as he can live through any game that way. Two is that it means a scummy mitch can always skate on by no matter how scummy he acts. Third it's also an excuse any scum partners of mitch can use to invalidate lynching him and it's such a common excuse at this point that no one will be suspicious of it.


For those still keen to lynch dakky, who do you expect to hammer him? Do you consider mitch to be a fair option for the hammer? yes/no?

[Thorthoth]

For those still keen to lynch dakky, who do you expect to hammer him? Do you consider mitch to be a fair option for the hammer? yes/no?[/color]

Why do you think the hammer will be automatically killed? It's possible, but only speculation.
In any case, engineering a ''forced hammer or be lynched'' situation would be like herding cats.
Splitting the bandwagon between dakky and mitch seems like lynch sabotage to me...

Same with MM and DDS picking their own pointless candidates. I'm not saying they're wrong, but right now on Day 2, they need to pick a major party candidate (dakky or mitch) or give an elaborate explanation with evidence for why they will not. ...and please don't waste our time with an elaborate explanation that lacks evidence.

@LV:
1. Send out personal invitations to mafia game veterans that aren't enrolled. As further incentive coordinate with the other pending games (CYOC, Chess) so they will not start until somebody commits to filling this game.
2. If necessary, remove that role from the game, and if that role is essential (hmm?), pick a player with a less important role and have them swear to secrecy and switch roles. Right now it's early in the game and there have been no deaths so complications of going that route should be minimal.

[dakky21]

Actually Thor since you're confirmed town, you could jump in to replace Icepack, no one will vote for you anyway, despite my trying that you may not be an Innocent Child role.

[ZaBeast]

@LV:
1. Send out personal invitations to mafia game veterans that aren't enrolled. As further incentive coordinate with the other pending games (CYOC, Chess) so they will not start until somebody commits to filling this game.
2. If necessary, remove that role from the game, and if that role is essential (hmm?), pick a player with a less important role and have them swear to secrecy and switch roles. Right now it's early in the game and there have been no deaths so complications of going that route should be minimal.

1. I don't see how keeping the players from other games hostage would be a good move. They have the right to play whichever game they want, and by now they should know that this game is looking for replacements. CYOC hasn't started yet so you wouldn't really disrupt the game by posting directly in the thread though.
2. Could work if he is town, might be tricky if he is scum, because that means a town player would become scum.

About Mitch
I can buy the 1st part (the "Thor is lucky he didn't get killed") as mitch being mitch. He already did that in at least balance not included game (link) when he was cop

Well Legion is still alive , I guess he may have been protected or might be mafia or just got lucky again, or maybe he is truly an innocent person ? have to rethink everything

However, I feel like the 2nd part (asking for claims) is a plain slip. A role claim is obviously something that would benefit scum, and he pushes for one while hiding behind dakky. Notice how he starts his phrase with "Dakky asking about actions does sound scummy"? To me it looks like he's trying to tone it down to look less scummy if he's called for it.
Also, he ends his post with

right now I am thinking either MM or HS ,they seemed to be the popular ones at the moment

which makes it looks like he just wants to get into a BW.

[ZaBeast]

About Mitch
I can buy the 1st part (the "Thor is lucky he didn't get killed") as mitch being mitch. He already did that in at least balance not included game (link) when he was cop

Well Legion is still alive , I guess he may have been protected or might be mafia or just got lucky again, or maybe he is truly an innocent person ? have to rethink everything

At the same time, he got called for it, and votes started to pile up and he got forced to role claim. You'd expect him to have learnt his lesson.

[HotShot53]

It's possible Mitch is scum, some things have seemed a bit off on him this game. I think dakky is more scummy still though, for all the reasons I (and others) have previously stated. I don't think his recent posts have been towny enough for me to change my mind about him. Since he is no longer at risk of a quicklynch, I will put my vote where my mouth is and vote dakky

I also still think MM is more than a bit suspicious, but I'm not exactly in the position to lead a lynch on him lol.

[FloresDelMal]

Honestly I am getting fed up with the 'mitch is mitch' excuse. One, it removes any incentive to change his play as he can live through any game that way. Two is that it means a scummy mitch can always skate on by no matter how scummy he acts. Third it's also an excuse any scum partners of mitch can use to invalidate lynching him and it's such a common excuse at this point that no one will be suspicious of it.


For those still keen to lynch dakky, who do you expect to hammer him? Do you consider mitch to be a fair option for the hammer? yes/no?[/color]

now do you feel the pain i felt on the lion king game? anyway this is my second (or maybe third if he was on your weird little game, cant remember) time playing in a game where mitch is, and i can see that even thought he seems to have no desire to build a case (but then the same can be said for several other ppl) his style is not as annoying as before, i see it as progress, but i dont think town will suffer much if we lose him unless god forbids the mod gave him a power role, but my question is, why do you think he is scummier than dakky who was just as erratic and was caught lying?

I think based in my observation on mitch's style across both games i am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, since his poor wording is just as likely to come from honest clumsiness as it is to come from scum slip up; so my vote is staying on dakky, because i dont beliave his claim i dont really care who hammer's him, and even if you beliave his claim you shouldnt care either, because he already explained he isnt supposed to be a bomb, but in the odd case that he is not lying yet again, and he is a townie with the power to drag to the grave a player he thinks might be scum i could like to see hotshot and mitch on his BW, and i couldnt mind seeing MM as well, but seriously, if he is scum and is lying about his role the matter of who places the last vote is completely unimportant, and if you beliave in him, and you think he is a vengeful townie, then you have no reason to fear him being a bomb since he already explained that he is free to choose


LoVo, what about nag? he did offer at some point to replace, even thought he wont be hyperactive we have managed to tolerate already several ppl posting little or a lot but fluff, someone who posts few but solid arguments like him cant be all that bad, other option could be raise from the dead a lynched or NKed player which will happen eventually, and until the replacement is found, how about making it 8 to lynch?