Jeff Hardy [Blocked]

[BaldAdonis]

So far, what statements do we have? And who is it coming from? If there was or were pm's where is it?

Hahahaha! You've got a PM and game chat where the guy says he threw the games because Jeff-Hard-On-His-Luck asked him to. Plus you've got the games themselves, which are good evidence that something messed up had to happen for him to win.

I'm sure he'll come to his senses and turn himself in though. Hahahahahaha!

[king achilles]

Just how many games are we talking about that these two alleged threw games for one another, one? two games?

As for gameplays, have you checked other players as well and wonder why did one player attacked this region and not that region? And so on and so forth. Anybody can attack a neutral. If one loses, he can always say he gave the game to his opponent.

This can be circumstantial and not solid proof.

[Moneymatt]

interesting topic here.

me personally speaking and hardly beng involved in the matter i am neutral but it seems to be a whle lot of suspicion but to me it sums up in what cc is becoming. high rankers to curious about points and not caring about the enjoyment of it and it is hard for me to say this because i would be a nicely based major if it wasnt for casual games and i get very angry about losing alot of points but i am moving on.

what i am trying to say is the game is getting to serious and any rank players are getting to uptight about losing there points.

[Cundy]

he did pm me and tolled me to do it but dont tell him i told you

It would appear he "tolled" him to...

Also, you betrayed the poor guy!!

PS: Yes, there is no point to this post... sorry

[General Mojo]

Just how many games are we talking about that these two alleged threw games for one another, one? two games?

As for gameplays, have you checked other players as well and wonder why did one player attacked this region and not that region? And so on and so forth. Anybody can attack a neutral. If one loses, he can always say he gave the game to his opponent.

This can be circumstantial and not solid proof.

I posted a PM from one of the players admitting that he threw the game after the other player asked him to.....thats a DIRECT admission of guilt....what more proof do you want? Is your stance that you cannot bust Jeff Hardy without Jeff Hardy himself turning over the PM or instant messenger log or whatever means he used to request the other player to throw the game?

And the game Tisha posted is pretty freaking strong circumstantial evidence, as Jeff Hardy was crushed and William admits in the log he threw the game. It also corroborates William's direct admission of guilt from the PM I posted.

This is just astonishing.

[gcwca_4_life]

Just how many games are we talking about that these two alleged threw games for one another, one? two games?

As for gameplays, have you checked other players as well and wonder why did one player attacked this region and not that region? And so on and so forth. Anybody can attack a neutral. If one loses, he can always say he gave the game to his opponent.

This can be circumstantial and not solid proof.

I posted a PM from one of the players admitting that he threw the game after the other player asked him to.....thats a DIRECT admission of guilt....what more proof do you want? Is your stance that you cannot bust Jeff Hardy without Jeff Hardy himself turning over the PM or instant messenger log or whatever means he used to request the other player to throw the game?

And the game Tisha posted is pretty freaking strong circumstantial evidence, as Jeff Hardy was crushed and William admits in the log he threw the game. It also corroborates William's direct admission of guilt from the PM I posted.

This is just astonishing.

hmmmm.. Your not scared because he is gonna pass you up in rank in a while are you?!?1 You just don't give up on being an ass do you?!?1 Why can't you just leave it alone and move on with your pathetic life?!?1

[General Mojo]

Do i know you?

And I could give two shits if he passes me in rank. I just saw that he was cheating and reported him. Thanks for your productive contribution to this discussion, though.

[RashidJelzin]

Just how many games are we talking about that these two alleged threw games for one another, one? two games?

As for gameplays, have you checked other players as well and wonder why did one player attacked this region and not that region? And so on and so forth. Anybody can attack a neutral. If one loses, he can always say he gave the game to his opponent.

This can be circumstantial and not solid proof.

I posted a PM from one of the players admitting that he threw the game after the other player asked him to.....thats a DIRECT admission of guilt....what more proof do you want? Is your stance that you cannot bust Jeff Hardy without Jeff Hardy himself turning over the PM or instant messenger log or whatever means he used to request the other player to throw the game?

And the game Tisha posted is pretty freaking strong circumstantial evidence, as Jeff Hardy was crushed and William admits in the log he threw the game. It also corroborates William's direct admission of guilt from the PM I posted.

This is just astonishing.

hmmmm.. Your not scared because he is gonna pass you up in rank in a while are you?!?1 You just don't give up on being an ass do you?!?1 Why can't you just leave it alone and move on with your pathetic life?!?1

Wow- your stupidity climbs towards unknown heights.

Back to topic- it's ridiculous how such obvious abusing of a loophole is being ignored, yet other cases are ruled with bans/blocks with less or similiar evidence... laughable. The easiest solution would be if William Wallace posted the PM himself.

[lancehoch]

I posted a PM from one of the players admitting that he threw the game after the other player asked him to.....thats a DIRECT admission of guilt....what more proof do you want? Is your stance that you cannot bust Jeff Hardy without Jeff Hardy himself turning over the PM or instant messenger log or whatever means he used to request the other player to throw the game?

What KA is looking for is the PM sent by Jeff to William Wallace. Only two people have access to that PM, Jeff and William. If one of them were to post the PM then action could be taken. Since people lie, or make stuff up, we cannot be sure that William was not just pulling your chain by saying all that stuff. Please have him post the PM via screenshot or it is likely that no more action will be taken.

[owenshooter]

so, what i have learned from this thread is to conduct all cheating in the game log and on pm, because the log is not substantial evidence, and my pm's will not be checked... this is absolutely insane. i was banned for 6 days for less than this!!! this is system is beyond flawed...-6cd

[Kotaro]

There is 0 proof here. I could easily set someone that I didn't like up like this, if this were to be taken as proof. Just joined a 3 way game, state some upsurd thing in chat (that they'd of course deny), and then PM someone, telling them that they asked me too in a seperate PM.

Would be so simple to get people I don't like banned

[General Mojo]

I posted a PM from one of the players admitting that he threw the game after the other player asked him to.....thats a DIRECT admission of guilt....what more proof do you want? Is your stance that you cannot bust Jeff Hardy without Jeff Hardy himself turning over the PM or instant messenger log or whatever means he used to request the other player to throw the game?

What KA is looking for is the PM sent by Jeff to William Wallace. Only two people have access to that PM, Jeff and William. If one of them were to post the PM then action could be taken. Since people lie, or make stuff up, we cannot be sure that William was not just pulling your chain by saying all that stuff. Please have him post the PM via screenshot or it is likely that no more action will be taken.

Haha...at least King Achilles has an excuse by not being from the US, but not you lancehoch. Have you ever heard of the 5th amendment? Basically, you are saying the only way to bust these guys for obvious, blatant cheating is to have one of them incriminate himself? FYI, thats evidence that a u.s. prosecutor couldn't even ask for a defendant to turn over in a court of law...

This place is an absolute joke.

[General Mojo]

There is 0 proof here. I could easily set someone that I didn't like up like this, if this were to be taken as proof. Just joined a 3 way game, state some upsurd thing in chat (that they'd of course deny), and then PM someone, telling them that they asked me too in a seperate PM.

Would be so simple to get people I don't like banned

The flaw in your logic is that you have the actual game logs recorded. The game logs in both games posted in this thread validate what is going on. In both games, Hardy was crushed and facing a guaranteed loss before all the shady chat came up. Under your circumstances, presumably the game log would not coincide with the absurd statements in the game chat.

If you honestly think there is 0 proof here, you should apply to be a CC admin...you'd fit in perfectly.

[Kotaro]

How well does circumstantial evidence hold up in a court of law? The answer is: Not very well, unless backed by fact. Guaranteed loss? There is no guaranteed loss in this game, ever. Games are won and lost at the will of pure random chance.

If you have a problem with the CC admin, you should A) Take it up with them, B) Quit, or C) Get a real life and STFU.

[General Mojo]

How well does circumstantial evidence hold up in a court of law? The answer is: Not very well, unless backed by fact. Guaranteed loss? There is no guaranteed loss in this game, ever. Games are won and lost at the will of pure random chance.

If you have a problem with the CC admin, you should A) Take it up with them, B) Quit, or C) Get a real life and STFU.

Umm, where I come from, we classify an admission of guilt by one of the acting parties as DIRECT evidence. Not only direct evidence, but direct evidence corroborated by the game log, the game chat, and other games played by those players.

And isnt this a thread where I'm "taking it up with them?"

Do yourself a favor and just stop posting...you are embarassing yourself

[Kotaro]

Here's what I'll do for you mate. I'll join a game where I'm on the opposing side as you, and where there's at least 1 more player involved. Then, I'll tell you in public chat that I won't throw the game for you, and when someone asks me, my "guilt" will be too much that I'll have to admit your entire crime to someone, and you can get banned.

Sounds fair, huh?

edit: Oh, and as for embarrassing yourself.. This thread isn't "challenging the admins", this thread is about whether or not you have enough proof to get Jeff Hardy in trouble, which you clearly don't, so you're getting bitchy.

it's a game. deal. get a real life, go find a girlfriend.

[lancehoch]

Guys, keep it clean. If you have a problem with another user who is posting in this thread, take it to Flame Wars. No action was take, true. However, this was noted. If another, similar situation appears, then action will be taken. I am sorry Mojo, but this is how C&A has been dealing with secret alliance accusations for well over a year (since I have been here). If you would like that changed you can make a suggestion in Suggs & Bugs or talk to an admin.

[General Mojo]

Here's what I'll do for you mate. I'll join a game where I'm on the opposing side as you, and where there's at least 1 more player involved. Then, I'll tell you in public chat that I won't throw the game for you, and when someone asks me, my "guilt" will be too much that I'll have to admit your entire crime to someone, and you can get banned.

Sounds fair, huh?

edit: Oh, and as for embarrassing yourself.. This thread isn't "challenging the admins", this thread is about whether or not you have enough proof to get Jeff Hardy in trouble, which you clearly don't, so you're getting bitchy.

it's a game. deal. get a real life, go find a girlfriend.

I welcome you to do that because, as I noted in my previous post, the game log will prove that you are full of shit. In this situation, however, the game logs corroborate the direct evidence. And when the admins decided not to bust Jeff Hardy, I have continued to post for the express purpose of challenging their decision, i.e. challenging them.

Oh, and for the record, circumstantial evidence IS facts. In fact, all evidence is facts.

Again, I beg you to please stop talking....for everyone's sake.

[General Mojo]

Guys, keep it clean. If you have a problem with another user who is posting in this thread, take it to Flame Wars. No action was take, true. However, this was noted. If another, similar situation appears, then action will be taken. I am sorry Mojo, but this is how C&A has been dealing with secret alliance accusations for well over a year (since I have been here). If you would like that changed you can make a suggestion in Suggs & Bugs or talk to an admin.

Lance,

I got no problems if thats how you want to run things. This is your company's website and its your reputation on the line. However, I think it is quite disappointing to see such inconsistent policies being implemented. On the one hand, you guys ban Bruce and Scott from playing together with not so much of a shred of evidence indicting either one of them. Yet on the other hand, you have direct proof of a clear rule violation in the form of an admission from one of the guilty parties, and you do nothing.

I, for one, am calling bullshit.

[lancehoch]

I got no problems if thats how you want to run things.

It is not how I run things, it is how the hunters run things.

This is your company's website and its your reputation on the line.

Not my company. I am an unpaid volunteer moderator who is just trying to keep the peace.

However, I think it is quite disappointing to see such inconsistent policies being implemented. On the one hand, you guys ban Bruce and Scott from playing together with not so much of a shred of evidence indicting either one of them. Yet on the other hand, you have direct proof of a clear rule violation in the form of an admission from one of the guilty parties, and you do nothing.

Scott and Bruce were Blocked not Banned. They were blocked for the reason that Scott won 15% more games when playing with Bruce and Bruce lost 10% more games when playing with Scott. This was over a sample of close to 300 games when they played with one another and over 1000 games each when not playing together. Here there were two games presented. That is like trying to say the intensity cubes are not random based on 5 attacks. Again, if you dislike how the hunters have handled this case, make a suggestion or PM someone. If you have more evidence (read different than what has already been presented) that Jeff is abusing games, then post here, otherwise, do not post here.

I, for one, am calling bullshit.

That is fine, but not in this forum. Thanks.

[General Mojo]

Scott and Bruce were Blocked not Banned. They were blocked for the reason that Scott won 15% more games when playing with Bruce and Bruce lost 10% more games when playing with Scott. This was over a sample of close to 300 games when they played with one another and over 1000 games each when not playing together.

and that's the "evidence" that can get someone blocked around here?

and i dont remember requesting anyone to be banned.....

Here there were two games presented

Yes, one game of which one of the participants openly admitted to being asked to throw the game, and the other where the same participant actually DID throw the game.

That is like trying to say the intensity cubes are not random based on 5 attacks.

I would agree with that analogy if you add that one of the intensity cubes PM'ed me and told me that they weren't random but not to tell anyone.



But hey, way to do your job consistently and logically. Bravo.

[hulmey]

got to say CC fails again. The guy admitted to throwing a game to Jeff Hardy. In a court of law and based on the chat and others games, this would be a clear verdict..GUILTY AS CHARGED.

just my 2 cents.

[Bruceswar]

got to say CC fails again. The guy admitted to throwing a game to Jeff Hardy. In a court of law and based on the chat and others games, this would be a clear verdict..GUILTY AS CHARGED.

just my 2 cents.

Wow we agree here... That is a rare case.... If the shoe fits...

[Bruceswar]

However, I think it is quite disappointing to see such inconsistent policies being implemented. On the one hand, you guys ban Bruce and Scott from playing together with not so much of a shred of evidence indicting either one of them. Yet on the other hand, you have direct proof of a clear rule violation in the form of an admission from one of the guilty parties, and you do nothing.

Scott and Bruce were Blocked not Banned. They were blocked for the reason that Scott won 15% more games when playing with Bruce and Bruce lost 10% more games when playing with Scott. This was over a sample of close to 300 games when they played with one another and over 1000 games each when not playing together. Here there were two games presented. That is like trying to say the intensity cubes are not random based on 5 attacks. Again, if you dislike how the hunters have handled this case, make a suggestion or PM someone. If you have more evidence (read different than what has already been presented) that Jeff is abusing games, then post here, otherwise, do not post here.

Not to venture off task here, but did anybody bother to watch a game? Styles make match-ups. The 2 cases are not similar at all. There were no PM's and no in chat admissions. The reason being nothing happened where clearly here it has happened. In the words of poo-maker ... "Obvious secret alliance. Even if it was your first game, playing as badly as you did only points towards retardation or a secret alliance." -- In this case a tossed game and not his first, but the same idea.

[Scott-Land]

I posted a PM from one of the players admitting that he threw the game after the other player asked him to.....thats a DIRECT admission of guilt....what more proof do you want? Is your stance that you cannot bust Jeff Hardy without Jeff Hardy himself turning over the PM or instant messenger log or whatever means he used to request the other player to throw the game?

What KA is looking for is the PM sent by Jeff to William Wallace. Only two people have access to that PM, Jeff and William. If one of them were to post the PM then action could be taken. Since people lie, or make stuff up, we cannot be sure that William was not just pulling your chain by saying all that stuff. Please have him post the PM via screenshot or it is likely that no more action will be taken.

Wrong again Lance, Twill read every single pms between Bruce and I without our knowledge. Obviously he found nothing in them but that's not the point..... Admins, no matter what they say, do go into our accounts.