Warsteiner and strakkebillen [blocked]

[Thai Robert]

[Warsteiner]

and in age of might as said almost nobody attacks me apart from the ones I'm eliminating. I eliminated strakke quite quick on all i believe, not entirely sure but I remember him being moody all the time about that map. So obviously he had no chance to attack me then when i first hid behind neutrals. it's my strat in that map which is exteremely succesful

[Thai Robert]

I'm not entirely sure, but I think you know your stuff...

[Frop]

C'mon guys, you're spending so much time in here you're bound to miss a turn or two. Can't we just wait until the mods have reached a verdict?

[krusher]

What happened was that Warsteiner and Strakkebillen were having unannounced alliances in October, or announcing it in Dutch.

And though the Dutch chatting has halted on CC. The unannounced alliances are continuing about 1 month after their warning.

The following research is based on the period between Sully's warning and the next accusation (Oct 22 - Dec 4). The period in which Warsteiner still thought he could get away with the warning:

In all these games no alliance was announced (and none were left out):

6-players:
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1323479 0 3
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1311052 1 3
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1309927 0 4
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1309715 0 2
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1302935 0 3

Strakkebillen managed to attack Warsteiner just ONCE in the first 3 rounds while he managed to attack others 15 times. That's 3x the average.

5-players:
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1310304 0 2
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1243131 0 3
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1225792 0 3

In these games Strakkebillen didn't manage to strike at Warsteiner at all in the first 3 rounds. But did attack others 8 times.

4-players:
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1303405 1 2
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1280318 0 2
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1280225 0 8

In these games Strakkebillen attacked Warsteiner again just once. But attacked others 12 times in the first 3 rounds. 4x the average!

Now do the probability calculation and see how likely this is.

I've only counted the first 3 rounds because in later stages, it happens that Warsteiner is already superior and no harm can be done anymore. Or the opposite where Warsteiner will loose no matter what Strakkebillen will do. In the first 3 rounds the game's still open and Strakkebillen will have to be careful about attacking Warsteiner. It's clear Strakkebillen serves Warsteiner. Not the other way around...

this should be prove enoug hto get warstiners points reset, get him blocked from playing his friend and get his membership striped for cheating!

[Warsteiner]

krusher, i never liked you but you're only proving you're an idiot now. just read my posts first about this reply of thair robert you'll see that its bullshit

[comic boy]

Isnt it loathsome to see a convicted cheat like Krusher trying so hard to get others dragged down into the gutter with him, bitter or what

[Incandenza]

Isnt it loathsome to see a convicted cheat like Krusher trying so hard to get others dragged down into the gutter with him, bitter or what

That may be, but this thread is what ultimately happens when one plays with RL friend(s)/family in singles games, "well, if I can't win, at least my buddy will."

This is why there are a lot of people on this site, myself included, that do not play singles, especially public singles, with said RL friend(s)/family, to prevent just this sort of accusation.

At the very least, something should be posted in game chat right off the bat, just to make sure there's no understanding, and that doesn't appear to have been done here.

[firth4eva]

However if you just play in teams you get blocked

[comic boy]

Isnt it loathsome to see a convicted cheat like Krusher trying so hard to get others dragged down into the gutter with him, bitter or what

That may be, but this thread is what ultimately happens when one plays with RL friend(s)/family in singles games, "well, if I can't win, at least my buddy will."

This is why there are a lot of people on this site, myself included, that do not play singles, especially public singles, with said RL friend(s)/family, to prevent just this sort of accusation.

At the very least, something should be posted in game chat right off the bat, just to make sure there's no understanding, and that doesn't appear to have been done here.

Totaly agree with you

[Warsteiner]

We can make it a rule that you can't play with rl friends/family or have to pos that you know them IRL.

However, as said, you can see from my games that I've played fair with all the RL friends i have battled. Apperently strakkebillen is the one not managing to beat me, all the others have done that a few more times.. It's how the game rolls.. I'm simply a little better than those but you bet they want to beat me for sure.. big points and a good laugh at me as they think I'm too addicted and that i should stop playing this game and play poker i'm sure they want nothing more than to strip my points.

[krusher]

We can make it a rule that you can't play with rl friends/family or have to pos that you know them IRL.

However, as said, you can see from my games that I've played fair with all the RL friends i have battled. Apperently strakkebillen is the one not managing to beat me, all the others have done that a few more times.. It's how the game rolls.. I'm simply a little better than those but you bet they want to beat me for sure.. big points and a good laugh at me as they think I'm too addicted and that i should stop playing this game and play poker i'm sure they want nothing more than to strip my points.

you know what they say, it takes a cheater to know a cheater and I knew you cheated even before this thread was up but was too lazy to say anything... The overwhelming evidence and game numbers that people posted and the un-announce alliances should be enough to get you score reset and atleast blocked from playing your friend.

[Warsteiner]

Before a person replies on a topic.. you know what normal people do? They READ what the other guy they're countering HAS SAID. Do you know what you do? You keep repeating yourself taking NO notice whatsoever of what other people have said.

So either stfu or read what I have said. I wonder what's taking mods so long, clear me already.

[Thai Robert]

I have the feeling that this exposure is the kind of punishment the mods have in mind for you this time. A few extra Negs, a couple of Ignore list extensions. That'll do the trick. Just keep hanging in there

BTW all this attention starts paying off already. I see no more active games with Strakkebillen. And you score shows a steady decline. Give it another few weeks and you don't need a score-reset anymore!

[Warsteiner]

i have only joined/started like 3 games since this happening. I want my name cleaned else this game is no fun.

[Thai Robert]

OK Warsteiner, I just had a sudden change of mood. I almost started to pity you. Maybe this has dragged on long enough. Maybe you should even be cleared. Just in order to let you carry on the games regaining the true spirit and discovering the fun in that. I believe you're well aware now that you simply cannot do anything suspicious on this high level. There will always be someone watching.

[krusher]

lol f*ck that! he cheated now he needs to be punished.

[Risktaker17]

I have no doubt in my mind that Warsteiner is innocent.

[Scott-Land]

Hey ThaiGuy, why are you all over Warsteiner? He beat you in a previous account-- I mean life?

[Scott-Land]

I have no doubt in my mind that Warsteiner is innocent.

I do recall you saying the same thing about Krusher-- I have a feeling you were involved in that as much as Irish and the others.

[Warsteiner]

nah scott, i played a lot versus risk, he's a great guy Thanks for the confidence both of you. I hope this can be settled soon

[Thai Robert]

Hey X-land. He just rushed me by, a couple of weeks ago. And I was kinda curious what fuel he was using.

[krusher]

I have no doubt in my mind that Warsteiner is innocent.

I do recall you saying the same thing about Krusher-- I have a feeling you were involved in that as much as Irish and the others.

scott-land is right risk, you have bad judgement when it comes to people lol.... your a good guy though just a bit too trustworthy .

[InkL0sed]

don't know about you guys but I didn't read the krusher posts

[king achilles]

After reading all the posts here and since sully800 is unavailable right now because he is sick, it is up to me to take this case. I apologize if it had taken some time but this issue is not an easy one.

Taking into consideration of all the responses made by Warsteiner to clear himself of the accusation, plus the fact that he even sent us a ticket to have his name cleared, it only shows that he has a firm belief in himself that he has nothing to hide. Who knows, but maybe the other player is the one throwing the games without the other one knowing it or refusing to think about it.

If there was a secret alliance here, we only have assumptions that we lack enough supportive evidence to back it up. However, considering that he has been reported twice, admitted that they know each other, was already warned, I have no choice but to block Warsteiner and strakkebillen from playing together to avoid further 'damage' for other players and for themselves as well.