And so the Cheating Continues [block]

[maxatstuy]

OK, everyone, this thread was moved from a different forum, so I let the "discussion" continue for a bit. At this point I am going to set some ground rules for this thread:

• if you are not posting facts, do not post
• if you are quoting a previous post, please remove the nested quotes
• if you are off topic, you will be receiving a PM
• if you are flaming, you will be receiving a PM
• if you are flame-baiting, you will be receiving a PM

Facts do not include talking about someone's age or maturity level. Facts do include game numbers and win ratios. If there is anything I missed, I will edit this post and link back to it.

Where's the form Lance- is this an accusation or just another fit by him? Now I'm being accused of cheating because my score dropped ? Ever consider that after reaching 5500+ there's not much incentive anymore? Pull up those 8 mans and read the game log to see if I had connection problems. Are the 8 mans really the reason I dropped rank or because of 1 vs 1s , assassin , etc.

Write up the form- do the math and see where my points went.... I've played maybe 20 8 mans in the last 3 weeks due to computer problems. Not that I have to fucking justify anything to Demon ( multi- one reason he's on my ignore) and least of all Max ( another multi).

...multi...thats one thing I havent been called in a long time ...whether or not you have connection problems, there is no justification as to why bruce would intentionally leave the last territory of a 5 card kill in front of you so that you can take it an clean the board. He had many options about which routes to take and he conveniently left the one territory in front of you for last and then delayed before taking it. DAT saw this and even commented on, and so did I. This was just the latest of bruces attempt to throw you a game and even more amazing is how you managed to win one 8-player with bruce prior to that, and now that you have refrained from playing games with bruce, your losing streak is starting to accumulate again and you score is dropping.

You are a cheater and even one of your best friends acknowledged it. There were 55 game links on the previous thread about you. Now I have only included 2...maybe the mods may actually get around to looking at them this time because if you read what happened in the game logs, there is no way of calling everything that happened a coincidence and bad play. Bruce was intentionally setting you up for the kill and had you not been completely out of it, you would have won the game

[Scott-Land]

Accused:

Scott-Land and Bruceswar


Accused of:

Secret Diplomacy
Intentionally throwing games


Games:

Game 3491281
Game 3491281


Comments:

Two months ago, in August, KingOfGods created a cheating thread about scott-land and bruceswar, showing that in their 300 games together, scott won over 3700 points while bruce only won 30 games and about 2 points in all. Since then, bruce and scott stopped playing together for a few weeks, and in that time, scott has went from his score of 5520 all the way down to 3600. Ive been going scotts games laughing about how helpless he is without bruce and I think that an unintentional 1900 point loss is a good enough justification that something happened that was against the rules. However, bruce is now back and while scott is coming off of his 15 consecutive losses, it seems with bruce back in scotts games, his losing streak is in the process of turning around.

I think we should all give a hand to scott, for with the help of bruce, he will be making conqueror, once again.

Have fun cheating scott

I always have to fucking respond to this bullshit. Dat isn't in game chat in the game you provided..... Bruce took something like 19 vs 11 and bricked. There were 4 or 5 armies left in Central and I ran over Gray to scoop the remnants of teal. Perhaps you should accuse the dice for throwing me the game? It would be more reasonable.

[maxatstuy]

I always have to fucking respond to this bullshit. Dat isn't in game chat in the game you provided..... Bruce took something like 19 vs 11 and bricked. There were 4 or 5 armies left in Central and I ran over Gray to scoop the remnants of teal. Perhaps you should accuse the dice for throwing me the game? It would be more reasonable.

Yes, I made a mistake when copying the links and pasted the same link twice, I should have included:

Game 3494159

Bruce was trying to kill teal, who had 5 cards and who ended and while almost everyone other than scott and bruce was either no where near teal, or had ended their turns, Bruce left the last territory adjacent to scotts stack allowing scott to easily steal the kill and win the game had scott been paying minimal attention.

2008-10-19 04:02:47 - DAT_WAT_SHE_SAID: bruce, y leave kline till last, if scott wasnt connectionally retarted he wuda got that

[Scott-Land]

I always have to fucking respond to this bullshit. Dat isn't in game chat in the game you provided..... Bruce took something like 19 vs 11 and bricked. There were 4 or 5 armies left in Central and I ran over Gray to scoop the remnants of teal. Perhaps you should accuse the dice for throwing me the game? It would be more reasonable.

Yes, I made a mistake when copying the links and pasted the same link twice, I should have included Game 3494159

I will make that correction now

You're a moron and clueless how to play an 8 man esc game..... I can't help but surround myself around players that I know are being set up. It's strategy you dipshit. I'm not even gonna respond to such an idiotic accusation. You're reaching.... that's pathetic.

Yet another one of countless games that cost me the win because of my connection.

[maxatstuy]

I always have to fucking respond to this bullshit. Dat isn't in game chat in the game you provided..... Bruce took something like 19 vs 11 and bricked. There were 4 or 5 armies left in Central and I ran over Gray to scoop the remnants of teal. Perhaps you should accuse the dice for throwing me the game? It would be more reasonable.

Yes, I made a mistake when copying the links and pasted the same link twice, I should have included Game 3494159

I will make that correction now

You're a moron and clueless how to play an 8 man esc game..... I can't help but surround myself around players that I know are being set up. It's strategy you dipshit. I'm not even gonna respond to such an idiotic accusation.

Yes scott, the world is out to get you; making a kill and leaving the last territory adjacent to the only player who had the possibility of stealing and winning the game is strategy...strategy designed to gift you the game. There is no other explanation as to why someone as experienced as bruce would make such a terrible move. A mistake is if bruce didnt see a territory or advanced wrong, but he spent his turn planning how to make this kill and that was the route he chose, the only route which gave you the possibility of winning

[Prankcall]

I see this has started up once again.I am in agreement with what Demonfork stated back a few pages ago.What I find most amusing is that Mods/Admin deem this to be not fishy in the least,yet they find it very easy to block over 50 people from playing one another to even prevent possible cheating.Im not talking proven or suspected but POSSIBLE.Oh well just another day at CC

[KoE_Sirius]

Max is always being accused of cheating it is yet to be proven.This is also the case of Scott and Bruce. People in glass houses should not throw stones.

[maxatstuy]

Max is always being accused of cheating it is yet to be proven.This is also the case of Scott and Bruce. People in glass houses should not throw stones.

The difference is that I made my points through a strategy I developed which can be considered cheap, but completely within the rules. Bruce has been handing games to scott for month now, and there is no way of justifying their actions other than by calling it cheating.

[maxatstuy]

Game 3511099

You guys are making this list too easy. Claiming an "error message"...ROFL

2008-10-21 20:23:43 - Bruceswar assaulted Oldenberg from Ernst and conquered it from Slick13
2008-10-21 20:23:44 - Bruceswar assaulted Hockney from Oldenberg and conquered it from Scott-Land
2008-10-21 20:23:45 - Scott-Land assaulted Ernst from Kunz and conquered it from Bruceswar
2008-10-21 20:23:48 - Scott-Land assaulted Oldenberg from Ernst and conquered it from Bruceswar
2008-10-21 20:23:51 - Scott-Land assaulted Hockney from Oldenberg and conquered it from Bruceswar
2008-10-21 20:23:52 - rickyk assaulted Picasso from Van Der Rohe and conquered it from Lordhower
2008-10-21 20:23:54 - Scott-Land assaulted Lichtenstein from Hockney and conquered it from Slick13
2008-10-21 20:23:54 - Scott-Land eliminated Slick13 from the game

Good Job Bruce, yet another game successfully gifted to Scott.

[Scott-Land]

Game 3511099

You guys are making this list too easy. Claiming an "error message"...ROFL

2008-10-21 20:23:43 - Bruceswar assaulted Oldenberg from Ernst and conquered it from Slick13
2008-10-21 20:23:44 - Bruceswar assaulted Hockney from Oldenberg and conquered it from Scott-Land
2008-10-21 20:23:45 - Scott-Land assaulted Ernst from Kunz and conquered it from Bruceswar
2008-10-21 20:23:48 - Scott-Land assaulted Oldenberg from Ernst and conquered it from Bruceswar
2008-10-21 20:23:51 - Scott-Land assaulted Hockney from Oldenberg and conquered it from Bruceswar
2008-10-21 20:23:52 - rickyk assaulted Picasso from Van Der Rohe and conquered it from Lordhower
2008-10-21 20:23:54 - Scott-Land assaulted Lichtenstein from Hockney and conquered it from Slick13
2008-10-21 20:23:54 - Scott-Land eliminated Slick13 from the game

Good Job Bruce, yet another game successfully gifted to Scott.

Hahaa- quite an obsession you have Max. I suggest you seek help ! Really pisses you off that you can no longer play with Paddy but yet he's in a triples game with me eh? Fabricate any and everything to get me removed from Jr's All Time High Score- 5522 baby!

I have played my fair share with scotty and never found him to be a cheat, yes the many games with bruce in them, seems overwhelming, but scotty likes to verbally abuse as part as of his bullying tactics of winning, only the weak minded cave in and bow to him and his rageful antics, but this is not cheating. if the mods looked at it and let it go, why cant you maxi-pad?

what are you asking? that they be blocked? I am sure the mods are just and fair. You know something, when a person is usually guilty of something, they tend to yell out and get many to focus on others to get the heat off themselves.

tbh it's not a tactic. I only go off after an idiotic move not before..... 99% of the time I'm right but that's not the point here.

Thanks for the post- Blitzy.

[maxatstuy]

I have played my fair share with scotty and never found him to be a cheat, yes the many games with bruce in them, seems overwhelming, but scotty likes to verbally abuse as part as of his bullying tactics of winning, only the weak minded cave in and bow to him and his rageful antics, but this is not cheating. if the mods looked at it and let it go, why cant you maxi-pad?


what are you asking? that they be blocked? I am sure the mods are just and fair. You know something, when a person is usually guilty of something, they tend to yell out and get many to focus on others to get the heat off themselves.

that is not true at all...I have no issue with mentioning my threads and if anything, me posting about scott brings more attention to the C&A threads made about me. I posted this thread not because I dislike scott, even though that my have contributed to my decision to post; I posted because there was no rational reasoning for why scott and bruce were let off the hook for their blatant abuse of the game. You play sequential games and while the games you play has no effect on scott, it does effect your perception of him. Bruce has gifted more kills than he has made in 8-player freestyle speed games. The very concept that scott has lost close to two thousand points in the two weeks bruce was away shows that scott has obviously become reliant on bruces gifting games and I find it amazing how, despite the trends which occur in scotts score, (scott with bruce, scott makes 3700 points, scott without, he loses 2000, bruce comes back he starts to win again,) the mods dont seem to recognize this as cheating.

Hmm...looks like I already addressed that post yesterday, and Bruce delayed for 10 seconds in which time you were able to attack Slicks 1 remaining territory and win the game, yet you are actually calling that an idiotic move? He didnt move, Bruce just sat there and waited for you to win the game. You cheated and there is no questioning your actions. Your score is less than the amount of points you have made through bruce gifting you games, yet you have the audacity to boast about having a high score?

Your attempts to flame me only exemplify your guilt and how worried you are that you will finally be busted for the cheating which has taken place.

[Prankcall]

I watched this game and i have to say that shit looked extremely funny.bruce came from asia with good numbers to kill Slick and he shoulda.he bricked at greenland losing a 2vs1 but had 5 on iceland.At which point Scott came from Japan all the way to greenland to kill Slick.It was highly odd becuz Bruce had a 5 on iceland to atleast try a 5vs1 but over a 10 second period which in speed games is a lifetime(some people can kill more than 1 land a second)failed to even try.He claims error message but this game was highly suspect.I'd advise you not to join games together for the simple fact Scott does always seem to benefit.Good blokes

[Scott-Land]

I watched this game and i have to say that shit looked extremely funny.bruce came from asia with good numbers to kill Slick and he shoulda.he bricked at greenland losing a 2vs1 but had 5 on iceland.At which point Scott came from Japan all the way to greenland to kill Slick.It was highly odd becuz Bruce had a 5 on iceland to atleast try a 5vs1 but over a 10 second period which in speed games is a lifetime(some people can kill more than 1 land a second)failed to even try.He claims error message but this game was highly suspect.I'd advise you not to join games together for the simple fact Scott does always seem to benefit.Good blokes

You of all people Prank- he must have known he would lose in Greenland, after all he had good numbers? Once you lose a front, it takes reaction to switch. You take an eternity to make a kill or steal because your thought process isn't the quickest. Laughable- what if he had average dice in Greenland? What you're claiming makes no sense whatsoever !

Wonder if this post has to do with your recent pm asking me to remove you from my ignore; where I responded with-- GFY? Be thankful- with me in the lineup you'd still be a Colonel/Brig.

[maxatstuy]

You of all people Prank- he must have known he would lose in Greenland, after all he had good numbers? Once you lose a front, it takes reaction to switch. You take an eternity to make a kill or steal because your thought process isn't the quickest. Laughable- what if he had average dice in Greenland? What you're claiming makes no sense whatsoever !

Wonder if this post has to do with your recent pm asking me to remove you from my ignore; where I responded with-- GFY? Be thankful- with me in the lineup you'd still be a Colonel/Brig.

The only way that Prank would still be a Colonel or Brig playing against you is if Bruce was there suiciding Prank and giving you his kill every game. It doesnt take anyone 10 seconds to change fronts, especially considering that Bruce can take one territory a second and had been doing so throughout the entire game. The very idea that you would claim Bruce didnt attack because he knew he would lose 5-1 is moronic and anyone looking at the game objectively would see that he let you have the kill and win the game. It was just one of the many examples of Bruce gifting you some more points.

[laddida]

So outta the last 108 games played with Bruce in 8 player escalating Scott had won 20 or so? And Bruce winning a handful as well. This is hardly a pattern nor should anybody be wasting any more time on this bs. Just a huge rage of jealousy and i doubt mods will waste their time either with this. And i know Bruce to be very competitive and loves to win and beat Scott so case closed.

[Scott-Land]

You of all people Prank- he must have known he would lose in Greenland, after all he had good numbers? Once you lose a front, it takes reaction to switch. You take an eternity to make a kill or steal because your thought process isn't the quickest. Laughable- what if he had average dice in Greenland? What you're claiming makes no sense whatsoever !

Wonder if this post has to do with your recent pm asking me to remove you from my ignore; where I responded with-- GFY? Be thankful- with me in the lineup you'd still be a Colonel/Brig.

The only way that Prank would still be a Colonel or Brig playing against you is if Bruce was there suiciding Prank and giving you his kill every game. It doesnt take anyone 10 seconds to change fronts, especially considering that Bruce can take one territory a second and had been doing so throughout the entire game. The very idea that you would claim Bruce didnt attack because he knew he would lose 5-1 is moronic and anyone looking at the game objectively would see that he let you have the kill and win the game. It was just one of the many examples of Bruce gifting you some more points.

For someone that constantly critiques others about reading comprehension you surely can't apply it. Where did I say that he'd lose 5 vs 1 ? I was referring to 33 vs 1, 5, 21 or whatever his numbers were. I'm growing weary trying to reason with someone that lacks a certain maturity level to comprehend. I shall let the mods handle it from here because it's a waste of my time. Feel free to keep posting.......

[maxatstuy]

You of all people Prank- he must have known he would lose in Greenland, after all he had good numbers? Once you lose a front, it takes reaction to switch. You take an eternity to make a kill or steal because your thought process isn't the quickest. Laughable- what if he had average dice in Greenland? What you're claiming makes no sense whatsoever !

Wonder if this post has to do with your recent pm asking me to remove you from my ignore; where I responded with-- GFY? Be thankful- with me in the lineup you'd still be a Colonel/Brig.

The only way that Prank would still be a Colonel or Brig playing against you is if Bruce was there suiciding Prank and giving you his kill every game. It doesnt take anyone 10 seconds to change fronts, especially considering that Bruce can take one territory a second and had been doing so throughout the entire game. The very idea that you would claim Bruce didnt attack because he knew he would lose 5-1 is moronic and anyone looking at the game objectively would see that he let you have the kill and win the game. It was just one of the many examples of Bruce gifting you some more points.

For someone that constantly critiques others about reading comprehension you surely can't apply it. Where did I say that he'd lose 5 vs 1 ? I was referring to 33 vs 1, 5, 21 or whatever his numbers were. I'm growing weary trying to reason with someone that lacks a certain maturity level to comprehend. I shall let the mods handle it from here because it's a waste of my time. Feel free to keep posting.......

If you were referring to his attack against a 21, then even still you are saying he tried for a kill there was no way he could make, so instead of refraining from taking the shot, he virtually was suiciding and gifting the kill and the game to you. Nevertheless, he tried and succeeded at taking the 21 and just made the decision of waiting 10 seconds for you to take one territory for the steal instead of attacking 5-1 for the win. He threw you the game and it is as simple as that.

So outta the last 108 games played with Bruce in 8 player escalating Scott had won 20 or so? And Bruce winning a handful as well. This is hardly a pattern nor should anybody be wasting any more time on this bs. Just a huge rage of jealousy and i doubt mods will waste their time either with this. And i know Bruce to be very competitive and loves to win and beat Scott so case closed.

Scott has won 43 out of the last 71 8-player freestyle speed games that he has played against Bruce.

That's a 60.56% win rate in those games

[Scott-Land]

You of all people Prank- he must have known he would lose in Greenland, after all he had good numbers? Once you lose a front, it takes reaction to switch. You take an eternity to make a kill or steal because your thought process isn't the quickest. Laughable- what if he had average dice in Greenland? What you're claiming makes no sense whatsoever !

Wonder if this post has to do with your recent pm asking me to remove you from my ignore; where I responded with-- GFY? Be thankful- with me in the lineup you'd still be a Colonel/Brig.

The only way that Prank would still be a Colonel or Brig playing against you is if Bruce was there suiciding Prank and giving you his kill every game. It doesnt take anyone 10 seconds to change fronts, especially considering that Bruce can take one territory a second and had been doing so throughout the entire game. The very idea that you would claim Bruce didnt attack because he knew he would lose 5-1 is moronic and anyone looking at the game objectively would see that he let you have the kill and win the game. It was just one of the many examples of Bruce gifting you some more points.

For someone that constantly critiques others about reading comprehension you surely can't apply it. Where did I say that he'd lose 5 vs 1 ? I was referring to 33 vs 1, 5, 21 or whatever his numbers were. I'm growing weary trying to reason with someone that lacks a certain maturity level to comprehend. I shall let the mods handle it from here because it's a waste of my time. Feel free to keep posting.......

If you were referring to his attack against a 21, then even still you are saying he tried for a kill there was no way he could make, so instead of refraining from taking the shot, he virtually was suiciding and gifting the kill and the game to you. Nevertheless, he tried and succeeded at taking the 21 and just made the decision of waiting 10 seconds for you to take one territory for the steal instead of attacking 5-1 for the win. He threw you the game and it is as simple as that.

So outta the last 108 games played with Bruce in 8 player escalating Scott had won 20 or so? And Bruce winning a handful as well. This is hardly a pattern nor should anybody be wasting any more time on this bs. Just a huge rage of jealousy and i doubt mods will waste their time either with this. And i know Bruce to be very competitive and loves to win and beat Scott so case closed.

Scott has won 43 out of the last 71 8-player freestyle speed games that he has played against Bruce.

That's a 60.56% win rate in those games

I'd have 99.999% win rate against you- what's your point? Bruce is better than you? I concede that fact !

[Bruceswar]

OK since it was brought up...

Last game... 35 vs 1 vs 5 vs 23 for a kill. Good numbers. I lost all leaving 1 left. CM switched me to another front, and I tried to attack from the wrong front. After I switched back the kill was stolen. End of story.

[maxatstuy]

OK since it was brought up...

Last game... 35 vs 1 vs 5 vs 23 for a kill. Good numbers. I lost all leaving 1 left. CM switched me to another front, and I tried to attack from the wrong front. After I switched back the kill was stolen. End of story.

It amazes me that you played the entire game immaculately, taking one territory a second, playing without mistakes, yet come the turn where you are making a kill and you have no trouble at all until you have 1 territory left to take for a kill and for the win. You gave scott 10 seconds to kill one territory and by doing so, let him win the game. It would be different if this game was an anomaly and this was the first time it happened, but this seems to be a recurring trend in your games together. In the three games you played with scott since you came back, scott has won 2 of them and in the words of DAT, scott would have won the third game from you gifting him a kill if he "wasnt connectionally retarted."

[king achilles]

For the record, maxatstuy, you are stating that Scott-Land and Bruceswar has been cheating because Bruceswar has been making suspicious moves that seems to be giving the game for Scott-Land. This was brought up because Scott-Land was losing a lot of games when he was not playing with Bruceswar. But ever since Bruceswar came back, when these two played several games together again, Scott-Land began winning once again, suspiciously. You have provided 3 games to support your claim that Bruceswar is trying to give games to Scott-Land.

[maxatstuy]

For the record, maxatstuy, you are stating that Scott-Land can not win without Bruceswar because Bruceswar has been making suspicious moves that seems to be giving the game for Scott-Land. This was brought up because Scott-Land was losing a lot of games when he was not playing with Bruceswar. But ever since Bruceswar came back, when these two played several games together again, Scott-Land began winning once again, suspiciously. You have provided 3 games to support your claim that Bruceswar is trying to give games to Scott-Land.

Scott has won many games without Bruce and I am in no way applying that Scott cannot win without bruce. However, I am saying that Scott would win considerably fewer games had Bruce not gifted so many wins to Scott. Additionally, I think that the 55 links mentioned in the initial Scott-Land thread still do apply and that they should be reviewed again because this abuse has been occurring for months. The absence of Bruce in Scotts 8-players for the past two weeks only exemplified his effect on Scotts score and how Bruces "suspicious moves" were the main contributing factor to Scotts rise to conqueror. In the 271 8-player freestyle speed games which they have play together, Scott has won 3719 points with a 45% win rate in contrast to Bruce who has lost 31 points with a 9% win rate. While I only posted three games, the cheating has taken place over the last hundred or so 8-player games they have joined together, where scotts percent skyrockets from 45% to well above 50% and possibly 60% as well. This cheating is not a new occurrence and while I chose to only mention the last three 8-players they were in together, their other games should be reviewed as well.

[Bruceswar]

For the record, maxatstuy, you are stating that Scott-Land and Bruceswar has been cheating because Bruceswar has been making suspicious moves that seems to be giving the game for Scott-Land. This was brought up because Scott-Land was losing a lot of games when he was not playing with Bruceswar. But ever since Bruceswar came back, when these two played several games together again, Scott-Land began winning once again, suspiciously. You have provided 3 games to support your claim that Bruceswar is trying to give games to Scott-Land.

King A I know you are doing all you can on this one, but you might also want to check a few facts.

Fact: I was away on a 2 week vacation recently
Fact: Scott has had computer issues in recent times, from lagging to monitor issues. - Speed games lag does matter
Fact: Of the 3 links provided I won 1 of the games Scott won 2. - Dice missed on 1 game which I should have had a kill. - What about the other 6 players in the games. Not a single one of them said a thing about any suspicious plays.
Fact: It is hard to win freestyle games when your connection keeps timing out. - From what I heard while I was gone scott's connection went to crap.
Fact: After hitting 5500+ points, scott has opened up to playing more games than just games in which he has a favorable chance of winning. - Such as 1 vs 1 games which can rely heavily on dice and drops more so than multi player games.
Fact: When you have not played in 2 weeks it takes a game or 2 to warm back up. - Check the freestyle doubles game I played and royally screwed up.
Fact: Scott's comp issues recently got fixed. - New monitor and connection getting worked out. - Surely all computers are the same and everybody has the same speed in speed games? (OK sarcasm)


In short these games are all a matter of seconds. 5 seconds is too long. Missing on dice does not help anything either. Switching fronts on CM is usally easy unless you get the dreaded "You cannot attack X from Y. I offer for you or any other mod to watch a few games and keep up with the action. Let me know what you think personally. Looking at logs and links can only be soo good. Watching is a bit better, and well playing 1 or 2 is the best idea. If you played 1 or 2 you would quickly see nothing is going on here.


Edited to add one more fact

Fact: Since my return scott's score has gone down even further. over 300 point drop or something like that.

[Scott-Land]

For the record, maxatstuy, you are stating that Scott-Land and Bruceswar has been cheating because Bruceswar has been making suspicious moves that seems to be giving the game for Scott-Land. This was brought up because Scott-Land was losing a lot of games when he was not playing with Bruceswar. But ever since Bruceswar came back, when these two played several games together again, Scott-Land began winning once again, suspiciously. You have provided 3 games to support your claim that Bruceswar is trying to give games to Scott-Land.

I do apologize, it's quite a lengthy post but what am I to do?

I was at 5300ish and Conqueror right before I started my triples with Wain/Neph around Sept 30/Oct 01. I'll pull my 8 man games from that date forward as it's the only time stamp I have for my rank. The last game I played with Bruce is # 3141905 on Sept 28. These are the games without Bruce- In total 16-22 ending @ # 3421465 42% win rate.

@ # Game 3447562 Oct 11 my connection problem started.
2008-10-11 14:55:53 - Phlaim: he mustve lost connection or something

2008-10-11 15:03:15 - karelpietertje: if scott would have been here all the time, he would have won it now -.-

I lose 8 in a row because of my connection. 8 games does not equate to 1600 points. I'm not about to go through and add all my assassin and 1 vs 1 games that I've played and lost. Like I've stated, once you've reached the top ( knowing that if you play any games, you're never going to stay up there) I've been less selective of my games to say the least.

2008-10-12 16:06:07 - laddida: scott why you playing this with your shit connection

Bruce is back on the October 13. After the stretch of 8 losses... starting @ 3487968 I'm 4-3 ; again without Bruce in the lineup.
I've replaced my monitor get a new modem around Oct 17.

2008-10-18 17:51:47 - timmy1: didnt expect that on miro scott
2008-10-18 17:52:39 - Scott-Land: im on my new hardware-- feeling a bit frisky

Max is claiming I lost 5300 - 3686 = 1614 points in 8 games where I missed turns during sweeps. Let alone other circumstances that may hinder a win i.e. stacks being hit, 2 pair, hangings , mistakes etc.

3 games in question:

Game 3511099 I miss a territory and gift Bruce an easy steal. EDIT: ( To clarify, it wasn't just Bruce as he was 3 territories away with 2 players of 40+ stacks that were adjacent to the territory I missed). He drops and goes after teal. Has good numbers until he reaches Greenland and bricks with 3 left .I trudge through lag @ 3 seconds a terr from Kam and make the steal. During this, I see Bruce single attacking ( autoed with 3 left- accountable for at least 2-3 seconds) Greenland down to 1. Prank even stated in a post that he had proper numbers for the kill, just bad dice. In theory, Bruce went for the kill ( one that he was mathematically supposed to win) misses and decides to intentionally not hit Greenland from Iceland ? That takes a lot of cooperation from an unknown source to force his attack to fail ! Or perhaps one too many clicks from Ontario that finally registered and when he went to attack from Iceland received error messages. I think the latter is more reasonable.

Game 3494159 Another game I had no business in because of connection problems yet again. Bruce makes a kill on teal.

2008-10-19 01:02:09 - Bruceswar assaulted Miro from Duchamp and conquered it from something_fierce
2008-10-19 01:02:10 - Bruceswar assaulted Magritte from Miro and conquered it from something_fierce
2008-10-19 01:02:11 - Bruceswar assaulted Dali from Magritte and conquered it from something_fierce
2008-10-19 01:02:12 - Bruceswar assaulted Kline from Rothko and conquered it from something_fierc

I'm in Kandasky (China) with 6 armies and teal has 3 in Kline ( Siam ), I lag and miss the steal. Even if I hadn't it takes Bruce a second per territory. Does that look like he's trying to give me a steal? The routes we choose for a kill may not be the wisest but if the drop allows us to make a kill without switching fronts, it's the one usually chosen.

Yes- Dat disagreed with Bruce's route as we all are critical and see more when we're railing a game. It changes quite a bit once you're under the gun.

2008-10-19 01:02:47 - DAT_WAT_SHE_SAID: bruce, y leave kline till last, if scott wasnt connectionally retarted he wuda got that

Another interesting comment made by Dat- I was already dead and pissed because my connection let me down yet again so I had left the game. It appears that Bruce dropped poorly on his next kill and gave Gigadahk a shot at a steal. Since it was Gig, there's no thread being made but what if it were me in his place instead ? How would that look ? By the way, Bruce won that game.

2008-10-19 01:06:41 - DAT_WAT_SHE_SAID: i cant beleive u didnt get orange giga, u just needed to auto one of bruces fronts

Game 3491281

2008-10-18 13:54:39 - Bruceswar: dice...
2008-10-18 13:54:50 - Bruceswar: 19 vs 11 ugh

Another game where Bruce missed, 19 vs 11 and he bricked in Central. I had to run over gray from W Us as all he had to do was take 7 vs 3 for the steal. One common theme to Bruce's game is his aggression. He will go after a lot of kills, some wise some not so wise which in turn allows for more steals and mistakes. Once you learn how a player plays, you begin setting up for those plays.


I went through this same bullshit Achilles a few months ago. I'm sick and tired of having to justify myself each time someone throws out unwarranted accusations. I've spent almost 2 hours digging up my games- certainly not something I want to do although necessary. Something must be done about a childish vendetta this kid has against me !

[king achilles]

I am only clarifying what maxatstuy is stating, since this thread was brought here in the C&A forum. You can be sure that this will be evaluated not by me alone, as with the previous case.