MasterGuns [Warned]

[roconnor]

Accused:

MasterGuns

The accused are suspected of:
Severe PM Abuse

Game number(s):

3647370
4164165
3998532

Also many games with jlduff - but I am not in those so don't know if I should complain.

Comments:
Seems to breach rule:
"It is typically advised to not post in the chats of games you are not playing. If you do wish to post in another player's game, please keep your comments limited to a Good Luck comment or a quick question. Spamming or trolling other player's games is not allowed."

Seems to be MasterGuns's response to his complaint in viewtopic.php?f=5&t=77043 against me and jlduff.

[MasterGuns]

MasterGuns reply:

RE: Game 3624182

I believe it is questionable if my (Non-threatening) warning to other players should be conceived as spamming or trolling. I did not leave more than one message in any of this players games and my comment was not vulgar or offensive in nature. The message I did leave was a simple warning to other players that these two players violated the rules of secret diplomacy. This is the actual Rule as stated in the Rules section:

Rule #2: No secret diplomacy

Any form of diplomatic discussion between opponents must be posted in the game chat in English or in a language that all opponents understand.

Therefore using coded messages (as both players clearly did in the game chat) is a clear violation of this rule#2.

[Woodruff]

MasterGuns reply:
RE: Game 3624182
I believe it is questionable if my (Non-threatening) warning to other players should be conceived as spamming or trolling. I did not leave more than one message in any of this players games and my comment was not vulgar or offensive in nature. The message I did leave was a simple warning to other players that these two players violated the rules of secret diplomacy. This is the actual Rule as stated in the Rules section:

Rule #2: No secret diplomacy
Any form of diplomatic discussion between opponents must be posted in the game chat in English or in a language that all opponents understand.
Therefore using coded messages (as both players clearly did in the game chat) is a clear violation of this rule#2.

I certainly agree that (at least, from what I've witnessed personally), your posts were not vulgar nor offensive in nature. However, the fact of the matter is that they DID NOT voilate the rules of secret diplomacy. Quite honestly, I look at what they posted and it seemed unavoidably clear what they were saying and really does not appear to be a "coded message" at all. So your running around to all of their games is clearly (to me) badmouthing them unwarrantedly. Granted, this is just my opinion and I'm certainly not "official" in any way.

[MasterGuns]

MasterGuns reply:
RE: Game 3624182
I believe it is questionable if my (Non-threatening) warning to other players should be conceived as spamming or trolling. I did not leave more than one message in any of this players games and my comment was not vulgar or offensive in nature. The message I did leave was a simple warning to other players that these two players violated the rules of secret diplomacy. This is the actual Rule as stated in the Rules section:

Rule #2: No secret diplomacy
Any form of diplomatic discussion between opponents must be posted in the game chat in English or in a language that all opponents understand.
Therefore using coded messages (as both players clearly did in the game chat) is a clear violation of this rule#2.

I certainly agree that (at least, from what I've witnessed personally), your posts were not vulgar nor offensive in nature. However, the fact of the matter is that they DID NOT voilate the rules of secret diplomacy. Quite honestly, I look at what they posted and it seemed unavoidably clear what they were saying and really does not appear to be a "coded message" at all. So your running around to all of their games is clearly (to me) badmouthing them unwarrantedly. Granted, this is just my opinion and I'm certainly not "official" in any way.

Well Woodruff, we are all entitled to our own opinion, however the fact of the matter is that they DID Violate the rules of secret Diplomacy. Quite honestly, I played in the game that they used "a language that NOT all opponents understood" the fact that you, who did not even play in the game with the players I have accused, is completely irrelevant. The Rule is stated clearly and the fact that the conversation is not in clear English language to even one opponent is a violation of Rule #2. If we really want to get nit picky we can also ask the other 4 players who were killed off earlier in the game by this unclear treaty and take testimonials from them as well. But this posting of cheating to the mods was to make sure the accused players are aware that what they did was against the rules and that they should not repeat their actions. If the mods also feel as though my responsive actions were in uncalled for I'm sure they will advise me as such.

[lancehoch]

Well Woodruff, we are all entitled to our own opinion, however the fact of the matter is that they DID Violate the rules of secret Diplomacy. Quite honestly, I played in the game that they used "a language that NOT all opponents understood" the fact that you, who did not even play in the game with the players I have accused, is completely irrelevant. The Rule is stated clearly and the fact that the conversation is not in clear English language to even one opponent is a violation of Rule #2. If we really want to get nit picky we can also ask the other 4 players who were killed off earlier in the game by this unclear treaty and take testimonials from them as well. But this posting of cheating to the mods was to make sure the accused players are aware that what they did was against the rules and that they should not repeat their actions. If the mods also feel as though my responsive actions were in uncalled for I'm sure they will advise me as such.

The "language that all opponents understand" clause is referring to actual languages (English, French, Spanish, Italian, ...). I have already ruled on the other thread. MasterGuns, please follow the advice of one of the other users in Game 3998532

keep your squabbles private, please

Warning sent.

[MasterGuns]

Well Woodruff, we are all entitled to our own opinion, however the fact of the matter is that they DID Violate the rules of secret Diplomacy. Quite honestly, I played in the game that they used "a language that NOT all opponents understood" the fact that you, who did not even play in the game with the players I have accused, is completely irrelevant. The Rule is stated clearly and the fact that the conversation is not in clear English language to even one opponent is a violation of Rule #2. If we really want to get nit picky we can also ask the other 4 players who were killed off earlier in the game by this unclear treaty and take testimonials from them as well. But this posting of cheating to the mods was to make sure the accused players are aware that what they did was against the rules and that they should not repeat their actions. If the mods also feel as though my responsive actions were in uncalled for I'm sure they will advise me as such.

The "language that all opponents understand" clause is referring to actual languages (English, French, Spanish, Italian, ...). I have already ruled on the other thread. MasterGuns, please follow the advice of one of the other users in Game 3998532

keep your squabbles private, please

Warning sent.

Sent: Feb 7th, '09, 15:11
From: MasterGuns
To: lancehoch

I gotcha man, Yeah sorry i went a little overboard there, I was just really pissed at the time but I've cooled down since. I think they got the message and hopefully you reiterated it to them as well? Either way I shall refrain from losing my mind in the future (lol) and just stick to posting in the forums so you guys can handle things, sound good?

Thanks,
MasterGuns