Rail Europe [Quenched]

by **BENJIKAT IS DEAD** on Fri May 23, 2008 12:24 pm

My apologies for only posting this after quenching, but I didn't fully realise the implication of the "no connection across stations" until I rolled over the map with BOB map inspect. ( I sound like a stuck record in my recent posts - but can we have a playtest area PLEASE [-o<

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I think that some of the bonuses are a little off:

- Vilnius in particular is +2 for only 3 territories and just 1 border (don't let the fact it "touches" a number of other lines fool you)- I think +1 would be fairer.
- Baltic is +3 for 3 territories and 2 borders - I say +2
- Iberia is 7 territories and 2 borders, but just +2 - I say +3 would be fairer (Scan rail is also 7 territories and 2 borders and is already +3)
- an argument can also be made to make Ukraine Rail +3 too (6 territories and 2 borders, currently +2)

- all the other bonuses are very very hard to hold (especially those competing for shared territories) - and could be pushed a fair bit higher IMO (but in most games they will only come to play in the late game anyway, where there is either a clear leader or a stalemate).

by **fireedud** on Mon May 26, 2008 7:05 am

One thing I've noticed on this map is that when you start leading the game, the bonuses just keep escalating. I felt I was in an AOR game with the armies raising that fast

by **TaCktiX** on Mon May 26, 2008 3:59 pm

This is a small nitpick, but the army count for the top G station of MLO is one pixel too high.

by **demonfork** on Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:39 pm

Paris D does not work with clickable maps. I had to use the drop down menu to attack from that position.

by **cairnswk** on Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:25 am

demonfork wrote:Paris D does not work with clickable maps. I had to use the drop down menu to attack from that position.

Demonfork, i guess you have to see whoever looks after the clickable add-on for that one.

by **fumandomuerte** on Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:10 pm

Mmm there are discrepancies between bonuses as BENJIKAT IS DEAD pointed months ago. Baltic express has 3 territories, only 2 of them in the border and it can be attacked only from 2 outside stations. It should give a +1 or +2 bonus, not a +3, that's even more than oceania in classic risk!
The other mentioned case is, again, Rail Iberia. 7 territories, 2 borders, 2 foes... It should give a +3 bonus...
Ukraine Rail +2 bonus is OK, but a +3 bonus could work too. It's hard to conquer a 6 territories bonus to only get a +2.
Vilnius Express: 3 territories, 1 border, 1 foe... That sounds like a +1 bonus to me

by **cairnswk** on Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:21 pm

fumandomuerte wrote:Mmm there are discrepancies between bonuses as BENJIKAT IS DEAD pointed months ago. Baltic express has 3 territories, only 2 of them in the border and it can be attacked only from 2 outside stations. It should give a +1 or +2 bonus, not a +3, that's even more than oceania in classic risk!
The other mentioned case is, again, Rail Iberia. 7 territories, 2 borders, 2 foes... It should give a +3 bonus...
Ukraine Rail +2 bonus is OK, but a +3 bonus could work too. It's hard to conquer a 6 territories bonus to only get a +2.
Vilnius Express: 3 territories, 1 border, 1 foe... That sounds like a +1 bonus to me

I won't change the bonuses on the say of one or two persons. You know that.
Get other lots of support to have this change and it has a fiar chance of happening.

by **fumandomuerte** on Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:44 pm

cairnswk wrote:I won't change the bonuses on the say of one or two persons. You know that.
Get other lots of support to have this change and it has a fiar chance of happening.

I'll start my campaign then

by **abel** on Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:35 pm

fumandomuerte wrote:
cairnswk wrote:I won't change the bonuses on the say of one or two persons. You know that.
Get other lots of support to have this change and it has a fiar chance of happening.

I'll start my campaign then

I have to agree about the Baltic Express. I sometimes think this game should be called Baltic and Vilnius Express for the WIn. :lol:

While Baltic Express has been good to me in my games, it all depends on the drop so I wouldn't mind a change.. 8-)

by **Industrial Helix** on Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:14 am

I'm in favor of leaving it as it is. I mean, yeah, the bonuses are a tad unfair but that's part of the game.

by **nikola_milicki** on Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:08 pm

I believe 3 armies is too much for M bonus, sorry I dunno if this was discussed somewhere already.

anyway, 3 armies for 3 land bonus with 2 borders way to much, noticed this in my games, I always tried to grab it and it was always a huge advantage for my team once we got it, and ofc it sucks when other teams gets better drop up there

by **thenobodies80** on Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:33 am

[Merged] with the Rail Europe Map Topic

by **nikola_milicki** on Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:35 am

can somebody plz explain why is M bonus +3? bcuz it has 2 borders and N and A have only 1? kinda makes P +2 with twice as many lands and also 2 borders ridiculous?

by **benga** on Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:44 am

nikola_milicki wrote:can somebody plz explain why is M bonus +3? bcuz it has 2 borders and N and A have only 1? kinda makes P +2 with twice as many lands and also 2 borders ridiculous?

LOL was just thinking the same thing, B bonus can be broken much easier and it's also +3

by **cairnswk** on Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:02 pm

Guys, i'll have another look at all the bonuses on this map again over Christmas.

by **koontz1973** on Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:46 pm

cairnswk, I would rather you did not. Whilst it is not played by me a lot, it is one of the funny maps that is not perfectly balanced and bland. I like the fact we have some maps like this. Just my thoughts on this issue.

by **cairnswk** on Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:19 pm

koontz1973 wrote:cairnswk, I would rather you did not. Whilst it is not played by me a lot, it is one of the funny maps that is not perfectly balanced and bland. I like the fact we have some maps like this. Just my thoughts on this issue.

Thanks koontz for that vp.

by **JBlombier** on Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:37 pm

Rail Europe is my all time favorite map. And as much as I've always enjoyed the M-bonus against people who didn't see the value of it, I can't say it's very balanced. Because there a lot of bonuses, I think it wouldn't harm the map to make the M-bonus worth 2 troops, instead of 3.

I'm a big fan of the map as it is, so I don't really care if it's changed, but I thougt I might add to the conversation that it's indeed an unfair bonus.

by **cairnswk** on Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:22 am

Thanks for your comments JBlombier

Are these rail lines any better??

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by **isaiah40** on Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:59 pm

I believe they are! Good job cairns!

by **cairnswk** on Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:22 pm

isaiah40 wrote:I believe they are! Good job cairns!

Thank-you isaish40

I test them with the xml and make sure nothing else has moved before asking for upload

by **ManBungalow** on Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:23 pm

I like it.

by **cairnswk** on Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:26 pm

ManBungalow wrote:I like it.

Thank MB

by **cairnswk** on Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:41 pm

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by **codierose** on Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:49 pm

NO no no no no no leave alone why mess a map up for some one whos only played it 5 times bloody hell how many years has this map been here. hell whilst your at it lets go and change all the other maps that have been quenched