First Nations Americas.

[Kabanellas]

it's looking awesome !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MrBenn]

It's back.....

[grifftron]

It's back.....

Will this one pretty much go right thru the foundry since both maps are already out and quenched.. just the little new connectors i guess and its up? I think it would be best to have this as the first / one of the first out on the mega maps.

-griff

[esiemer]

that is a thing of beauty indeed... wow.

[Victor Sullivan]

ABSOLUTELY AMAZING TISHA!!! Hearts a-plenty for you! <3 I have some comments/suggestions:

1. The sea territories are freakin' brilliant.
2. North and South Meso America, as well as Circum-Caribbean, all need to be upped to +3, as they each have 3 borders now, as opposed to the original 2.
3. For the title, might I suggest "First Nations of the Americas"? That way it will be next to the other two First Nations maps in the game finder.
4. More of a graphics suggestion - change the red, purple, and orange on either North or South America, as those same colors appear close to the same colors in the opposite America. Though with the legends as they are, it may not be necessary. Ultimately, your choice.

-Sully

P.S. OMFG THE DRAFT STAMP!!!
P.S.S. Suck this map, World 2.1!

[BlackandYellow]

Amazing
i love it
but i do agree with natty_dead
combining the meso-americas would bring the map together

[bedub1]

EDIT: Oops..this is the Gameplay Workshop and not the Graphics Workshop...my bad. I have nothing useful to add to the discussion.

[Tisha]

will the ship to the east and west become a terit ?

yes

1. North and South Meso America, as well as Circum-Caribbean, all need to be upped to +3, as they each have 3 borders now, as opposed to the original 2.
2. For the title, might I suggest "First Nations of the Americas"? That way it will be next to the other two First Nations maps in the game finder.
3. More of a graphics suggestion - change the red, purple, and orange on either North or South America, as those same colors appear close to the same colors in the opposite America. Though with the legends as they are, it may not be necessary. Ultimately, your choice.

-Sully

if I change like Circum-Caribbean, then It seems I have to change Great Basin also, no? N Meso didn't change that much in it's connection, but I did think about upping S. Meso.

would rather keep the territory colors how they are. they seem obvious to me.. with the legends

This is just an idea/opinion, but I think you could combine the 2 meso-americas into a single bonus... it would sort of bring the map together into a more coherent whole.

I definitely don't wanna combine the edges of the map together and make one massive bonus down there

I know I need better names for the ships, but are those better connections for the west ship?

Click image to enlarge.

[The Bison King]

Will the boats be regular territories or killer neutrals?

[Tisha]

Will the boats be regular territories or killer neutrals?

I wasn't thinking of killer neutrals, I was just thinking neutrals. 74 territories, and 71 is Ideal. I was thinking neutrals on the boats and Nimiipuu.

[Industrial Helix]

Yeah, i agree. Don't combine Mesoamerica.

For the ships, what about significant European ship names in the discovery of the new world? Magellan circumnavigated the world in the Victoria. Columbus came in via the Niña. Those could be the Pacific and Atlantic ships respectively.

Also... the title seems strange to me. What about simply "First Nations of the Americas."

[MrBenn]

"On August 3, 1492, Christopher Columbus set sail from Spain with three small Spanish sailing ships, the Pinta, the Niña, and the Santa María"

[isaiah40]

The Meso Americas should be left as is!

I'm wondering if there should be an attack route from the Pacific ship to one of the Meso America territories? Maybe to Chorotega?

For the ships, what about significant European ship names in the discovery of the new world? Magellan circumnavigated the world in the Victoria. Columbus came in via the Niña. Those could be the Pacific and Atlantic ships respectively.

What he said.

[Tisha]

I changes the title, and the names of the ships.

what else?

Make South Meso-America 3?
what about where the two meso americas meet? draw a border right on the edge of the paper?

connect the Victoria to Tarascan?

neutrals on the boats and Nimiipuu?

[isaiah40]

I changes the title, and the names of the ships.

what else?

1)Make South Meso-America 3?
2)what about where the two meso americas meet? draw a border right on the edge of the paper?

3)connect the Victoria to Tarascan?

4)neutrals on the boats and Nimiipuu?

1) I would be more inclined to increase North Meso America by 1 - see point 3

2)I'd say draw the line on the edge of the paper to divide the two meso americas to avoid any confusion.

3)Yes connect the Victoria to Tarascan.

4)2 neutrals on the boats and 3 on Nimiipuu.

[Tisha]

I changes the title, and the names of the ships.

what else?

1)Make South Meso-America 3?
2)what about where the two meso americas meet? draw a border right on the edge of the paper?

3)connect the Victoria to Tarascan?

4)neutrals on the boats and Nimiipuu?

1) I would be more inclined to increase North Meso America by 1 - see point 3

2)I'd say draw the line on the edge of the paper to divide the two meso americas to avoid any confusion.

3)Yes connect the Victoria to Tarascan.

4)2 neutrals on the boats and 3 on Nimiipuu.

well then I would wanna increase south by one also, since they both have three borders, and the south has one more territory than the north.

[neanderpaul14]

Looks awesome.....can't wait to play it.

[Industrial Helix]

"On August 3, 1492, Christopher Columbus set sail from Spain with three small Spanish sailing ships, the Pinta, the Niña, and the Santa María"

Yes, but the Niña was his favorite.

So i still vote call it the Niña or find an image with 3 ships and call it the Niña, the Pinta and the Santa María.

[benga]

Go for it, looks beautiful!

Can't wait!!

[Tisha]

"On August 3, 1492, Christopher Columbus set sail from Spain with three small Spanish sailing ships, the Pinta, the Niña, and the Santa María"

Yes, but the Niña was his favorite.

So i still vote call it the Niña or find an image with 3 ships and call it the Niña, the Pinta and the Santa María.

the Nina is the only one that made the complete trip.. he started out on the Santa Maria..

same as the Victoria, the guy started out on the Trinidad.. but it didn't work out so well..


I picked Victoria and Nina.

[lostatlimbo]

This looks awesome. Hope it makes it through foundry quickly, since the maps are already established.

[natty dread]

Did you seriously use the words "foundry" and "quickly" in the same sentence?

[MrBenn]

what about where the two meso americas meet? draw a border right on the edge of the paper?

You shouldn;t need to draw a border at all; if you want to enhance it, just add slightly more shadow where the pages overlap. This should be more than sufficient.

3)connect the Victoria to Tarascan?

4)neutrals on the boats and Nimiipuu?

3)Yes connect the Victoria to Tarascan.

Actually, I would suggest reverting back to something almost like you had originally for the connections on the Pacific ocean side of the map. With the proximity of the connections across both sides of the map, the Meso-Americas become even more of a bottle neck; having the cross-map connections converging in the middle sort-of defeats the point of adding them in the first place?

If the path across the sea is redrawn to go beneath the bird and around it to the left, then it would be a better approximation of actual established sea trading routes. I'd take the path from Diaguita to Romo to reflect actual sailing routes:

[Tisha]

Actually, I would suggest reverting back to something almost like you had originally for the connections on the Pacific ocean side of the map. With the proximity of the connections across both sides of the map, the Meso-Americas become even more of a bottle neck; having the cross-map connections converging in the middle sort-of defeats the point of adding them in the first place?

If the path across the sea is redrawn to go beneath the bird and around it to the left, then it would be a better approximation of actual established sea trading routes. I'd take the path from Diaguita to Romo to reflect actual sailing routes:

I don't understand?

the left of the bird, I got.

two connections from Victoria? Maybe just Chumash and Chimu?

[Victor Sullivan]

3. For the title, might I suggest "First Nations of the Americas"? That way it will be next to the other two First Nations maps in the game finder.

Also... the title seems strange to me. What about simply "First Nations of the Americas."

Thanks, IH, just in case she didn't get it the first time, lol...

Would you mind posting your updated map so far, Tisha? It sounds like you've been making the changes, but it'd be nice to see them as you go.

-Sully