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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby Gilligan on Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:43 pm

Hmm... There's no accent on Start a Game
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:12 pm

Gilligan wrote:Hmm... There's no accent on Start a Game


Mmmm. not a big deal for me :) ;)
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby Gilligan on Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:25 pm

cairnswk wrote:
Gilligan wrote:Hmm... There's no accent on Start a Game


Mmmm. not a big deal for me :) ;)


Just made sure you knew because there was an accent in your title ;)
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:40 pm

Gilligan wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
Gilligan wrote:Hmm... There's no accent on Start a Game


Mmmm. not a big deal for me :) ;)


Just made sure you knew because there was an accent in your title ;)

Thanks Gilligan...how is your games going?
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby Crissipos on Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:01 pm

first game I already saw something unfair
all luggers have 5 neutrals, except for one? that's totally unfair.. the people with a reef nearby get an early advantage then

change!

my second game was already decided after 2 round
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby *manimal on Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:19 pm

Crissipos wrote:first game I already saw something unfair
all luggers have 5 neutrals, except for one? that's totally unfair.. the people with a reef nearby get an early advantage then

change!

my second game was already decided after 2 round

thing is the one with the 3 has 3 reefs by it
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby Crissipos on Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:35 pm

*manimal wrote:
Crissipos wrote:first game I already saw something unfair
all luggers have 5 neutrals, except for one? that's totally unfair.. the people with a reef nearby get an early advantage then

change!

my second game was already decided after 2 round

thing is the one with the 3 has 3 reefs by it


doesn't matter, I was one of the players with no reefs close to it, so I couldn't go for it anyway
if all other reefs have 5 neutrals, than that one should have have 5 aswell
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby *manimal on Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:39 pm

Crissipos wrote:
*manimal wrote:
Crissipos wrote:first game I already saw something unfair
all luggers have 5 neutrals, except for one? that's totally unfair.. the people with a reef nearby get an early advantage then

change!

my second game was already decided after 2 round

thing is the one with the 3 has 3 reefs by it


doesn't matter, I was one of the players with no reefs close to it, so I couldn't go for it anyway
if all other reefs have 5 neutrals, than that one should have have 5 aswell

I Dont agree with you personally I think all other reefs have private docks with 5 this one is public so its gets 3.
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby Crissipos on Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:43 pm

it only takes 5 neutrals to get there, on all others you have to take out minimum 8
so you do have a disadvantage if you don't have a reef close to it
and what if you start a 3 player game, and you have all 3 reefs there
it just has to be changed :)
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby *manimal on Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:46 pm

Crissipos wrote:it only takes 5 neutrals to get there, on all others you have to take out minimum 8
so you do have a disadvantage if you don't have a reef close to it
and what if you start a 3 player game, and you have all 3 reefs there
it just has to be changed :)

well I personally dont agree with you and that would be a rare start like starting with africa in classic.
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby Crissipos on Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:55 pm

rare start, I don't know, it happened already twice in 4 games lol
and just whoever gets one or two luggers as first wins
they shouldn't connect to all other luggers
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby *manimal on Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:55 pm

Crissipos wrote:rare start, I don't know, it happened already twice in 4 games lol
and just whoever gets one or two luggers as first wins
they shouldn't connect to all other luggers

JUST QUIT WHINING!
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby Gilligan on Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:56 pm

cairnswk wrote:
Gilligan wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
Gilligan wrote:Hmm... There's no accent on Start a Game


Mmmm. not a big deal for me :) ;)


Just made sure you knew because there was an accent in your title ;)

Thanks Gilligan...how is your games going?


Only got to take one turn, but I'm excited! :D
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby Crissipos on Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:00 pm

*manimal wrote:
Crissipos wrote:rare start, I don't know, it happened already twice in 4 games lol
and just whoever gets one or two luggers as first wins
they shouldn't connect to all other luggers

JUST QUIT WHINING!


well you just lost to me because of the exact same things I said here
I bet other people will agree soon, or people will just not play this map anymore after a while
but I'll stop now ;p

oh and one of those 3 luggers has to kill 2 extra neutrals!
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:06 pm

Crissipos wrote:
*manimal wrote:
Crissipos wrote:rare start, I don't know, it happened already twice in 4 games lol
and just whoever gets one or two luggers as first wins
they shouldn't connect to all other luggers

JUST QUIT WHINING!


well you just lost to me because of the exact same things I said here
I bet other people will agree soon, or people will just not play this map anymore after a while
but I'll stop now ;p

oh and one of those 3 luggers has to kill 2 extra neutrals!

Crissipos...thanks for the feedback, what game are you in or was this?
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby *manimal on Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:08 pm

cairnswk wrote:
Crissipos wrote:
*manimal wrote:
Crissipos wrote:rare start, I don't know, it happened already twice in 4 games lol
and just whoever gets one or two luggers as first wins
they shouldn't connect to all other luggers

JUST QUIT WHINING!


well you just lost to me because of the exact same things I said here
I bet other people will agree soon, or people will just not play this map anymore after a while
but I'll stop now ;p

oh and one of those 3 luggers has to kill 2 extra neutrals!

Crissipos...thanks for the feedback, what game are you in or was this?

on then you join my 1vs1.
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby Crissipos on Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:11 pm

cairnswk wrote:
Crissipos wrote:
*manimal wrote:
Crissipos wrote:rare start, I don't know, it happened already twice in 4 games lol
and just whoever gets one or two luggers as first wins
they shouldn't connect to all other luggers

JUST QUIT WHINING!


well you just lost to me because of the exact same things I said here
I bet other people will agree soon, or people will just not play this map anymore after a while
but I'll stop now ;p

oh and one of those 3 luggers has to kill 2 extra neutrals!

Crissipos...thanks for the feedback, what game are you in or was this?


you're welcome! :) and cairnswk, it's in all games, it's just that the 3 neutrals should be changed to 5 on lugger genocruz
and whoever gets a lugger as first is almost the winner (this is the case in a 2-3 players games though) and actually everyone should have the same neutrals to kill in order to get to some special territory
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:50 pm

Crissipos wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
Crissipos wrote:
*manimal wrote:
Crissipos wrote:rare start, I don't know, it happened already twice in 4 games lol
and just whoever gets one or two luggers as first wins
they shouldn't connect to all other luggers

JUST QUIT WHINING!


well you just lost to me because of the exact same things I said here
I bet other people will agree soon, or people will just not play this map anymore after a while
but I'll stop now ;p

oh and one of those 3 luggers has to kill 2 extra neutrals!

Crissipos...thanks for the feedback, what game are you in or was this?


you're welcome! :) and cairnswk, it's in all games, it's just that the 3 neutrals should be changed to 5 on lugger genocruz
and whoever gets a lugger as first is almost the winner (this is the case in a 2-3 players games though) and actually everyone should have the same neutrals to kill in order to get to some special territory


i'm not sure if there was sone special reason we did that...so long ago...but i am in the process of correcting but it won't happen straight away. Sorry there is ripway and lack lag time
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby edbeard on Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:00 pm

don't jump to conclusions and go changing the map before there's a large enough sample size to see if it's really a problem
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby Crissipos on Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:42 pm

well edboard, you can already see the problem by only seeing the starting neutrals already, without playing
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby rom_tobins on Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:45 pm

I personally thing that 3 guys on the 1 lugger is a huge problem. If your playing a 2 or 3 player game, and your not by that spot you lose. Seeing as if u hold a lugger once you basicly have won the game, if your playing with a small amount of players. Starting with 3 reefs, and getting 1 lugger gives u 9 men... plus with u being able to attack every other lugger u can stop anyone else from getting 1 and grow your power quickly.



If it was a 8 player game, sure some players would fight for it, but there is 1 reef that you have 2 go through 10 men how unfair is that?
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:48 pm

edbeard wrote:don't jump to conclusions and go changing the map before there's a large enough sample size to see if it's really a problem


well...i'm sure that when the word gets around, it'll be a bushfire..but i'll hold off.
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby rom_tobins on Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:52 pm

i personally wouldn't mind seeing the luggers, not being able to attack each other as well. i mean u hold 1 and get 3 men per snorkel, and depending how many players are in the game thats anywhere from 2 extra men to 6 men plus the 1 guy for just having the lugger, from that u already have a dominate power because u can attack the other luggers and stop anyone from taking 1, and then u get stronger and stronger very quickly. ofcourse if more then 1 player is lucky to get and hold a lugger at the same time, not to mention take there turn before the other takes urs from you. then it might not be so easy 2 win...but really its a race to the luggers, if ur not there by the 2nd or 3rd turn you have already lost.

In a sequal game witch i am currently playing i got 2 go first, by end of round 2 we both were holding luggers, though sense he couldn;t stop me from keeping mine thats 10 guys deployed to take his, and go all the way to his reef.
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:00 pm

rom_tobins wrote:i personally wouldn't mind seeing the luggers, not being able to attack each other as well....


I'm sorry rom_tobins....that is not going to happen.
this map was developed on that theme, and it will remain that way.
In the sense that luggers can attack other luggers, it is no different from AoR theme games being able to attack ports. If these were taken away, then let's just return to play classic map. ;)
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Re: Treasures of Galápagos [Quenched]

Postby cairnswk on Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:02 pm

rom_tobins wrote:I personally thing that 3 guys on the 1 lugger is a huge problem. If your playing a 2 or 3 player game, and your not by that spot you lose. Seeing as if u hold a lugger once you basicly have won the game, if your playing with a small amount of players. Starting with 3 reefs, and getting 1 lugger gives u 9 men... plus with u being able to attack every other lugger u can stop anyone else from getting 1 and grow your power quickly.



If it was a 8 player game, sure some players would fight for it, but there is 1 reef that you have 2 go through 10 men how unfair is that?

i'd thought that the way the number of armies were split into neutrals was quiet fair and that everyone had the same opportunity if they chose to take it.
There are 8 reef (starting positions) and 8 luggers. Perhaps you took a wrong turn and made a bad decision about which lugger to get.
each reef is 10 neutrals away from a watering hole which together with the reef holds the highest bonus.
If players want to get to a lugger and wipe you out, then that is the nature of the game. ;)
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