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Re: (Classic) [I] Forbidden City V15(P10) - Gameplay

Postby yeti_c on Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:14 pm

Dammit - I keep seeing this in the forum and keep thinking someone is remaking the classic map with a forbidden city style!!

Can you move your (classic) bit to the end instead of the beginning.

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Re: (Classic) [I] Forbidden City V15(P10) - Gameplay

Postby Androidz on Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:16 pm

yeti_c wrote:Dammit - I keep seeing this in the forum and keep thinking someone is remaking the classic map with a forbidden city style!!

Can you move your (classic) bit to the end instead of the beginning.

C.


:O that could be fun tough:D
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Re: (Classic) [I] Forbidden City V15(P10) - Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:03 pm

yeti_c wrote:Dammit - I keep seeing this in the forum and keep thinking someone is remaking the classic map with a forbidden city style!!
Can you move your (classic) bit to the end instead of the beginning.
C.

For you C...anything - well almost. :)
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Re: (Classic) [I] Forbidden City V15(P10) - Gameplay

Postby Androidz on Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:06 pm

Androidz wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
Androidz wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
Androidz wrote:The attack routes on the lanterns, people and countries is to hard for me to see. I just look like lines in colours with some odd dots on it.

That's exactly what it is. Do you know of another way to show it.

I like the city tough nicely done:D
Thanks. :)


Instead of useing fussy dots i would recommand Wires with arrowheads..or something like that. It would look more like lanterns if you use Wires wont it?:S well its probbably more ways to fix this i just said was i tought was a problem, and i didint mean to offend your map or anything.

np:D


Androidz...no worries ytou didn't offend me, but we had already been over this attack routes and most people were happy with what has been done...or there was no indication to the contrary until you mentioned it. If you read back through the thread you'll see where it came from. Laterns hanging on wires would approriate in RL, but not on this map where players need to see where the borders are.
I was only after a suggestion that i thought you might have been able to provide that was better than existing.
:)
I don't know about arrowheads, i like to keep these for one-way or absolute two-way indicators on my maps.
If you think of something else, then don't hesitate to offer it. :)


Ok i didint know people was happy about this. But what about instead of useing Colorlines with fuzzy dots. You have Blue Dot on the lanterns who can attack echoter, and green on another which can attack anohter or something like the Docksystem on Aor and Portal setup in other maps..? You can still use the lines but adding some colour system to which it attack would be good right? I Think it is theese fuzzy dots which is confusing to me...

Again great work on makeing this awsome map:D i wish you had time to do my maps:D

Also most of the names and legend writeing his a bit dim to me, its hard to see for they who dont got 100% good sight..and i dont know how it will go for the colourblind anyway maybe some darker letters and a stronger Silverish glow around them? Some of the names go over to other borders and some of them got - to bind them. Well i think thats a bit hard to fix.:D dont mind my commenting im just pricky:D


i think you skipped over this? or not??? anyway i treid my best..
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Re: Forbidden City V15 (P10) (Classic Gp) [I] - Gameplay

Postby Qwert on Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:52 pm

Sorry i dont notice army circle on country box. Why you not put circles? Its these will been withouth circles? I think that if you put more px to left and right to box , you will get enough space on box. Also i add Flag of austria-hungary empire. All flags you can find in wikipedia.
Can you show where will numbers bee,to know how to experiment with names.
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Re: Forbidden City V16 (P11) (Classic Gp) [I]

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:13 pm

qwert wrote:Sorry i dont notice army circle on country box. Why you not put circles? Its these will been withouth circles? I think that if you put more px to left and right to box , you will get enough space on box. Also i add Flag of austria-hungary empire. All flags you can find in wikipedia.
Can you show where will numbers bee,to know how to experiment with names.


Version 16.

1. there isn't any need for army circle in the houses as the house are the army circle boxes.
2. Flags should be correct now - yes i got them from wikipedia
3. lanterns straightened
4. 8 nation alliance colour reduced to allow text to be well seen.
5. change to legend for dynasties and who they can attack and border on the yellow imperial meridian.

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Re: (Classic) [I] Forbidden City V15(P10) - Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:26 pm

Androidz wrote:
Androidz wrote:....

Ok i didint know people was happy about this. But what about instead of useing Colorlines with fuzzy dots. You have Blue Dot on the lanterns who can attack echoter, and green on another which can attack anohter or something like the Docksystem on Aor and Portal setup in other maps..? You can still use the lines but adding some colour system to which it attack would be good right? I Think it is theese fuzzy dots which is confusing to me...

Again great work on makeing this awsome map:D i wish you had time to do my maps:D

Also most of the names and legend writeing his a bit dim to me, its hard to see for they who dont got 100% good sight..and i dont know how it will go for the colourblind anyway maybe some darker letters and a stronger Silverish glow around them? Some of the names go over to other borders and some of them got - to bind them. Well i think thats a bit hard to fix.:D dont mind my commenting im just pricky:D


i think you skipped over this? or not??? anyway i treid my best..


no i didn't skip over this....i just didn't want to get to it last night when i was due for some sleep and it was already 1:30 am.

i get the gist of what you mean with the docking system etc. for the attack lines.
1. i don't like to copy other systems from other maps - i like my maps to be unique.
2. putting the docking system in or the coloured dots would require some explanation in the legend, where this is no room left.
3. those indicators are not flowers, and you will see this all better if the big map is displayed which is what you might have to play on - don't worry about the large image yet as there are lots of repairs that have to made to the lines, the propogation increase doesn't always translate up well to the larger size but this will be ficed by the time the map is split into two version.
4. the borders symbol indicators keep the design chinese flavour

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Re: Forbidden City V16 (P11) (Classic Gp) [I] - Gameplay

Postby Qwert on Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:41 pm

well aim satisfy with A<H EMPIRE,but in any case be prepare if people start anoing you,and move russia box close to Bonus box and add 6px to AH house(you need these number to put Austria Hungary without empire),these is mine opinion.
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Re: Forbidden City V17 (P11) (Classic Gp) [I] - Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:00 pm

qwert wrote:well aim satisfy with A<H EMPIRE,but in any case be prepare if people start anoing you,and move russia box close to Bonus box and add 6px to AH house(you need these number to put Austria Hungary without empire),these is mine opinion.

Yeh, thanks Qwert. I'll look at adjusting that shortly, don't want it to look as though A-H Empire has a larger house than the others though.

Here is a version of the small map with the xml written, and the armies on it in living colour ;)
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  <name>Wu Chow</name>
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   <border>Li Yuanhung</border>
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   <border>Emps. Tsu-Hsi</border>
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   <border>Li Zicheng</border>
   <border>Sun Yat-sen</border>
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   <border>Peasants</border>
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</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Imperial Army</name>
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   <border>Wu Gate West</border>
   <border>Emp. Cheng-tsu</border>
   <border>Emp. XianZong</border>
   <border>KMT Army</border>
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   <border>Shenwu Gate East</border>
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   <border>Italy</border>
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   <border>Emp. XianZong</border>
   <border>Emp. Pu Yi</border>
   <border>Emps. Tsu-Hsi</border>
   <border>NW Tower</border>
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   <border>Emp. Cheng-tsu</border>
   <border>Emp. XianZong</border>
   <border>Emp. Pu Yi</border>
   <border>Emps. Tsu-Hsi</border>
   <border>NE Tower</border>
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   <border>SW Tower</border>
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   <border>Prince Juan</border>
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<territory>
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   <border>Wu Chow</border>
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<territory>
  <name>Wu Gate</name>
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   <border>Emp. XianZong</border>
   <border>Emp. Pu Yi</border>
   <border>Emps. Tsu-Hsi</border>
   <border>Wu Gate East</border>
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   <border>Five Bridges Court</border>
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   <border>SE Tower</border>
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   <border>Wu Gate</border>
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   <border>Imperial Army</border>
   <border>SW Tower</border>
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<!-- Start Towers -->

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   </borders>
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<territory>
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   <border>Imperial Army</border>
   <border>Wu Gate</border>
   <border>Five Bridges Court</border>
   <border>Sea of Flagstones</border>
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   <border>Hall of Preserving Harmony</border>
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   <border>Emperess's Palace</border>
   <border>Imperial Garden</border>
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   <border>Yo</border>
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</territory>

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<!-- Start Gardens -->

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   <border>Emps. Tsu-Hsi</border>
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   <border>Hall of Preserving Harmony</border>
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   <border>Emp. XianZong</border>
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Re: Forbidden City V17 (P11) (Classic Gp) [I] - with armies

Postby Androidz on Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:05 pm

Well i will always think those dots is confuseing i got no idea if they is Impassibles or not. But, those Menn on those coins did you do cartoon figures on purpose or are you makeing them better?

EDIT: i think starting to get those fuzzy dots:D
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Re: Forbidden City V17 (P11) (Classic Gp) [I] - with armies

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:09 pm

Androidz wrote:Well i will always think those dots is confuseing i got no idea if they is Impassibles or not. But, those Menn on those coins did you do cartoon figures on purpose or are you makeing them better?

Hopefully i will change them...they have Vivid Light blend mode on them.
They are small photos bitmapped & treated with blend mode. i don't see them as cartoons - far from it.
If you read the legend on the outsiders - it says they are border indicators.
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Re: Forbidden City V17 (P11) (Classic Gp) [I] - with armies

Postby Androidz on Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:11 pm

cairnswk wrote:
Androidz wrote:Well i will always think those dots is confuseing i got no idea if they is Impassibles or not. But, those Menn on those coins did you do cartoon figures on purpose or are you makeing them better?

Hopefully i will change them...they have Vivid Light blend mode on them.
They are small photos bitmapped & treated with blend mode. i don't see them as cartoons - far from it.
If you read the legend on the outsiders - it says they are border indicators.


kk. Sorry my english isint that good and Border Indicators dont tell me much but i have figured out that the fuzzy dats is where the following place can attack?
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Re: Forbidden City V17 (P11) (Classic Gp) [I] - with armies

Postby Qwert on Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:08 am

Can you add some Black stroke to Gates and towers in Bonuses,its not good readabile.
Impasabile in bonuses box-the moat look blurry when you compare with other impasabile images.
Flags is correct now.

Well these is all for me,i dont see any other major issue on these map.
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Re: Forbidden City V18 (P11) (Classic Gp) [I] - Adjustments

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:05 pm

qwert wrote:Can you add some Black stroke to Gates and towers in Bonuses,its not good readabile.
Impasabile in bonuses box-the moat look blurry when you compare with other impasabile images.
Flags is correct now.

Well these is all for me,i dont see any other major issue on these map.


Thanks Qwert.
I change all the names on the legend, i think look better now.
Fix also the impassibles.

Version 18 below:

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Re: Forbidden City V18(P11) (Classic) [I] - Gameplay Discussions

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:11 pm

No comments = everyone's happy?
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Re: Forbidden City V18(P11) (Classic) [I] - Gameplay Discussions

Postby ZeakCytho on Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:38 pm

Does the Imperial Median go through the three main Halls in the center? I think there's a faint line there, but my eyes could be playing tricks on me. If there is a line, could you make it more apparent?
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Re: Forbidden City V19 (p12)

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:00 pm

ZeakCytho wrote:Does the Imperial Median go through the three main Halls in the center? I think there's a faint line there, but my eyes could be playing tricks on me. If there is a line, could you make it more apparent?

Yes. and Yes. How's this now below in Version 19.

Because I've written in the xml that Ming and Qing Emperor's can't attack each other without holding the Wu Gate (time constraint) i've also changed the diagram below showing that Meridian.

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Re: Forbidden City V18(P11) (Classic) [I] - Gameplay Discussions

Postby ZeakCytho on Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:02 pm

It's better, but I still think it looks too faint. Maybe see what others think, though.
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Re: Forbidden City V18(P11) (Classic) [I] - Gameplay Discussions

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:13 pm

ZeakCytho wrote:It's better, but I still think it looks too faint. Maybe see what others think, though.

Zeak. refresh your screen and look now, i think it is much better now.
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Re: Forbidden City V18(P11) (Classic) [I] - Gameplay Discussions

Postby ZeakCytho on Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:19 pm

Yes, now it looks fine. :)

(Was it like that before, and I just hadn't refreshed?)
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Re: Forbidden City V18(P11) (Classic) [I] - Gameplay Discussions

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:28 pm

ZeakCytho wrote:Yes, now it looks fine. :)

(Was it like that before, and I just hadn't refreshed?)

no, i did move it higher in the layering schemata.
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Re: Forbidden City V18(P11) (Classic) [I] - Gameplay Discussions

Postby ZeakCytho on Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:30 pm

Oh, okay. Looks good to me now :D
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Re: Forbidden City V19(P12) (Classic) [I] - Comments?

Postby TaCktiX on Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:01 pm

Ah, time for another long list of little tweaks. Cairns, you really make feedback fun.

On the legend, all of the text, particularly the drop-shadowed bigger text, seems flat and uninteresting next to the killer scroll texture you've got in place. The Ming and Qing look just fine, for comparison. Also of note is that the drop shadows make almost all the text it applies to harder to read.

The Ming/Qing separator in the legend fades out of existence unless you're paying attention to it. Considering that the orange dotted line you have stated there doesn't separate either dynasty (rather, it joins them through the meridian attack thing), I would suggest switching it to something else. Perhaps a throwback to that ornamental separator you had several versions back.

The border indicator doesn't seem to resolve to anything even though it seems like it should. I'm not sure what to suggest to fix this, but you always come up with something. :D

Both A-H Empire and Germany look weird directly above their respective border indicators. I know that the entire set of territories up there is standardized width, so I would suggest a full change across them all to make that weird overhang disappear.

With the bridges on NE Outer Court and SW Outer Court, they look like your brush slipped down while trying to draw around the river. Are there actually three bridges across the river on those territories? If not, I would suggest condensing down to one, wider bridge. For comparison, SW Court and SE Outer Court look pretty good. Five Bridges Court could use a similar revamp, but it's kinda...five bridges.

On the right side, both the Boxers (Li Yuan-hung, Yuan Shih-kal) and the Foreigners (Catholics) have an unnecessary border overhang on the left side. On the left side, Sun Yat-sen has the same kind of overhang.

All over the map the outer edges of a lot of territory names end up getting lost due to color changes. This is most evident on the blue-ish palace borders in the city, and the edges of the lanterns on the outside. The subtle outer glow helps, but moving text around would also help.

Finally, the Eunuchs Fu, Li, and Tsi look weird with the solid vertical, but I don't see any way to fix it without being slammed with lack of continuity.

Nice work so far, cairns.
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Re: Forbidden City V19(P12) (Classic) [I] - Comments?

Postby cairnswk on Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:35 pm

TaCktiX wrote:Ah, time for another long list of little tweaks. Cairns, you really make feedback fun.

And you make it seem...well.. less than humbling. ;)

On the legend, all of the text, particularly the drop-shadowed bigger text, seems flat and uninteresting next to the killer scroll texture you've got in place. The Ming and Qing look just fine, for comparison. Also of note is that the drop shadows make almost all the text it applies to harder to read.

Perhaps i should revert to earlier version.

The Ming/Qing separator in the legend fades out of existence unless you're paying attention to it. Considering that the orange dotted line you have stated there doesn't separate either dynasty (rather, it joins them through the meridian attack thing), I would suggest switching it to something else. Perhaps a throwback to that ornamental separator you had several versions back.

Not sure what you mean here. That meridian has been there since the first version. I don't like your suggestion.

The border indicator doesn't seem to resolve to anything even though it seems like it should. I'm not sure what to suggest to fix this, but you always come up with something. :D

Yes still looking to fix that.

Both A-H Empire and Germany look weird directly above their respective border indicators. I know that the entire set of territories up there is standardized width, so I would suggest a full change across them all to make that weird overhang disappear.

Would you now!

With the bridges on NE Outer Court and SW Outer Court, they look like your brush slipped down while trying to draw around the river. Are there actually three bridges across the river on those territories? If not, I would suggest condensing down to one, wider bridge. For comparison, SW Court and SE Outer Court look pretty good. Five Bridges Court could use a similar revamp, but it's kinda...five bridges.

I luv it when you make suggestions that are beyond ignorance...there are actually five bridges in five bridges court, and three bridges in each of the other courts, and several single ones that aren't actually on this map. Remember, I didn't design this place, it already existed. So perhaps you could accept somethings for what they are. But i will tidy that up so it seems as though my paint brush didn't slip.

On the right side, both the Boxers (Li Yuan-hung, Yuan Shih-kal) and the Foreigners (Catholics) have an unnecessary border overhang on the left side. On the left side, Sun Yat-sen has the same kind of overhang.

I see where you're talking about, buy why do you think it is unnecessary. If it is part of my design, once again accept some things. Think of it as a cul-de-sac

All over the map the outer edges of a lot of territory names end up getting lost due to color changes. This is most evident on the blue-ish palace borders in the city, and the edges of the lanterns on the outside. The subtle outer glow helps, but moving text around would also help.

Mmmmm, for investigation.

Finally, the Eunuchs Fu, Li, and Tsi look weird with the solid vertical, but I don't see any way to fix it without being slammed with lack of continuity.

does it really matter? It fits and is legible.

Nice work so far, cairns.
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That at least is encouraging. :)
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Re: Forbidden City V19(P12) (Classic) [I] - Comments?

Postby TaCktiX on Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:44 pm

The Ming/Qing separator in the legend fades out of existence unless you're paying attention to it. Considering that the orange dotted line you have stated there doesn't separate either dynasty (rather, it joins them through the meridian attack thing), I would suggest switching it to something else. Perhaps a throwback to that ornamental separator you had several versions back.


Not sure what you mean here. That meridian has been there since the first version. I don't like your suggestion.


I was purely referring to the legend, and noting the meridian on the map only inasmuch as its relation to the legend version.

Cairnswk wrote:I luv it when you make suggestions that are beyond ignorance...there are actually five bridges in five bridges court, and three bridges in each of the other courts, and several single ones that aren't actually on this map. Remember, I didn't design this place, it already existed. So perhaps you could accept somethings for what they are. But i will tidy that up so it seems as though my paint brush didn't slip.


I was pretty sure there were that many bridges, but I couldn't be positive. My problem is that the triple bridges and five bridges don't have the same defined look as the SW Outer Court's bridge has (that one pixel bridge).

Cairnswk wrote:I see where you're talking about, buy why do you think it is unnecessary. If it is part of my design, once again accept some things. Think of it as a cul-de-sac


With the lovely border indicators you could also complete the circle around the territory. I don't think it's fully integrated into your design as of yet, hence my comments.
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