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Postby RjBeals on Sun Dec 17, 2006 6:00 pm

I didn't want to angle the map, but it works better for displaying on computer monitors. Less 'scrolling'. I will put a directonal compass on the map once I start fixing it up.
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Postby RjBeals on Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:33 pm

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Changed:
1. Added "Parte" in front of Meridionale
2. Added Garda Lake
3. Added mountain range to landscape background. This was hard and I'm still not totally satisfied with the results.
4. Added Compass showing true north to lower left side
5. Added "Monferrato" between Turin-Lombardy gap. This gave an extra territory, so I removed Milano as it looked out of place.
6. Added more cities to make a total of 36 countries.
7. Increased bonus values
8. Inverted South Tyrol & Trentino (Removed word "south")
9. Fixed spelling of several regions


NOT Changed:
1) Ustica is very small, I think only about 1,000 people live there - I feel that positioning island of Pantelleria more north (so it's included in the mapped area) works better.

3) I still didn't make Corsica a part of the map because it's officially not a part of Italy. I read the arguments on earlier posts, and it would flow nicely with the water routes - but didn't feel it should be there.

2) I tried my hardest to keep the Po river flowing across Lombardia region, instead of following the southern border, but I could not get an impassable border (Mountain) I was happy with. If this really bothers people, I will keep trying.

3) I looked at moving territory boundaries so "Central & Southern Italy were split into 3 continents instead of only 2" - I feel it works best the way it is since there are only 36 countries.

4) I'm having trouble replacing the piers with harbour symbols. I don't know what symbols or monuments represent these harbours, other than a small anchor or ship - which I tried, I didn't feel it looked right, and it looses it's shape when it is so small. I have a few anchors placed in the map, do you like these?

5) I linked Puglia (Southern Apulia) with Friulli and not the true port state of Trieste only because the pier symbol would not fit in Trieste. I can fix if it's really wanted

6) Personally I didn't like the idea of airports being connectors, or groups of harbors being countries. I know it's been done on other maps, but I prefer playing for regions only. I had to add a few cities (Turin, Palermo, Rome, Venice, Naples & San Marino) to make 36 countries. The city boundaries are way bigger on my map than in real life because I had to allow room for the numbers & titles.

Whew - This is taking longer than I thought !!
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Postby wicked on Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:56 pm

what are the anchors for?
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Postby RjBeals on Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:00 pm

wicked wrote:what are the anchors for?


Several people didn't like the wooden piers linking the waterways. Just a sample of a harbour symbol of sorts.... I need some suggestions if the wooden piers are not to be used.
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Postby Ruben Cassar on Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:43 pm

I will give my feedback about the piers/anchor debate. I prefer the piers and I didn't find anything wrong with them in the first place. They are quite 'picturesque'. :)

What I would like to see is the names of the regions/cities in Italian but you already told me you would look into that in a previous post so I am assuming you didn't have time to implement that change.

On Monferrato. I actually think it makes the Piemonte region a bit too cluttered. I cannot understand why you removed Milano as I think it was better that way. Was there any particular reason?

On Sicilia. I would remove Northern Sicily and replace it with the city of Messina which is actually located in that region. I think that makes more sense.
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Postby happysadfun on Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:57 pm

I'm assuming that the raised section is ariver but right now it looks like a varicose vein.



Man, I love using metaphors.


I like thae sandy look, though. It draws attention to the map, rather than the water. Good job!
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Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:02 pm

Well this map is surely coming along RJ! Looking much nicer than many of the previous versions...

Right now I'll just comment on the visuals...

  • I really like the overall look you have going, it's unique and a 'lighter map', something we haven't had lately.
  • I would suggest perhaps changing Parte Meridionale's color from blue to a light purple, that still blends with the map, might be something to look into. Right now, Parte M. looks a little water logged like a swamp.
  • The rest of the colors I like quite fine, though perhaps make Roma Premio stand out a little more.
  • The water in the rivers and lake looks a little odd, have you tried experimenting with various shades? Just something to play with.
  • Regarding the anchor or the pier...I like the pier. No map currently has a 'pier'...and I think it works rather well with the style and tone of the map. I'd change all to them. Perhaps you could darken the connecting lines a little so they don't get lost in the seas.
  • Regarding the compass, have you considered perhaps drawing a compass that corresponds with the feel and tone of light and soft colors the map has? Just a little something that could add some effect.
  • I do strongly suggest you make the names a little bigger. You might have to play with the positioning, but I think they are on the small side and could use a bump up. You also have to consider how small the names will be on the small map, when you shrink it down.
  • And one last thing...regarding the Bonus Legend. Perhaps you could remove the white background, and have a light, near transparent version the of the Italian flag in the background, or something similar to that. I'm not a big fan of the strong white background.

Looking good! I'll check in later.


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Postby RjBeals on Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:58 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:I do strongly suggest you make the names a little bigger... You also have to consider how small the names will be on the small map, when you shrink it down.


Great feedback from the few posts above. Give me a day or two to work on some revisions. Also, I was not going to just simply reduce the image down. I was going to resize just the map, while keeping the text the same size. But I will look at font. Thanks !!
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Postby Bad Speler on Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:43 pm

It looks like you have your text layer below the army shadow layer, this is noticible on turin and rome. Great map otherwise!
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Postby RjBeals on Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:25 pm

Bad Speler wrote:It looks like you have your text layer below the army shadow layer
Correct. It will be changed. Thanks.
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Postby gavin_sidhu on Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:48 am

Sorry if some of these have been mentioned already but here is what i think needs to be changed:

Treste, Venice, Palermo and to a lesser extent Naples, Turin and San Marino need to be made bigger, they are too small currently and i doubt anybody would mind if these territories took the area of other territories.

Rome should be connected to a Parte Meridionale territory, to make it harder to sercure and for more fights over them to occur.

The outside border of Lombardia looks screwed up at one place which is all white. the lake in lombardia also does not look too good.
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Postby RjBeals on Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:54 pm

Most recent update. Still lots I need to do, but thought & would show the new bonus's I'm thinking of. Also, I need help with Italian names. All I could find is what I have.

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Postby insertnamehere on Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:31 am

thats a prettty good map , has some unique features which other maps dont have . i would enjoy playing that .
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Postby KEYOGI on Sun Dec 24, 2006 7:25 am

Great map. I've tried to find something I don't like, but I can't. Look forward to playing it.
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Postby Bad Speler on Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:02 am

As with Italian names, i remember from the olympics that turin is torino in italian, and rome is roma.
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