F400 Clan Ranking - Needs Repair

by **IcePack** on Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:56 pm

freakns wrote:so, after you have not succeed in anything with your insults, your next step in grand scheme of things is lying?

to all the other players from Fallen: if you have hoped that war against Otpisani will happen, i have to say im sorry, but that is not going to be a case. im sure you are bunch on great players that have already proven yourself, but since your leader has shown to us he will lie to such a trivial thing like this, i can not be sure he will not try to band the rules or cheat in clan war. im not accusing him or anyone else from Fallen to cheat, but i do have my doubts he is manipulative person and thus we have no interest in engaging in clan war with Fallen. unless that clash is scheduled in next CC, and thus inevitable. in that case Otpisani will ask from IcePack not to be contact of Fallen in that challenge. if he refuse, we will ask clan directors to assign someone other then him to be Fallen contact.

liar liar pants on fire...

Instead of jumping to conclusions wrongly, maybe next time send me a pm instead of getting all butt hurt. You misinterpreting what I said and going from a misinterpretation to this without even trying to ensure you read it correctly is pretty extreme. Going from that, to calling me a liar and then from there to saying cheating and requesting a different contact is crazy and just plain idiotic.

I would have been happy to discuss what i posted if you thought that, had you done so you would have realized you were incorrect in how you interpreted what i said and all of this would have been nothing. Instead, you make yourselves look stupid.

But your right, if this is how Otp handles things there will never be a Fallen vs Otp war.

IcePack

by **IcePack** on Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:59 pm

Finsfleet wrote:
IcePack wrote:
I would have said PM's if I meant PM's.

If you meant challange requrest thread you would have said it.

Your post was vague. Wheather it was deliberate or not I don`t care. Everything that freak said in his post still stands, as far as I`m concerned.

Are you kidding me? I wasn't even addressing you guys, i was answering betiko's question. There was nothing deliberate about you guys not understanding what i wrote. Grow up.

IcePack

by **Chariot of Fire** on Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:09 pm

Why don't the parties arguing here start a challenge thread and sort it on the battlefield? None of this debate has anything to do with the F400 and is derailing the thread.

by **IcePack** on Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:13 pm

Chariot of Fire wrote:Why don't the parties arguing here start a challenge thread and sort it on the battlefield? None of this debate has anything to do with the F400 and is derailing the thread.

I dont think we have any interest of facing them in the battlefield after this. But your right, we will get the thread back on topic.

IcePack

by **betiko** on Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:52 pm

lulz omg I never thought I would cause such a shitstorm with my innocent question! :lol:

well too bad, looks like the war between the 2 most promissing new clans won't happen any soon..

by **John Deere** on Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:46 pm

IcePack wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:Why don't the parties arguing here start a challenge thread and sort it on the battlefield? None of this debate has anything to do with the F400 and is derailing the thread.

I dont think we have any interest of facing them in the battlefield after this. But your right, we will get the thread back on topic.

IcePack

Come on Ice! I call BS! Ge out there a prove who is better

Some clans had to suck it up and face us

Some would not... If you think you guys can win you better get out there and school them

by **IcePack** on Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:58 pm

John Deere wrote:
IcePack wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:Why don't the parties arguing here start a challenge thread and sort it on the battlefield? None of this debate has anything to do with the F400 and is derailing the thread.

I dont think we have any interest of facing them in the battlefield after this. But your right, we will get the thread back on topic.

IcePack

Come on Ice! I call BS! Ge out there a prove who is better Some clans had to suck it up and face us Some would not... If you think you guys can win you better get out there and school them

We are facing other clans currently, even of we chose to face them it wouldn't happen immediately anyway. There is always CL or CC. Either way, this is F400 thread. Let's move on.

IcePack

by **Bruceswar** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:07 am

IcePack wrote:
John Deere wrote:
IcePack wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:Why don't the parties arguing here start a challenge thread and sort it on the battlefield? None of this debate has anything to do with the F400 and is derailing the thread.

I dont think we have any interest of facing them in the battlefield after this. But your right, we will get the thread back on topic.

IcePack

Come on Ice! I call BS! Ge out there a prove who is better Some clans had to suck it up and face us Some would not... If you think you guys can win you better get out there and school them

We are facing other clans currently, even of we chose to face them it wouldn't happen immediately anyway. There is always CL or CC. Either way, this is F400 thread. Let's move on.

IcePack

Yeah step up and face them!! Don't wimp out! In other news... KORT is still ranked 1 and if we beat TOFU I wonder what that will do to the rankings.

by **betiko** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:54 am

Bruceswar wrote:
IcePack wrote:
John Deere wrote:
IcePack wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:Why don't the parties arguing here start a challenge thread and sort it on the battlefield? None of this debate has anything to do with the F400 and is derailing the thread.

I dont think we have any interest of facing them in the battlefield after this. But your right, we will get the thread back on topic.

IcePack

Come on Ice! I call BS! Ge out there a prove who is better Some clans had to suck it up and face us Some would not... If you think you guys can win you better get out there and school them

We are facing other clans currently, even of we chose to face them it wouldn't happen immediately anyway. There is always CL or CC. Either way, this is F400 thread. Let's move on.

IcePack

Yeah step up and face them!! Don't wimp out! In other news... KORT is still ranked 1 and if we beat TOFU I wonder what that will do to the rankings.

you might wwant to beat tofu first!

by **Bruceswar** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:14 am

betiko wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:
IcePack wrote:
John Deere wrote:
IcePack wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:Why don't the parties arguing here start a challenge thread and sort it on the battlefield? None of this debate has anything to do with the F400 and is derailing the thread.

I dont think we have any interest of facing them in the battlefield after this. But your right, we will get the thread back on topic.

IcePack

Come on Ice! I call BS! Ge out there a prove who is better Some clans had to suck it up and face us Some would not... If you think you guys can win you better get out there and school them

We are facing other clans currently, even of we chose to face them it wouldn't happen immediately anyway. There is always CL or CC. Either way, this is F400 thread. Let's move on.

IcePack

Yeah step up and face them!! Don't wimp out! In other news... KORT is still ranked 1 and if we beat TOFU I wonder what that will do to the rankings.

you might wwant to beat tofu first!

Don't worry we plan on it.

by **Keefie** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:05 am

This whole argument has been stage managed. The Opticians are just too plain scared to face The Fallen, who in turn, are shitting themselves at the thought of facing the Opticians. The easy option, fake a row, fall out, and they all save face :lol:

by **Qwert** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:14 am

Keefie wrote:This whole argument has been stage managed. The Opticians are just too plain scared to face The Fallen, who in turn, are shitting themselves at the thought of facing the Opticians. The easy option, fake a row, fall out, and they all save face

Opticians

i like these name change :-$

by **IcePack** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:29 am

Anyone interested in an update on the 15th? Any / many wars completed?

by **Dako** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:32 am

We are — big win over PACK completed :P. I think another CCup quarter-finals want them to be included as well.

by **josko.ri** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:03 am

I think it is better to not update all before you include Random League II results from December. You have already ranking which is not accurate excluding those 100+ games, so when on inaccurate rankings you chain more results which are directly related to the inaccurate ones because strength of an opponents also has important role in rankings, then the final standings become even more inaccurate.

by **Dako** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:22 am

They should be added if they are moved to completed challenges and have finished. Are they?

by **IcePack** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:11 am

josko.ri wrote:I think it is better to not update all before you include Random League II results from December. You have already ranking which is not accurate excluding those 100+ games, so when on inaccurate rankings you chain more results which are directly related to the inaccurate ones because strength of an opponents also has important role in rankings, then the final standings become even more inaccurate.

As previousky mentioned, Random League II is waiting on the organizer (benga) to provide the information. If you participated in a League and want the results included, the basic F400 info needs to be provided and so far that hasn't happened. I know last we spoke benga was working on that, I haven't gotten an update as to we're it is. If you'd like the data included, perhaps helping or following up with organizers will help.

After the CL4, it was clear that organizers needed to step up and provide more info since the CD's treat the wars differently (they don't log final dates, and scores in threads weren't accurate or completed in some cases) that it needed to be addressed.

The simplest way to address it is to require organizers to provide the information. If no info is provided, it won't be included (same goes for CL5). I feel if large events like this don't see any improvement in organization, either the community will cry foul loud enough it improves, the community will step up, or the organizers will do the work to attract clans in the competition. Nobody will sign up for an event of they know the organizer won't provide info for F400 and it won't be included, for example. (this was mentioned several times in CL5 thread w little comment).

Organizers of an event need to be held responsible for accurate and complete data of competition, otherwise why run an event when someone else can who would provide the data?
Bracket events (like CC3) are already included by CD's so there is no change to this.

As far as accuracy, when / if I receive the info it won't make inaccurate ranks. There will be very minor reflection in the +/- catagory. I'm happy to hold off for RL2, but I'm not delaying forever on one event.

IcePack

by **IcePack** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:13 am

Dako wrote:They should be added if they are moved to completed challenges and have finished. Are they?

The last several months the wars being moved to completed are regularly 2-8 weeks behind.
I have had to get the completed info from active challenge area for awhile now once all games complete and final score is marked.

by **Keefie** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:32 am

I feel that the above comments regarding organisation of the Random League to be rather harsh.

Benga runs a great competition that is regularly updated and all of the results are available at this website. It's far better organised than the last Clan League was.

http://randoml.leaguerepublic.com/ProcessPublicSelect.do;jsessionid=CE6B6CDC73FB7F8B485B9A9D8DCEFC8D.cmsreporting2?psSelectedSeason=909254707&psSelectedDivision=1957542&psSelectedLeague=2988246

Does the exact finish date of all of these 12 game mini wars really have that much impact ???? The start dates for all of them are available at the above site, just add a couple of weeks to them for each war and you wont be far wrong. Seems to me that some folks on here are just being a little to pedantic/demanding.

by **betiko** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:34 am

i think that like in tennis there should be seasons and put an end date where the best clan of the year is nominated (the one with the best ranking...). could be the 31st of december, or could be around april with the end of the cc?

oh and yeah i like the opticians as a nickname! :lol:

by **IcePack** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:34 am

Keefie,
Most of those "harsh" comments were about CL4 not random league. Benga runs a great league, but I don't have the final info on his event so it hasn't been included.

by **Keefie** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:37 am

It's all available on the website. Does the exact finish date really matter that much ???? As I said add 14 days to the start date and you wont be far wrong.

by **IcePack** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:40 am

Keefie wrote:It's all available on the website. Does the exact finish date really matter that much ???? As I said add 14 days to the start date and you wont be far wrong.

Yes I know it is. Just like it was for CL4. But after that fiasco it was said that organizers need to provide better info (CL4 had scores wrong or not updated even). Final scores and end dates do matter.

Thanks,
IcePack