[ACC] Semi-Final - BoFM v FOED [28-(5)-27pts] - BoFM Win

[Teflon Kris]

Lol at the, nothing wrong here, move along folks comments. Any explanation why he missed when he played a number of speed games during that period? Did it "slip his mind"?

He played speed up to around 2 hours before his turn.

He will not be getting any goat as he should have given up waiting at this point and taken his turn

Next speed game was 20 mins after his turn deadline.

Many possible explanations, he may come and post soon ?

[Royal Panda]

Sounds like a deliberately missed turn - can't really be any arguments based on the speed games he played during the time!! Looks like FOED MAY win regardless so possibly not an issue. Either way, not a C&A report required here LMS - assuming BOTFM will be fair with this game and award to FOED based on the tournament rules previously quoted.

[Royal Panda]

Is foed getting desperate or what? Even if he deliberatly missed the turn there is no rules against it cause there is no advantage missing a turn in a no spoils game, only disadvantage.In theory we can miss as many turns we like in no spoils games while playing speed games.

What prolly happend was burnin waiting for input from teammates, played some speedgames, forgot about Hive game. What´s the big deal? You gained advantage of it.

The advantage gained is obvious. BoFM see they are losing the game (and therefore the round) and want to drag it out to the 25 round mark to force a draw. POOR tactic, and one that hasn't gone unnoticed. For shame.

Also, "getting desperate"? If, as you believe, FOED gained an advantage and are therefore winning this game, why would they be "getting desperate" and complaining?

[danryan]

Is foed getting desperate or what? Even if he deliberatly missed the turn there is no rules against it cause there is no advantage missing a turn in a no spoils game, only disadvantage.In theory we can miss as many turns we like in no spoils games while playing speed games.

What prolly happend was burnin waiting for input from teammates, played some speedgames, forgot about Hive game. What´s the big deal? You gained advantage of it.

Hint, the desperation is on the side resorting to these tactics. And yes, it's easy to forget playing a turn when you hit that next game button.

[L M S]

Deadbeating
Deadbeating will not be considered to be a deliberate act unless evidence is provided to the contrary (e.g. evidence of the player turns being taken in other games when they could have taken place in the game in question). As with deliberate missed turns / 'time outs', the opposing team will be automatically awarded a victory for the game in question if strong evidence is proivided. .

[anonymus]

Deadbeating
Deadbeating will not be considered to be a deliberate act unless evidence is provided to the contrary (e.g. evidence of the player turns being taken in other games when they could have taken place in the game in question). As with deliberate missed turns / 'time outs', the opposing team will be automatically awarded a victory for the game in question if strong evidence is proivided. .

Yes, since everyone in FOED seems to have totally blanked out on CC terminology i'll try to help here..

DEAD-BEATING (noun.) missing 3 consecutive turns = violation of rules of both tournament and site (will result in person being kicked from the game).

missing a turn (no classification since we don't even have a word for it here) not a violation, not an issue

loophole (noun.) quote from websters

Definition
a small mistake in an agreement or law which gives someone the chance to avoid having to do something
tax loopholes
The company employed lawyers to find loopholes in environmental protection laws.

in this case FOED is trying to enforce this so they can avoid having to win the hive-game.. but since there is no rules to back this loophole (non-existant no matter how many FOED post in this thread quoting parts of rules and underlined segments)

funny coincidence on the quick-links of the dictionary was "loopy" witch would suit this accusation i would say, and if you click that you can continue to loony, and i think we all see the direction this is going..

nice try FOED, but you have nothing here and you know it..

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[Royal Panda]

Let's wait for the result of the game before getting at each others' throats and losing this awesome relationship we have between the clans. We will soon see the extent of the advantage gained as well (not that it's material).

I, for one, can see a clear advantage to missing a turn in this game and being able to drop a nice unexpected stack on one of the much weaker players, prolonging his and the team's lives in the game.

It's also clear that this was deliberate... against the rules? Who knows? But, like I said, let's wait for the result before arguing over what could be a simple question of morals if FOED win anyway, rather than a question of who goes through and who doesn't (which is obviously why everyone is getting so worked up over it, understandably so. Any other game and there'd be simple foe-ing/rating and moving on).

[anonymus]

Let's wait for the result of the game before getting at each others' throats and losing this awesome relationship we have between the clans. We will soon see the extent of the advantage gained as well (not that it's material).

I, for one, can see a clear advantage to missing a turn in this game and being able to drop a nice unexpected stack on one of the much weaker players, prolonging his and the team's lives in the game.

It's also clear that this was deliberate... against the rules? Who knows? But, like I said, let's wait for the result before arguing over what could be a simple question of morals if FOED win anyway, rather than a question of who goes through and who doesn't (which is obviously why everyone is getting so worked up over it, understandably so. Any other game and there'd be simple foe-ing/rating and moving on).

agreed, Pander88uk has always been a reasonable fellow.. lets all listen to him
also if foed feels advantage can be gotten through missing turns in the hives-game by all means go ahead and miss as many as you want;)

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[Teflon Kris]

Burnin does have an honest reason but is in a mood so would prefer to wind the opposition up more by not giving it out.

Maybe we should have a poll on why he missed the turn?

Regardless, I cant even see how his miss will have slowed the game down as you guys are several steps closer to winning than you would have been if he had deployed and attacked.

[L M S]

As with deliberate missed turns / 'time outs', the opposing team will be automatically awarded a victory for the game in question if strong evidence is proivided. .

[Teflon Kris]

It's also clear that this was deliberate

That isn't clear, its actually anti-clear folks

[L M S]

so I guess this means that none of the rules matter, cool, save us all the time next go and just don't bother with writing them down.

[danryan]

Congrats to BOFM who will advance to the final. Sorry for the delay in advancing due to losing to FOED in the deciding Hive game.

[Draq]

Congrats to BOFM who will advance to the final. Sorry for the delay in advancing due to losing to FOED in the deciding Hive game.

Thanks Dan! You´re the nicest guy I know!

[anonymus]

Congrats to BOFM who will advance to the final.

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[danryan]

Just wanted to wish both clans good luck.

FOED by 3.

Pretty good guess.

[Teflon Kris]

For any further clarification of rules, simply check the first post. The opportunity to discuss rules was at prior to signing-up. Anyone not liking the rules had the free choice to not enter the tournament.

Don't think anyone objected to the rules, just what was seen as a way of circumventing them. From discussion with you, I (and the clan) are content that no deliberate misdeeds were afoot. We were only content of this after discussion. Burninchaoz' silence only served to heighten suspicions. The way you have responded to the accusations though DJ, as TO AND a TD, has been poor, I have reported a prior post and I see it as a bait.

This is where you guys left off in the main thread, perhaps if you wish to return to Tournament Organiser baiting then this might be the place to fo it.

[chemefreak]

Moved to completed. No medals issued.