Clan League 3:THE FINAL! AOC vs IA [9-10] IA WINS ! Final !

by **Namor** on Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:54 am

Denise wrote:
andy_is_awesome wrote:Does IA have a stance on the "loop hole"?
We don't expect you to agree as a whole, every clan is going to have a mixed camp on the issue.
But there should be a prevailing consensus from your group that you as a clan play by. Right?
...maybe that's where we're wrong.

For the record AoC does not intentionally miss turns. Any sort of tactics would be dealt with internally by us.
We have our code of conduct.

I am also interested in IA's stand on taking advantage of this loop hole. From this post in the CLA, it would appear that the leadership, at least, is against it in theory. I think the right thing for IA to do is to admit that this was the wrong way to play the game, and offer to make it right by redoing the game(s) in question. How refreshing would that be? No C&A report, no locked thread, just clans working out a disagreement like adults. It might even convince a few great players who are on their way out to stay a while.

VampireM wrote:i would just like to add that i think i agree with the majority about nukes, until there is no way to abuse the system we shouldn't use them. Though Dako brings up a good point about just not allowing unlimited reinforcements.. i just dont like the option of abusing the system, i personally dont want to be put in a situlation where i feel i can gain an advantage by intentional not ending my turn..

I kind of like the playoffs of the league, i can see the merit to take it out to have two different competitions but i would of liked to see an expansion in the playoff games.. instead of 18 games maybe 41,

just my two cents

Well spotted Denise.

So that is 100% of IA leadership that thinks this tactic is wrong, they have both expressed this opinion in the CLA. Since the CLA reps are there as the voice of their clan, it is only natural for the rest of us to assume that the whole clan would be against it.

It is understandable, that one or even two of their members forgot what game they were playing at the time and played the tactic without thinking, but they have had three members use it. Since we then offered them the chance to redeem themselves and both leaders (after consulting the players in question), decided to decline our offer and keep the advantage they'd gained, we can only assume that the whole clan have changed their stance on it and now consider it to be fair... Poor show

by **The Voice** on Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:58 pm

Eyestone wrote:AOC considers use of this exploit to be cheating. We are likely to state that we want opponents to sign up to not using it ahead of all future challenges in which we partake. Our participation in future events is likely to be dependent on it. We want to play this game the way it's meant to be played, we hope that most people would see it that way.

That's a very reasonable condition. Yet, it's very sad that this must now be included with the likes of other conditions. Am I wrong in thinking that exploiting this loophole is a rarity among clan games, or does it occur more often than I thought?

Has anyone mentioned the counter that timing out loses a forting opportunity? That may be IA's new perspective. Of course, the counter's counter is that a person in danger of being eliminated need not be making forts anyway and that effectively stealing a card from the opposing team is much more detrimental.

by **TheSpaceCowboy** on Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:15 pm

The game setting is called "spoils" for a reason. . .when you conquer a territory, you collect the bounty from whatever you just pillaged.

Circumvention of this setting by "timing out" is no different than circumventing the setting of fog of war by hacking into an account of an opposing player to see into the fog. Both are methods to get around the design of the chosen game.

When the settings are agreed upon by the teams, the teams should honor the spirit of those settings, even when a loophole exists to manipulate the outcome in your favour. At best it is a crafty scheme, and at worst, it is outright cheating. Either way, it is dishonorable and violates the integrity of the clan world. This is not some random public game against some pack of noobs. When you enter the clan domain, there are rivalries, relationships, community, honor, etc.

I hope that there can be a happy and satisfactory resolve to this. I do not blame anyone for choosing this route initially, but when ethical issues are raised and brought to the attention of everyone, I would expect it to be fixed and resolved. There is no reason to hold onto a dishonorable tactic when it can all be worked out.

by **Mageplunka69** on Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:23 pm

bullshit

by **TheSpaceCowboy** on Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:17 am

rbelgrod wrote:bullshit

ROTFLMAO. Too funny, Rich. You can't make this stuff up.

by **NanoTheGreat** on Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:40 pm

rbelgrod wrote:bullshit

that is perfect!!!

by **Masli** on Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:12 am

I'm back from my vacation, score is updated

by **jpcloet** on Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:15 am

Is it me or will this come down to Game 9291344

by **Eyestone** on Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:22 am

jpcloet wrote:Is it me or will this come down to Game 9291344

It is you

by **Leehar** on Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:26 am

Yeah, I would think Conquerman and Forb City have pretty much decided this for IA

by **Master Fenrir** on Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:23 am

Game 9289587

That makes 10 for IA. It's nice to see you guys win something for once.

by **Denise** on Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:59 am

Congratulations, IA! =D>

by **Masli** on Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:46 am

We have a winnerrrr ding ding ding

Well done IA !!!!

by **lord voldemort** on Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:27 am

Master Fenrir wrote:Game 9289587

That makes 10 for IA. It's nice to see you guys win something for once.

Even if it was questionable

by **Leehar** on Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:23 am

lord voldemort wrote:
Master Fenrir wrote:Game 9289587

That makes 10 for IA. It's nice to see you guys win something for once.

Even if it was questionable

but unfortunately still legal.
Heck, I'm still wondering if Empire's dice isn't unquestionable

by **lord voldemort** on Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:28 am

hehe...thats the only reason why we are winning :roll:

by **chemefreak** on Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:02 am

lord voldemort wrote:
Master Fenrir wrote:Game 9289587

That makes 10 for IA. It's nice to see you guys win something for once.

Even if it was questionable

LV...seriously? The coloration of my name keeps me from saying what I want to here...

Well done IA. Congratulations. Very impressive. AoC is an amazing clan. Just a fantastic finish by both.

=D>

ALL AROUND!!!!

by **lord voldemort** on Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:16 am

perhaps you should speak your mind then. Im always interested in what you have to say.

by **chemefreak** on Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:35 am

lord voldemort wrote:perhaps you should speak your mind then. Im always interested in what you have to say.

I'm sure...most people are.

Congrats again to IA.

by **Georgerx7di** on Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:58 am

Congrats IA, very well played.

by **jetsetwilly** on Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:58 am

IA have been in stealth mode since we requested comments regarding Game 9291365. We applaud the peformance of IA in most of their games and they have now won 10-9 -- a win that would have been reversed by the outcome of this one single game -- so while their thoughts would have been appreciated, their silence speaks volumes.

AOC are happy to have competed in this tournament and it has seen us improve immeasurably as a group whilst enjoying the vast majority of the games. If our opponents have nothing more to add, then we look forward to enjoying the next Clan tournament although we will of course be insisting on a new rule to prevent any games being marred by the use of this particular cheap tactic.

The Agents Of Chaos

by **VampireM** on Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:40 am

after this showing i cant see how AOC isnt going to be considered a top clan.. well done, with a steady performance throughout the entire league... thank you for running this Masli and JP, it was fun..