Score Reset for everybody (at the end of each era)

[treefiddy]

Maybe a point differential? for the last month, 3 months, or 6 months?

Example on the Scoreboard would be something like this:

Code: Select all

#    Username   Score  Last Month  Last 6 Months   Games   Won        Rank        Feedback    Country
431  treefiddy  1950   +373        +950            359     121 (34%)  Lieutenant  24-5        United States


Allow people to sort any section that is purely number driven (scores, games, games won).

Also, if everyone is so worried about inflation, how about just adding a rake like casinos do in poker? Something like a 5% point rake just goes into the void. Points raked are always rounding up so there's a always a minimum of at least 1 point being raked.

Example:

seamusvibe eliminated treefiddy from the game
treefiddy loses 32 points
seamusvibe gains 30 points
ConquerClub rakes 2 points

Or use whatever other wording is desired. Maybe no wording at all, but that would lead to a lot of bug report posts.

[DiM]

a lot of people have answered and a lot of opinions have been stated i will try to include answers to each of them without actually quoting everything to avoid a long post.

1. more multis problem. some people say more multis will come. i'd have to disagree with that. why do people cheat? because they can't compete with others. so a guy that starts now and has 1000 points is more likely to cheat when he sees #1 has 4000 points then he is if he sees everybody starts at the same level.

2. high rankers upset cause they bought premium and they lose their hard work. first of all premium has nothing to do with the reset. you'll have a point reset but you keep the premium. as for the points, trust me getting to 2000+ is really easy, even getting to 3000 is somewhat easy, staying there i the hard part. also in 6 months almost each of the current high rankers can achieve their current rank back so not only that they still are high rankers but also they get back the thrill of climbing ranks they get away from the plateau boredom feeling. in my opinion anybody that says he's not willing to lose his hard earned points doesn't actually deserve those points. if he/she deserves them then it means he's good enough to get them back at any time.

3. no more competition. this one i don't understand, if anything the reset will enhance the competition even more. it will make people better than they are because now they don't just need to get points they also need to get them fast.

4. people that join before a reset will quit when the reset happens. actually no they won't. or at least not the good and important players. i've played many age based games and in most cases i joined in the middle or at the end of an age with absolutely no chance of winning that era because of the advantage the others had but i never left. in fact i was glad when the reset came because i had already learned the basics and had some experience and with the new age the mistakes from the last age were left in the past and i had a new chance.

i think those are all the negative opinions i saw. sorry if i missed others.

on another note regarding the dual scoreboards. yes it would be great to have 2. one for the current age and one for all time. but i think i already mentioned this in first post about the hall of fame thing.

[The1exile]

Every time it is reset they have a better chance of being the best, they get more points and they get a better shot because everyone is were their at...

No. They don't. They have exactly the same chance of being the best. Same number of players, competitors, probably same people getting point gains.

[Fircoal]

meh, all I see more higher ranked people that don't like it. So I'll be the exception to that as my score sucks. I'd rather it not be reset, then you lose a part of a history, of the score you had before. A reset would be interesting, but resets, make you lose what you had. Though the 2 scoreboard idea sounds good.

[AndyDufresne]

1. more multis problem. some people say more multis will come. i'd have to disagree with that. why do people cheat? because they can't compete with others. so a guy that starts now and has 1000 points is more likely to cheat when he sees #1 has 4000 points then he is if he sees everybody starts at the same level.

I don't think this would tip the balance into more or less multiple accounts. And most people create multiple accounts not to cheat for points, but to cheat for extra games.

2. high rankers upset cause they bought premium and they lose their hard work. first of all premium has nothing to do with the reset. you'll have a point reset but you keep the premium. as for the points, trust me getting to 2000+ is really easy, even getting to 3000 is somewhat easy, staying there i the hard part. also in 6 months almost each of the current high rankers can achieve their current rank back so not only that they still are high rankers but also they get back the thrill of climbing ranks they get away from the plateau boredom feeling. in my opinion anybody that says he's not willing to lose his hard earned points doesn't actually deserve those points. if he/she deserves them then it means he's good enough to get them back at any time.

Unfortunately, I think a large number of people would like to keep all their hard earned points, for as long as they keep winning games.

More scoreboards, which will eventually come, sound better than this reset idea.


--Andy

[Strife]

meh, all I see more higher ranked people that don't like it. So I'll be the exception to that as my score sucks. I'd rather it not be reset, then you lose a part of a history, of the score you had before. A reset would be interesting, but resets, make you lose what you had. Though the 2 scoreboard idea sounds good.

I forgot I was a higher rank than you.

And thanks Andy(I think you know what I mean)

[DiM]

meh, all I see more higher ranked people that don't like it. So I'll be the exception to that as my score sucks. I'd rather it not be reset, then you lose a part of a history, of the score you had before. A reset would be interesting, but resets, make you lose what you had. Though the 2 scoreboard idea sounds good.

actually you don't lose anything.

let's say lack decides to implement this. on the 1st of january all scores are reset . and all the scores on december 31st are introduced in the hall of fame and a new era begins. on the 30th of june the era ends and the hall of fame is updated where necessary for those that beat their previous record and awards are given for various categories. and so on and so forth

this way you can check the current era scoreboard or the al time scoreboard where you can see what era each person achieved his highscore or on what kind of scoreboard he placed better (dubs singles triples, etc)


also i just thought of another reason why this would be great.

IMPORTANT REASON

at the moment some people have a high rank because they are specialized on triples or doubles or because they play the same map with the same settings over and over again. they are good at what they do but they are too afraid to try something else because they would lose their points. with this era system a very good triples player can try playing singles escalating on the next era just to see if he can do it or just for fun or just because he was bored with triples.
take skyt for example he has just 48 6p standard games played out of 1325 games. and most of those games are from a long time ago. this would be a perfect way for him to try his hand at those games without the fear of losing his highscore since that will stay in the hall of fame forever.

[DiM]

Unfortunately, I think a large number of people would like to keep all their hard earned points, for as long as they keep winning games.

More scoreboards, which will eventually come, sound better than this reset idea.
--Andy

but they will keep their highscore in the hall of fame. they won't lose it.

[tankster3]

I think it's a good idea but I don't see it happening.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

excellent idea, when i left before i had about 2200 points and was high up. now ive had a bad streak (even if i hadnt) the point inflation has been significant since about 4 months ago and is very off-putting to members who are brand new. also alot of people made 1000 easy points in the olden days by just setting up triples and noobs or ''?'' people joined and never came back hence donating points for no play. that gave the people who joined first huge boosts. i seem to recall blitz being at the top until the new rule that u have to complete 5 games before u can play team games..........

I voted for - LOL !
and I lol'd at this comment too

[hulmey]

i think its a great idea and will only add to keep people interested in CC....IT would a dynamic chnage indeed, maybe Lack could implement this as a side market or another game option?!?!

[I GOT SERVED]

Howzaboot this fer an idea:

Have 2 separate sections. 1 section/scoreboard where people join in a reset, and everybody that doesn't want to reset, stays in a different section/scoreboard. This way people that want to keep their scores can keep them, and people who want to reset can do so.

[jennifermarie]

This is a horrible idea...It means non-prem's have no chance cos of the game limit, and would make people quit...I was once on one of the such games you refer to, I didn't realise it was going to reset, when it did I was really annoyed I lost what I worked hard for and immediatley left...

I once left another site for the same reason. I didn't know they would reset on the first of the month, and I had joined the 27th, and had played it nonstop and gained a lot of points. Then I logged on, on the first of the month and poof! my points were gone Haven't gone back since. I don't want the same thing to happen to others on this site.

[Strife]

How bout a score reset for the conquerer.

[Herakilla]

How bout a score reset for the conquerer.

that would reset every1 who has 1000 points or more!

conquerer is reset, that means nxt person is conquerer who gets reset, etc etc lol!

[Wisse]

2. high rankers upset cause they bought premium and they lose their hard work. first of all premium has nothing to do with the reset. you'll have a point reset but you keep the premium. as for the points, trust me getting to 2000+ is really easy, even getting to 3000 is somewhat easy, staying there i the hard part. also in 6 months almost each of the current high rankers can achieve their current rank back so not only that they still are high rankers but also they get back the thrill of climbing ranks they get away from the plateau boredom feeling. in my opinion anybody that says he's not willing to lose his hard earned points doesn't actually deserve those points. if he/she deserves them then it means he's good enough to get them back at any time.

i disagree, i have 1 player that will terminate your arguments:
mhennigan 3187 134 71 (53%) Colonel (Freemium)
he is not premium and a colonel, thats impressive, you won't see that kind of players then anymore, because it is impossible with 4 games to reach it that quick

[DiM]

2. high rankers upset cause they bought premium and they lose their hard work. first of all premium has nothing to do with the reset. you'll have a point reset but you keep the premium. as for the points, trust me getting to 2000+ is really easy, even getting to 3000 is somewhat easy, staying there i the hard part. also in 6 months almost each of the current high rankers can achieve their current rank back so not only that they still are high rankers but also they get back the thrill of climbing ranks they get away from the plateau boredom feeling. in my opinion anybody that says he's not willing to lose his hard earned points doesn't actually deserve those points. if he/she deserves them then it means he's good enough to get them back at any time.

i disagree, i have 1 player that will terminate your arguments:
mhennigan 3187 134 71 (53%) Colonel (Freemium)
he is not premium and a colonel, thats impressive, you won't see that kind of players then anymore, because it is impossible with 4 games to reach it that quick

1 player will never be a strong argument.
he's 1 in 20 thousand active players. that's like a drop in the ocean.

[Twill]

Wow, just saw this one, sorry for bumping it, but I both love and hate the idea and you know me - I can't keep my mouth shut

Love it:

Point Inflation: This is one of my pet peeves and greatest concerns for the ranking system, soon it will be a psychological barrier to newbies to even try to go for the top because it's so damn high up there that they would have to cheat to do it. Adding a reset would solve the problem every year

Interaction: There are so few players over 2000/2500 points who play open games, it's bad for community spirit. There are some great people up there who just don't get into the regular game "pool" because the risk is too high (cowards!). This would automatically remove the incentive to stay exclusive, at least for a while.

Urgency: You only have x amount of time to get to the top. It's a mad rush baby!

Trophies: There was the trophy suggestion a little while back, this could work into the trophies idea really well.

Hate it:

Unbalanced games: As soon as you reset everyone to 1000 points, nobody has any idea how good anyone else is. You'll get some serious farming and surprises in your first few weeks/months of an era as our high rankers play unsuspecting newbs as new recruits.

Now, someone has suggested (in private, not sure if it's gone public yet) that we make points go up and down but ranks only go up. There are obviously some concerns with this, but it would solve the problem of a point reset stealing your hard earned rank and letting people know that you are good, even if your points dont say so. This could be in addition to/instead of the trophies idea above

Urgency: I think this would add to cheaters, at least a bit because people would want to get higher, faster, on a more consistent basis. That being said though, we'll see them faster at the start of a cycle

Psychology: Like jennifer and others have said - yes, this might give you a chance to "learn the ropes" but the general play style of someone here is to go crazy at the start and ramp down over time. That means if you are in your 200 games a day phase at the start building that point base and a reset comes, it's a huge blow. Sadly I think that would be most new players and they might not come back.

You could of course warn people very explicitly, but that would just slow them down at the beginning and get that high a little smaller and their play life a little shorter.

Whine Whine Whine: We all know this will come, especially if we introduce it when it never existed before. This is a drastic change of policy and people will whine endlessly about it. It's not impossible to overcome but very difficult indeed.


Time Frame:

1 year: gives long time
6 months: gives people more willingness to risk new things and do silly things with friends.

Problems:

2 scoreboards
even if implemented, how long would you save old scores for - right now we save scores for everyone but only display for active.
On the archived board would we continue to save for everyone AND display for everyone or only display for certain people
Archives potentially would make the backend huge and might slow things down a bit because of all the data that would need to be stored/pulled to keep these things meaningful - and it would get exponentially bigger over time as more people joined.

[bob3603]

Howzaboot this fer an idea:

Have 2 separate sections. 1 section/scoreboard where people join in a reset, and everybody that doesn't want to reset, stays in a different section/scoreboard. This way people that want to keep their scores can keep them, and people who want to reset can do so.

I think it would be a better idea to have 2 concurrent scoreboards for everybody. One permanent scoreboard and 1 scoreboard which is reset every so often. Therefore everybody would have 2 scores at the same time. This seems like it would increase the load on the servers and take up a lot of Lack's time which could be used for better things though, so I don't think this is worth the trouble.

[PLAYER57832]

You make a good point regarding the top folks. What if instead of a massive reset, you reset once reaching the top. Instead of a temporary special rank, you would get a PERMANENT trophy/special addition to your rank, BUT after each win you would have to start over. This owuld be similar to leagues like the NFL, etc. where the superbowl winner gets the last draft choices... would "even" things out.

Adding the PERMANENT trophy means they still get their award, AND lets others know that this is an excellent player, regardless of the "current" rank/score.

OR perhaps folks playing these winners should get 1-5 extra points for winning games against them ... at least for a time.

WHY reasons you explained above, but a massive reset would be difficult, not precisely fair to folks who might have only just joined. Thi

[DiM]

Wow, just saw this one, sorry for bumping it, but I both love and hate the idea and you know me - I can't keep my mouth shut

any feedback is good feedback..err...ummm... or was it publicity?
anyway glad to see your thoughts

Love it:

Point Inflation: This is one of my pet peeves and greatest concerns for the ranking system, soon it will be a psychological barrier to newbies to even try to go for the top because it's so damn high up there that they would have to cheat to do it. Adding a reset would solve the problem every year

point inflation would be kaput with this idea

Interaction: There are so few players over 2000/2500 points who play open games, it's bad for community spirit. There are some great people up there who just don't get into the regular game "pool" because the risk is too high (cowards!). This would automatically remove the incentive to stay exclusive, at least for a while.

exactly and no more low rankers complaining they never get to play with blitz or comicboy

Urgency: You only have x amount of time to get to the top. It's a mad rush baby!

mad rush = more fun

Trophies: There was the trophy suggestion a little while back, this could work into the trophies idea really well.

indeed it would work hand in hand.

Hate it:

Unbalanced games: As soon as you reset everyone to 1000 points, nobody has any idea how good anyone else is. You'll get some serious farming and surprises in your first few weeks/months of an era as our high rankers play unsuspecting newbs as new recruits.

Now, someone has suggested (in private, not sure if it's gone public yet) that we make points go up and down but ranks only go up. There are obviously some concerns with this, but it would solve the problem of a point reset stealing your hard earned rank and letting people know that you are good, even if your points dont say so. This could be in addition to/instead of the trophies idea above

actually i already said that a double list would be kept. 1 for the current era and 1 for all time. clicking on a player's profile would show you both his current score and his all time highscore. no confusion there if you see a private was once a colonel you know he's good.

Urgency: I think this would add to cheaters, at least a bit because people would want to get higher, faster, on a more consistent basis. That being said though, we'll see them faster at the start of a cycle

in many era based games most cheaters are caught within 1 week and the rest within 1 month. why do people cheat? to get to the top. if you see a guy with 2000 points after 2 hours from the reset it's clear he's a cheater. right now a cheater can stay safe for several months before he manages to get to 3000+ points and be seen.

Psychology: Like jennifer and others have said - yes, this might give you a chance to "learn the ropes" but the general play style of someone here is to go crazy at the start and ramp down over time. That means if you are in your 200 games a day phase at the start building that point base and a reset comes, it's a huge blow. Sadly I think that would be most new players and they might not come back.

You could of course warn people very explicitly, but that would just slow them down at the beginning and get that high a little smaller and their play life a little shorter.

it's not really a huge blow if people know about the score reset and when it is scheduled. as i said i've played this type of games and i even joined games when there were only days left in the era. i saw this and decided to fool around and learn the game before the reset takes place. i was glad the reset came because i knew what to do.

Whine Whine Whine: We all know this will come, especially if we introduce it when it never existed before. This is a drastic change of policy and people will whine endlessly about it. It's not impossible to overcome but very difficult indeed.

why would people whine? because they lose their points. BUT if we have 2 scoreboards (current and all time) their points aren't lost, so no reason to whine.

Time Frame:

1 year: gives long time
6 months: gives people more willingness to risk new things and do silly things with friends.

yep 6 months is a good time frame.

Problems:

2 scoreboards
even if implemented, how long would you save old scores for - right now we save scores for everyone but only display for active.
On the archived board would we continue to save for everyone AND display for everyone or only display for certain people
Archives potentially would make the backend huge and might slow things down a bit because of all the data that would need to be stored/pulled to keep these things meaningful - and it would get exponentially bigger over time as more people joined.

on the all time scoreboard you will keep only for active players.

let's say the reset comes tomorrow. take the current scoreboard and make it all time. and start a new scoreboard and make it the current era.
plus the all time scoreboard would be updated only at the end of an era so no need to store/pull data from it, so no load on the server.



also i was just thinking if more servers could be introduced we could have various game limits.

like we could have:
1. a normal server (like now) with a 6 month time frame
2. speed server with a 3 months time frame and turn limit of 12 hours.
3. uberfast server (premiums only) with 1 month and only speed games are played.

each server with it's own current scoreboard and all time scoreboard.
and people can join all 3 or just 1 or 2.

[spinwizard]

Meh, I'm still love the idea

[markme]

if inflation is the concern just take 10 percent of everyones pionts once a yr that problem is solved

[DiM]

if inflation is the concern just take 10 percent of everyones pionts once a yr that problem is solved

not solved at all. and the procedure would make things totally unfair.

let's say i join today and have 1000 points. tomorrow lack takes 10% to solve inflation and i'm down to 900. then you join and have 1000. so despite the fact we never played a single game you already have 100 points more than me. i get upset and make another account.

[PLAYER57832]

I like the Hall of Fame idea, but if it is just a "gallery", that folks would have to look up, it would not be so practical -- you would have to compare those ranks to everyone you see. I would like to see something added to the champions' rating symbol -- maybe a gold circle or star around their rank or a small star off to one side, etc. That way whatever rank someone ends up, they would still retain their championship. AND anyone could just look and see that this is a former champion. A lot of lower ranks would avoid these folks, but for good reason, at least on any of the older boards. BUT a lot of other folks would consider taking the former champions on to be a worthy challenge. It would sort itself out soon enough. IF someone got tired of being targeted, they could always ask Lack to remove them ... and then their listing in the gallery would be "anaonymous". "Retired" could be for when someone leaves.

Second, what about a temporary second and third place symbol ?? say, a bronze circle, a silver, etc. for whomever has the second and third at that time, rather than just an award for the very highest listing....