Hire paid Sheriff to oversee Mods.

[porkenbeans]

Them being a player has nothing to do with their decisions. What you're asking is, that people that made choices before the rules, now be punished that the rules are in places. So if a new rule comes out that states players/users cannot complain or ask for new mods in 2 months, should you be banned for this thread? No, because the rule does not exist at this time.

But hey, if we follow you, lets do it fully, not just half assed. Anyone who has ever played a cook should be banned for farming!

You are just being silly. Lack said it best, "The systematic targeting exclusively new recruits is not cool". That is very different from playing in some games with cooks. If you did some research on some of the players at the top. you would see a guy like rabbiton who holds the record for most straight wins. I do not remember the exact number, but it was over 200 I think. Guess what, every one of those players that he defeated were Newbies freestyle. He has made thousands of points like this. Lack said that this kind of activity corrupts the competitiveness of the leaderboard. Myself and other brave souls have been fighting for a fair leaderboard. So make it fair. Just saying that it is a problem does NOT fix it.

-FAIR IS FAIR.

[Kotaro]

You are just being silly. Lack said it best, "The systematic targeting exclusively new recruits is not cool". That is very different from playing in some games with cooks. If you did some research on some of the players at the top. you would see a guy like rabbiton who holds the record for most straight wins. I do not remember the exact number, but it was over 200 I think. Guess what, every one of those players that he defeated were Newbies freestyle. He has made thousands of points like this. Lack said that this kind of activity corrupts the competitiveness of the leaderboard. Myself and other brave souls have been fighting for a fair leaderboard. So make it fair. Just saying that it is a problem does NOT fix it.

-FAIR IS FAIR.

So you're saying, delete all his points, knock him down to 1000, and that's fair? Ye-no.

[porkenbeans]

You are just being silly. Lack said it best, "The systematic targeting exclusively new recruits is not cool". That is very different from playing in some games with cooks. If you did some research on some of the players at the top. you would see a guy like rabbiton who holds the record for most straight wins. I do not remember the exact number, but it was over 200 I think. Guess what, every one of those players that he defeated were Newbies freestyle. He has made thousands of points like this. Lack said that this kind of activity corrupts the competitiveness of the leaderboard. Myself and other brave souls have been fighting for a fair leaderboard. So make it fair. Just saying that it is a problem does NOT fix it.

-FAIR IS FAIR.

So you're saying, delete all his points, knock him down to 1000, and that's fair? Ye-no.

Why dont you go back and read what I said.

[owenshooter]

I find it odd that the person who started this thread is trying to take it off-topic by discussing farming. That doesn't usually happen. But to answer your two questions:

It is unjust to retroactively point reset someone for a rule that just came into place January 1. That is a horrible suggestion that won't be happening (so I wouldn't bother wasting posts about it).

As for the actual topic of this thread, several people are right, the Community Manager oversees Team CC. Currently that manager is Twill (whether you like him or not).

agree 100% with every word of Night Strike's post. period. Like him or Loathe him, Twill is the Sheriff that you are speaking of. i've butted heads with twill on many occasions (especially now), and at the end of the day, i still respect him, and i still support Twill and his Mods. overall, they do a great job, and i find them very accesible and willing to hear opinions counter to theirs. i've seen many changes since i've joined CC, and the majority of them started in Suggs & Bugs, and all have made the site a better place. so, if you have a problem with twill, the solution is simple. just find another site where you can play a casual, online, world domination game against other players on over 100 maps, multiple styles and settings, and has better coffee mugs and t-shirts... the black jesus has thrown in his support for team CC...-0

p.s.-turning every thread you start into a "fix the leaderboard" argument isn't really constructive.
p.p.s.-threw this one in for Night Strike...

[owenshooter]

You are just being silly. Lack said it best, "The systematic targeting exclusively new recruits is not cool". That is very different from playing in some games with cooks. If you did some research on some of the players at the top. you would see a guy like rabbiton who holds the record for most straight wins. I do not remember the exact number, but it was over 200 I think. Guess what, every one of those players that he defeated were Newbies freestyle. He has made thousands of points like this. Lack said that this kind of activity corrupts the competitiveness of the leaderboard. Myself and other brave souls have been fighting for a fair leaderboard. So make it fair. Just saying that it is a problem does NOT fix it.

-FAIR IS FAIR.

what does this have to do with hiring a paid sheriff to oversee the mods? hmmmm...-0

[porkenbeans]

I find it odd that the person who started this thread is trying to take it off-topic by discussing farming. That doesn't usually happen. But to answer your two questions:

It is unjust to retroactively point reset someone for a rule that just came into place January 1. That is a horrible suggestion that won't be happening (so I wouldn't bother wasting posts about it).

As for the actual topic of this thread, several people are right, the Community Manager oversees Team CC. Currently that manager is Twill (whether you like him or not).

agree 100% with every word of Night Strike's post. period. Like him or Loathe him, Twill is the Sheriff that you are speaking of. i've butted heads with twill on many occasions (especially now), and at the end of the day, i still respect him, and i still support Twill and his Mods. overall, they do a great job, and i find them very accesible and willing to hear opinions counter to theirs. i've seen many changes since i've joined CC, and the majority of them started in Suggs & Bugs, and all have made the site a better place. so, if you have a problem with twill, the solution is simple. just find another site where you can play a casual, online, world domination game against other players on over 100 maps, multiple styles and settings, and has better coffee mugs and t-shirts... the black jesus has thrown in his support for team CC...-0

p.s.-turning every thread you start into a "fix the leaderboard" argument isn't really constructive.
p.p.s.-threw this one in for Night Strike...

My support is also for team CC. This is the exact kind of us against them mentality that I was talking about.

[owenshooter]

My support is also for team CC. This is the exact kind of us against them mentality that I was talking about.

no, you were talking about resetting the leaderboard and farmers... again... you kind of got off track... again...-0

[Night Strike]

agree 100% with every word of Night Strike's post. period.

*Rereads the post twice in bewilderment.*

p.p.s.-threw this one in for Night Strike...

You would.

The mods have circled the wagons, and gone into "us against them" mode. There last manifesto only accomplished to confuse the forum rules more. Annoying is very ambiguous. It may be used in an arbitrary manner. Especially in this "us against them" atmosphere.

The locking of threads for no justifiable cause, is the kind of thing that I am talking about.

I don't get what you're saying here. Everyone on Team CC participates to help the community in some fashion. The only cases of "us against them" would be "us against the loud minority of trolls". Every day there are moderators helping train cooks, developing maps, running tournaments, answering questions, greeting chatters, and organizing the forum. Believe it or not, we are part of the Team because we want to help the site; we aren't out to purposefully harm it.

King herps' sig. says "come get raped". And when I call him a "Newbie Raper", I get called out by a Mod and told that I can not say that. Then they lock my thread and some others" threads.

Geez, you're making a huge deal out of something trivial. Your thread got locked and you received a friendly warning. If you read the Community Guidelines, you would notice that those two actions are very low on the severity continuum and are meant to just make sure everything stays kosher.

It seems that they are siding with the N.F.s'. in complete contrast with Lacks proclamation. It is as if there solution to the problem is to simply admit that there is a problem with the leaderboard. Well it took us long enough to get them to admit that. But that is only the beginning. You cant simply stop there and claim "problem fixed".

You must now adjust the leaderboard accordingly. some at the top have inflated their scores so much that it is just not fair for the rest of the CC members that are not "Harvesters".
Personally, I do not think that they should be busted down to cook, But, 2 or 3 ranks would be an acceptable compromise. If they are that good, it would take them no time to regain their place at the top. If they are not, They will just have to settle for their true ranking.

Porkenbeans, did you actually read the announcement from lack??? There is a VERY clear statement in the announcement that you really should read and understand:

Members who continue this practice will receive point resets and then progressively longer website bans.

PLEASE take note of the word continue. This means that if people keep farming new recruits, THEN they will receive disciplinary measures. They will not receive point resets for farming that took place prior to this announcement.

Now, if you would like to continue discussing your incorrect interpretation of the farming rule, please do so in the appropriate announcement thread. I believe you started this thread to discuss hiring an impartial overseer.

[owenshooter]

Now, if you would like to continue discussing your incorrect interpretation of the farming rule, please do so in the appropriate announcement thread. I believe you started this thread to discuss hiring an impartial overseer.

if we are talking about a raise for twill, as he is the Sheriff of this town, i'll chip in to get him a new CC shirt...-0

[JustCallMeStupid]

I dont see the need for an impartial sheriff for the mods. Although, I have never had an issue with any of them. Who cares if the leaders want to farm the noobs, I enjoy playing with the quality players in the top echelon even K Herpes joined a recent elite 4 v 4 game with me and we lost.

-js-

[FarangDemon]

We need some impartiality.

Lancehoch locked my recent accusation thread within a day or two without even checking the game log of an obviously thrown game. I'm guessing it was because I am a proponent of changing the scoring system and have drawn many flames and trolls out from under their bridges of the CC woodwork. He wanted this one buried before anyone else got a chance to see it.

Many post off-topic attacks full of profanity and are not given the slightest reprimand. Where do they get the right, when 2/3 of those polled want a system where you cannot get to the top solely by playing the low ranked? But he has the nerve to reprimand me for making baseless accusations, which are nonetheless backed up by reasoning and evidence, when he is the hunter and he didn't even look at the game log before quashing the accusation.

After I made it clear to the whole CC community that it was obviously a thrown game with my Game Log Literacy Test thread, he deleted that poll and reopened the thread for less than 1 day in order to change his story about why Herpes is allowed to benefit from the thrown game - because the guy that could have easily won has decided to indefinitely postpone his victory out of respect for the fact that Herpes is Conqueror. By not even issuing a reprimand, that sends a clear signal that anyone is free to throw games with impunity. Fake games like these are not in the spirit of the game.

So this is the guy who gets to interpret Lack's message and lay down the law? The buck stops there? Yeah we need a sheriff.

[Kotaro]

We need some impartiality.

Lancehoch locked my recent accusation thread within a day or two without even checking the game log of an obviously thrown game. I'm guessing it was because I am a proponent of changing the scoring system and have drawn many flames and trolls out from under their bridges of the CC woodwork.

Yeah. I'm sure that was it.

[Artimis]

Lancehoch locked my recent accusation thread within a day or two without even checking the game log of an obviously thrown game. I'm guessing it was because I am a proponent of changing the scoring system and have drawn many flames and trolls out from under their bridges of the CC woodwork. He wanted this one buried before anyone else got a chance to see it.

I assume you're referring to this post HERE, Lancehoch did review the game chat and found nothing suspicious going on. Flabio can win at any time of his choosing, IT IS NOT A THROWN GAME UNLESS FLABIO LOSES ON PURPOSE, that he prefers to build and stack is his/her choice. Flabio has more troops, is gaining more troops per round and has more land, Flabio will win at a time of his/her choosing, stop banging on about it.

*Back on topic*

The mods are impartial enough, they have the experience and knowledge of playing in this site to work effectively and efficiently. Just because they don't always rule in your favour does not mean they are doing a bad job. There is no point in squandering premium customers fees on an outsider that will have to learn the inner workings game and the forum in order to make the right decisions.

I think it's important to note that the right decisions aren't always good decisions, it is too easy to set a harmful precedent so they understandably take it slowly when making their minds up.

[Jeff Hardy]

farmers shouldnt even be meantioned in this thread let alone be in every other post

[JuliusCaesar]

sounds like a horrible idea to me. but I'm just here for fun, and not for politics. and like already stated, someone that doesn't play can't fully understand the ins and out of the games.

[porkenbeans]

agree 100% with every word of Night Strike's post. period.

*Rereads the post twice in bewilderment.*

p.p.s.-threw this one in for Night Strike...

You would.

The mods have circled the wagons, and gone into "us against them" mode. There last manifesto only accomplished to confuse the forum rules more. Annoying is very ambiguous. It may be used in an arbitrary manner. Especially in this "us against them" atmosphere.

The locking of threads for no justifiable cause, is the kind of thing that I am talking about.

I don't get what you're saying here. Everyone on Team CC participates to help the community in some fashion. The only cases of "us against them" would be "us against the loud minority of trolls". Every day there are moderators helping train cooks, developing maps, running tournaments, answering questions, greeting chatters, and organizing the forum. Believe it or not, we are part of the Team because we want to help the site; we aren't out to purposefully harm it.

King herps' sig. says "come get raped". And when I call him a "Newbie Raper", I get called out by a Mod and told that I can not say that. Then they lock my thread and some others" threads.

Geez, you're making a huge deal out of something trivial. Your thread got locked and you received a friendly warning. If you read the Community Guidelines, you would notice that those two actions are very low on the severity continuum and are meant to just make sure everything stays kosher.

It seems that they are siding with the N.F.s'. in complete contrast with Lacks proclamation. It is as if there solution to the problem is to simply admit that there is a problem with the leaderboard. Well it took us long enough to get them to admit that. But that is only the beginning. You cant simply stop there and claim "problem fixed".

You must now adjust the leaderboard accordingly. some at the top have inflated their scores so much that it is just not fair for the rest of the CC members that are not "Harvesters".
Personally, I do not think that they should be busted down to cook, But, 2 or 3 ranks would be an acceptable compromise. If they are that good, it would take them no time to regain their place at the top. If they are not, They will just have to settle for their true ranking.

Porkenbeans, did you actually read the announcement from lack??? There is a VERY clear statement in the announcement that you really should read and understand:

Members who continue this practice will receive point resets and then progressively longer website bans.

PLEASE take note of the word continue. This means that if people keep farming new recruits, THEN they will receive disciplinary measures. They will not receive point resets for farming that took place prior to this announcement.

Now, if you would like to continue discussing your incorrect interpretation of the farming rule, please do so in the appropriate announcement thread. I believe you started this thread to discuss hiring an impartial overseer.

Yes that is indeed what this thread is for, If I am to be allowed to present my case, I can surely state why I think this is needed. If the subject of farming has something to do with my reasons, then I will talk about it all I want. Your attitude is evidence to everyone that they should check the YES box. You are always doing this sort of thing. Have you ever heard of "Hall monitor syndrome" ? Seriously, How in the hell do you presume to tell me what the topic of my own thread is. You obviously do not like what I have to say, so you try to invoke the "off topic' line.
THIS IS THE UNPROFESSIONAL, AND BIASED ATTITUDE THAT I AM TRYING TO BRING TO LIGHT.
Also, please do NOT try to put words in my mouth. I never said that you were out to purposefully harm CC. I think that It is YOU, that should go back and read more carefully.
Also you glossed over my complaint about Herp and the Newbie raper complaint. How dare you slough it off as trivial. Can you please address the complaint in a respectful manner ?
I will spell it out for you again. Why is the herp allowed to say in his sig., "COME GET RAPED" ? But, I am not allowed to call him a Newbie raper. If you are not biased, then you should have no trouble answering my quarry with a little respect.

[Night Strike]

I have nothing on your situation with Herpes. lance gave that warning, and I am not the mod to go to for an appeal. Talk to Twill if you have an issue with a mod.

My guess that you're trying to turn this thread into ANOTHER one about farming is that you aren't happy about the decisions that were made. If you want to talk about farming (which is clearly something to do with the game part of this site), how would hiring an outside person help the situation??

[hwhrhett]

this is weird, ive never seen or heard of a mod doing anything horribly innappropriate to anyone that didnt deserve it.... seems to me like your probably flaming outside of flame words, calling people names like rapists.....

and i do find it very ironic that you want the mods to look past your rule breach(flaming outside of flame wars), but are very much complaining that they are looking the other way for something completely unrelated to you.

the proclamation made by lack just happened, it will take time for the farming to be extinguished, but if you just want to talk smack, just make posts in flame wars.

if you follow all the rules youll have a much better time here, i promise you.


EDIT: perhaps you should make an abuse report about king herpes' avatar using the word rape in it, if it bothers you that much. or fill out an e-ticket about it.

[Kotaro]

My guess that you're trying to turn this thread into ANOTHER one about farming is that you aren't happy about the decisions that were made. If you want to talk about farming (which is clearly something to do with the game part of this site), how would hiring an outside person help the situation??

He's hoping the new guy would come in, declare all farmers to be pure evil, and perma ban them all, instantly.

[The Fuzzy Pengui]

Seriously, How in the hell do you presume to tell me what the topic of my own thread is. You obviously do not like what I have to say, so you try to invoke the "off topic' line.
THIS IS THE UNPROFESSIONAL, AND BIASED ATTITUDE THAT I AM TRYING TO BRING TO LIGHT.

Umm...doesn't the title of the thread, and the first post say it all?

I mean, the first post is all about hiring a sheriff, but then you talk about farming multiple times and never say how a sheriff would help the farming situation. Maybe if you presented how a sheriff would help against farming (which is now non-existant from what I've seen although there is probably somebody somewhere farming) instead of randomly saying that previous farmers need a reset (which won't happen) and not mentioning a sheriff in your post I would be able to understand how a sheriff would help this historic problem.

As for mods being players and biased, mods have been and are supposed to remain "players first, and mods second". That's why there are admins...to be the official decision makers of the site...we just help them out some.

Next, how is it unprofessional and unbiased when somebody mentions you are off-topic of the original thread? If it was somebody other than a mod, would you tell them they were unprofessional and biased? Probably not..you'd just report the post (or call them out) for trying to take the thread off topic and call for a mod to help out. Remember, like I just said, mods are players first and mods second, therefore our posts should normally be seen the same way...as a player on the site just posting their opinion (such is this post...this is my opinion AS A PLAYER).

Finally, Twill > A Sheriff. Therefore a sheriff would hurt CC more than help it

[porkenbeans]

I have nothing on your situation with Herpes. lance gave that warning, and I am not the mod to go to for an appeal. Talk to Twill if you have an issue with a mod.

My guess that you're trying to turn this thread into ANOTHER one about farming is that you aren't happy about the decisions that were made. If you want to talk about farming (which is clearly something to do with the game part of this site), how would hiring an outside person help the situation??

I believe that the mods are siding with the N.Fs'. in that they just want to sweep everything under the rug.

[owenshooter]

I believe that the mods are siding with the N.Fs'. in that they just want to sweep everything under the rug.

i believe they are following what lack's decision was, and i believe you are derailing your own thread to such a degree that it will soon be locked. and then there will be another thread about how this thread was "swept under the carpet" to keep CC from knowing the truth... hey, agent mulder, less than 2% of all CC users visit the forums, they are not hiding anything from anyone. so, once again, i think a PAID SHERIFF is a horrible idea, since twill already does a lights out job for the site... the black jesus has spoken and attmepted to get this thread back on topic...-0

[jbrettlip]

A paid sheriff already exists...it is Twill. However, I think there should be an independant review board of users that grievences can be appealed to. These would not be mods, but people that are active in the forums and therefore knowledgeable of the goings on here at CC.

[porkenbeans]

Seriously, How in the hell do you presume to tell me what the topic of my own thread is. You obviously do not like what I have to say, so you try to invoke the "off topic' line.
THIS IS THE UNPROFESSIONAL, AND BIASED ATTITUDE THAT I AM TRYING TO BRING TO LIGHT.

Umm...doesn't the title of the thread, and the first post say it all?

I mean, the first post is all about hiring a sheriff, but then you talk about farming multiple times and never say how a sheriff would help the farming situation. Maybe if you presented how a sheriff would help against farming (which is now non-existant from what I've seen although there is probably somebody somewhere farming) instead of randomly saying that previous farmers need a reset (which won't happen) and not mentioning a sheriff in your post I would be able to understand how a sheriff would help this historic problem.

As for mods being players and biased, mods have been and are supposed to remain "players first, and mods second". That's why there are admins...to be the official decision makers of the site...we just help them out some.

Next, how is it unprofessional and unbiased when somebody mentions you are off-topic of the original thread? If it was somebody other than a mod, would you tell them they were unprofessional and biased? Probably not..you'd just report the post (or call them out) for trying to take the thread off topic and call for a mod to help out. Remember, like I just said, mods are players first and mods second, therefore our posts should normally be seen the same way...as a player on the site just posting their opinion (such is this post...this is my opinion AS A PLAYER).

Finally, Twill > A Sheriff. Therefore a sheriff would hurt CC more than help it

Thanx fuzzy, I do not know the pecking order of the Mods and Admins. But don't you think that a mod is getting a little biased and out of control, when a player is allowed to call himself a raper on his sig. and then turns around and censers me for calling him a Newbie raper ? Come on !
If this is not a clear case of bias, please explain to everyone what you call it.

[porkenbeans]

I believe that the mods are siding with the N.Fs'. in that they just want to sweep everything under the rug.

i believe they are following what lack's decision was, and i believe you are derailing your own thread to such a degree that it will soon be locked. and then there will be another thread about how this thread was "swept under the carpet" to keep CC from knowing the truth... hey, agent mulder, less than 2% of all CC users visit the forums, they are not hiding anything from anyone. so, once again, i think a PAID SHERIFF is a horrible idea, since twill already does a lights out job for the site... the black jesus has spoken and attmepted to get this thread back on topic...-0

I just assumed that the town was without a Sheriff. The lawless ruffians are running wild. Twill is the one in charge ? Thank you for telling me. Maybe we do not need a new sheriff. -We just need to appeal to the one that we have.