Hire paid Sheriff to oversee Mods.

[Kotaro]

I believe that the mods are siding with the N.Fs'. in that they just want to sweep everything under the rug.

No, they're not. They're siding with the fact that these rules are new, and not punishing people that didn't have the rules when they committed the act. It's called "Justice". Years ago, it was legal to drink at 18 in America. Should everyone who drank when they were 18 at the time, be arrested and jailed for underage drinking, now that the limit has risen? No.

Nothing's wrong with Twill. You don't like him because you're so self-centered, and want everything your way. Not going to happen.

[porkenbeans]

A paid sheriff already exists...it is Twill. However, I think there should be an independant review board of users that grievences can be appealed to. These would not be mods, but people that are active in the forums and therefore knowledgeable of the goings on here at CC.

Sounds interesting, How would it work ?

[owenshooter]

A paid sheriff already exists...it is Twill. However, I think there should be an independant review board of users that grievences can be appealed to. These would not be mods, but people that are active in the forums and therefore knowledgeable of the goings on here at CC.

Sounds interesting, How would it work ?

you can read all about it in the Grievance Moderation Team Thread that has been up in Suggestions for quite some time. there is some traction from a few mods on it, figuring out how it would all work. but the thought is out there.
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=70663

however, this would not solve your constant crusade against the former farmers as lack has already ruled on that... the black jesus has spoken...-0

[porkenbeans]

I believe that the mods are siding with the N.Fs'. in that they just want to sweep everything under the rug.

No, they're not. They're siding with the fact that these rules are new, and not punishing people that didn't have the rules when they committed the act. It's called "Justice". Years ago, it was legal to drink at 18 in America. Should everyone who drank when they were 18 at the time, be arrested and jailed for underage drinking, now that the limit has risen? No.

Nothing's wrong with Twill. You don't like him because you're so self-centered, and want everything your way. Not going to happen.

Does this mean that if they bought a truck load of booze before the law was affected, that they still get to possess it ? I think that you are worrying more about the farmers than the rest of us. You are hurting us by NOT hurting the N.F.s'.
Lack decided what is not cool. Is it cool for them to keep their ill gotten spoils ? Is it cool that the leaderboard is topped with the not-cool farmers, at our expense ?
I think that "fairness" should fall on the side of the righteous, not the side of the N.F.s'. If they think a fine of some points is not fair, I disagree. What is NOT fair, is letting them keep their plunder.
All we want, is a place to fairly compete with each other. The leaderboard is corrupted. This is not fair to the majority. I am all for a slap on the wrist if that is the decision, but just telling them not to do it again without a loss of a rank or two is really insulting to the majority.

-FAIR IS FAIR.

[Kotaro]

Does this mean that if they bought a truck load of booze before the law was affected, that they still get to possess it ? I think that you are worrying more about the farmers than the rest of us. You are hurting us by NOT hurting the N.F.s'.
Lack decided what is not cool. Is it cool for them to keep their ill gotten spoils ? Is it cool that the leaderboard is topped with the not-cool farmers, at our expense ?
I think that "fairness" should fall on the side of the righteous, not the side of the N.F.s'. If they think a fine of some points is not fair, I disagree. What is NOT fair, is letting them keep their plunder.
All we want, is a place to fairly compete with each other. The leaderboard is corrupted. This is not fair to the majority. I am all for a slap on the wrist if that is the decision, but just telling them not to do it again without a loss of a rank or two is really insulting to the majority.

-FAIR IS FAIR.

Either they keep it, yes, or they are given an equal payment. This isn't a situation where you can just take whatever the hell you want. And not every game played by a "NF" is a "NF"ing game. Would you like to personally go through and determine what their points would be if they were to be set realistically?

You're a fool if you think they're going to be reset.

"Oh no the leaderboard on an internet gaming site is so corrupted"

Stop being intentionally annoying. Go get off the computer and find something else to do, and quit whining.

[owenshooter]

Does this mean that if they bought a truck load of booze before the law was affected, that they still get to possess it ? I think that you are worrying more about the farmers than the rest of us. You are hurting us by NOT hurting the N.F.s'.

um, of course they would keep the booze, it was purchased legally. lots of guys getting out of the armed services in america under the age of 21, buy truckloads of booze before they get out, because they can't buy booze in the real world!! and as kotaro said, if not, they would receive equal payment for it. and as far as your rambling about the farmers again, what does this have to do with hiring a Sheriff? can someone lock this thread or merge it already? this is just another rant about farmers and porky not being satisfied with lacks resolution of the problem. it is not about hiring a sheriff to oversee the mods... the black jesus has spoken...-0

p.s.-it has been illegal to smoke in bars/restaurants in austin for almost a decade now. when the law was passed, the city of austin did not mail out tickets to people that had smoked in bars/restaurants for acts that were now against the law. and when the speed limit decreased on the street in front of my house, i didn't get tickets for 5 years of speeding. way to use an example that proves your point WRONG...

[porkenbeans]

Does this mean that if they bought a truck load of booze before the law was affected, that they still get to possess it ? I think that you are worrying more about the farmers than the rest of us. You are hurting us by NOT hurting the N.F.s'.

um, of course they would keep the booze, it was purchased legally. lots of guys getting out of the armed services in america under the age of 21, buy truckloads of booze before they get out, because they can't buy booze in the real world!! and as kotaro said, if not, they would receive equal payment for it. and as far as your rambling about the farmers again, what does this have to do with hiring a Sheriff? can someone lock this thread or merge it already? this is just another rant about farmers and porky not being satisfied with lacks resolution of the problem. it is not about hiring a sheriff to oversee the mods... the black jesus has spoken...-0

p.s.-it has been illegal to smoke in bars/restaurants in austin for almost a decade now. when the law was passed, the city of austin did not mail out tickets to people that had smoked in bars/restaurants for acts that were now against the law. and when the speed limit decreased on the street in front of my house, i didn't get tickets for 5 years of speeding. way to use an example that proves your point WRONG...

What do you think I am, An idiot ? I understand retroactive laws are not usually proper. The new rules or guidelines are a victory for our side. Now it is time to fix the corrupted leaderboard as it does not the reflect the best players at the top. We want it fixed in this respect.

-FAIR IS FAIR.

This thread has already answered my questions about the Sheriff, so lock it or move it as you see fit. -But I would appreciate an answer to my query, Fuzzy.

[lancehoch]

So, when the wall at Yankee Stadium was move in by over 50 feet, were all the fly outs on record changed to home runs? No.

[spiesr]

I will spell it out for you again. Why is the herp allowed to say in his sig., "COME GET RAPED" ? But, I am not allowed to call him a Newbie raper. If you are not biased, then you should have no trouble answering my quarry with a little respect.

He sig is not flaming anybody. You calling him a rapist is.
It doesn't matter whether or not his sig says he is one, it is still flaming...

[porkenbeans]

I will spell it out for you again. Why is the herp allowed to say in his sig., "COME GET RAPED" ? But, I am not allowed to call him a Newbie raper. If you are not biased, then you should have no trouble answering my quarry with a little respect.

He sig is not flaming anybody. You calling him a rapist is.
It doesn't matter whether or not his sig says he is one, it is still flaming...

WTF are you talking about ?

[porkenbeans]

So, when the wall at Yankee Stadium was move in by over 50 feet, were all the fly outs on record changed to home runs? No.

You just don't get it, do ya ?
Lack stated very clearly the reasons for the "not cool" guidelines. He talked about how the leaderboard has been adversely affected by the "Harvesters". This damage that has been done to the integrity of the L.B. can NOT be fixed by, simply saying that it is not cool. Some way, some how, A way must be found to restore the L.B. back to what Lack said it should be about. I believe the word he used was, "SKILL".

[Kotaro]

You know, maybe the mods are actually planning on cleaning it up. Must suck though, because they can't when you post thread after thread about it, causing them to have to come through and answer your questions, as well as deal with the flames.

Funny how that works.

[porkenbeans]

You know, maybe the mods are actually planning on cleaning it up. Must suck though, because they can't when you post thread after thread about it, causing them to have to come through and answer your questions, as well as deal with the flames.

Funny how that works.

Maybe you can understand my point then. A professional that is trained in customer service is needed. The job is not an easy one. You have to wear a smile even when you would rather wring someones neck. The job is fraught with all sorts of stress. Believe it or not, It takes skill and patience to do this job properly, and is a much needed addition. Or maybe we can pitch in to send Twill to a Customer Service Seminar.

[Kotaro]

Maybe you can understand my point then. A professional that is trained in customer service is needed. The job is not an easy one. You have to wear a smile even when you would rather wring someones neck. The job is fraught with all sorts of stress. Believe it or not, It takes skill and patience to do this job properly, and is a much needed addition. Or maybe we can pitch in to send Twill to a Customer Service Seminar.

I'm sorry, quick remind me, how much did you pay for use of this forum? What's that, Zero dollars you say? You mean this is a FREE forum? And Twill is the Administrator, not the Customer Service Representative?

You seem to be operating under the false idea that you, or anyone else on this forum, deserves customer service of any kind. This is their forums, that they're letting us use, for free. They don't have to do jack-squat for us, let alone wear a smile.

[porkenbeans]

Maybe you can understand my point then. A professional that is trained in customer service is needed. The job is not an easy one. You have to wear a smile even when you would rather wring someones neck. The job is fraught with all sorts of stress. Believe it or not, It takes skill and patience to do this job properly, and is a much needed addition. Or maybe we can pitch in to send Twill to a Customer Service Seminar.

I'm sorry, quick remind me, how much did you pay for use of this forum? What's that, Zero dollars you say? You mean this is a FREE forum? And Twill is the Administrator, not the Customer Service Representative?

You seem to be operating under the false idea that you, or anyone else on this forum, deserves customer service of any kind. This is their forums, that they're letting us use, for free. They don't have to do jack-squat for us, let alone wear a smile.

That is a hell of a way to run a business. Oh, and premium membership is NOT "free".

[Kotaro]

Last I checked, Premium Membership had nothing to do with the boards. Unless all these Freemiums running around are all hackers.

[lancehoch]

So, when the wall at Yankee Stadium was move in by over 50 feet, were all the fly outs on record changed to home runs? No.

You just don't get it, do ya ?
Lack stated very clearly the reasons for the "not cool" guidelines. He talked about how the leaderboard has been adversely affected by the "Harvesters". This damage that has been done to the integrity of the L.B. can NOT be fixed by, simply saying that it is not cool. Some way, some how, A way must be found to restore the L.B. back to what Lack said it should be about. I believe the word he used was, "SKILL".

I am sorry that you apparently cannot understand what I am saying. I will try to simplify it for you. This will not happen. Period. Twill is the Community Manager, he is the head of the moderators and people answer to him. He answers to lackattack. lackattack has not said in any way, shape, or form that Twill is doing a bad job and lackattack is the person who has final say in every action on this site.

Getting sidetracked a little to the farming topic. Giving everyone a reset will not happen. Period. End of discussion. They were not breaking the rules when they played their games. My reference to Yankee Stadium was supposed to point this out to you. Yes, the scoreboard may have a few people near the top who have previously farmed, but one of two things will happen: 1) they will prove that they are good enough to maintain a high score and will stay at the top, or 2) they will lose and will drop from the top of the scoreboard. This rule was implemented less than two weeks ago, you have to give these things time to even themselves out. This will not even itself out overnight. Also, giving all of these people a score reset will not do what you intend. These people, who actually do have skill and should be around 3000 points (for arguments sake) will have only 1000 points. Does this represent their true skill? No. So, you are not fixing the scoreboard, you are just changing the problem.

[blakebowling]

I will spell it out for you again. Why is the herp allowed to say in his sig., "COME GET RAPED" ? But, I am not allowed to call him a Newbie raper. If you are not biased, then you should have no trouble answering my quarry with a little respect.

He sig is not flaming anybody. You calling him a rapist is.
It doesn't matter whether or not his sig says he is one, it is still flaming...

WTF are you talking about ?

You shouldn't be allowed to call him a Newbie raper because it never says who he rapes (mostly everyone), Now, if you had just called him a rapist (not raper) then that should be fine.

[saraith]

Last I checked, Premium Membership had nothing to do with the boards. Unless all these Freemiums running around are all hackers.

Damn... Cat's out of the bag now.

In any case, I happen to agree with Kotaro here.

[spiesr]

Here is the deal. The people who farmed before the new "policy" should not be punished for it in any way. Because they got their points using a strategy that was perfectly within the rules at the time. If they now take actions that go against the new "policy" then appropriate actions should be taken at that time.

Also, if you hate the way the game is/was allowed to be played around here why do you stick around? There are couple of other world domination sites out there...

[porkenbeans]

So, when the wall at Yankee Stadium was move in by over 50 feet, were all the fly outs on record changed to home runs? No.

You just don't get it, do ya ?
Lack stated very clearly the reasons for the "not cool" guidelines. He talked about how the leaderboard has been adversely affected by the "Harvesters". This damage that has been done to the integrity of the L.B. can NOT be fixed by, simply saying that it is not cool. Some way, some how, A way must be found to restore the L.B. back to what Lack said it should be about. I believe the word he used was, "SKILL".

I am sorry that you apparently cannot understand what I am saying. I will try to simplify it for you. This will not happen. Period. Twill is the Community Manager, he is the head of the moderators and people answer to him. He answers to lackattack. lackattack has not said in any way, shape, or form that Twill is doing a bad job and lackattack is the person who has final say in every action on this site.

Getting sidetracked a little to the farming topic. Giving everyone a reset will not happen. Period. End of discussion. They were not breaking the rules when they played their games. My reference to Yankee Stadium was supposed to point this out to you. Yes, the scoreboard may have a few people near the top who have previously farmed, but one of two things will happen: 1) they will prove that they are good enough to maintain a high score and will stay at the top, or 2) they will lose and will drop from the top of the scoreboard. This rule was implemented less than two weeks ago, you have to give these things time to even themselves out. This will not even itself out overnight. Also, giving all of these people a score reset will not do what you intend. These people, who actually do have skill and should be around 3000 points (for arguments sake) will have only 1000 points. Does this represent their true skill? No. So, you are not fixing the scoreboard, you are just changing the problem.

You did not read my suggestion apparently. I suggested a fine in he way of a point reduction. NOT a reset.
Also, Your theory is flawed if they only play each other, and avoid their peers that DO have superior skill. There are I am sure, other ways that the leaderboard can be repaired. Just like a capt. cant get a Star until he completes a certain amount of games, no matter how many points he has, You can set a similar requirement, that you must maintain a certain Relative Rank. Just a thought, I am sure that if you looked at it with an open mind, you could find some way to bring the integrity back to the Leaderboard.
Why must you continue to take it personally, when players like me speak up for this just cause ? We only want what is fair. Nothing more.

-FAIR IS FAIR.

[blakebowling]

-FAIR IS FAIR.

This is the internet, a place that's never even heard of fairness.

[owenshooter]

There are I am sure, other ways that the leaderboard can be repaired. Just like a capt. cant get a Star until he completes a certain amount of games, no matter how many points he has, You can set a similar requirement, that you must maintain a certain Relative Rank. Just a thought, I am sure that if you looked at it with an open mind, you could find some way to bring the integrity back to the Leaderboard.
Why must you continue to take it personally, when players like me speak up for this just cause ? We only want what is fair. Nothing more.

-FAIR IS FAIR.

again... what does any of this have to do with hiring a paid sheriff? 2 words, one thought. BROKEN RECORD...-0

[porkenbeans]

There are I am sure, other ways that the leaderboard can be repaired. Just like a capt. cant get a Star until he completes a certain amount of games, no matter how many points he has, You can set a similar requirement, that you must maintain a certain Relative Rank. Just a thought, I am sure that if you looked at it with an open mind, you could find some way to bring the integrity back to the Leaderboard.
Why must you continue to take it personally, when players like me speak up for this just cause ? We only want what is fair. Nothing more.

-FAIR IS FAIR.

again... what does any of this have to do with hiring a paid sheriff? 2 words, one thought. BROKEN RECORD...-0

Black Jesus, Pull your head out, and just follow the conversation if you can.

THE PORK HAS SPOKEN.

[spiesr]

You are just explaining what you believe to be problems of the site. You are not explaining why having a paid sheriff to oversee the mods would better handle those problems any better than than the current system. In fact, a paid sheriff to oversee the mods would not have to power to change site policy on newbie farming and similar "issues".