Yes, another dice thread [Merged]

[xelabale]

.....its thats defender dice seem to be unfair to everyone. As you can tell from my record, I've developed some good strategies to take advantage of this, but it still is sapping some of the enjoyment of the game for me.

I don't understand this. Firstly, "unfair to everyone" is an oxymoron. If everyone gets the same treatment from the dice, it's by definition "fair". It's just not what you expect the outcomes to be. The attacker's advantage is actually quite small, and when you deal with small stacks you increase the chance of an event that seems "anomalous". You shouldn't take an opinion poll with a small number of participants, so why expect an 8 v 3 to turn out as you expect purely from the mathematical probability?
Secondly, if you've worked out strategies to deal with this, isn't this the whole point of the game, and why people enjoy it? The dice are better for defenders than you expected, you've adjusted your strategy but not everyone else has, therefore you have the advantage. Kudos, enjoy it. If it becomes too easy for you because now you just win all the time, try a different game style or map etc. Or set yourself a target of only playing higher-ranked players (who presumably also have successful strategies). I don't understand the complaint here.

[Hoots]

Here is something i just picked up on and has helped me *somewhat accept* frustrating dice.

The most common outcome in a roll is either a 2-0 or 0-2 (combined % is in the mid 60's while a 1-1 roll is around 33% i believe)

The nature of the games i play (doubles, flat rate or none, small-medium maps) doesnt allow large stacks typically. a 8 vs 3 roll is a "large stack". Without the big stacks a 0-2, 0-2 hurts but when you combine it with an opp going 2-0, 2-0 it is often game deciding. In the games i play i dont get the 30s vs 25s to even themselves out.

As a test my P and I have been playing a world map where we just attack each other 101 vs 100 and examine the results.

So far.. our limited data seems to be right on as far as percentages go of 2-0, 0-2 and 1-1's. The biggest 0-2 or 2-0 run we have seen so far is 8 in a row (16-0 or 0-16).

All that being said... it still doesnt feel right to me

As the OP said here, those 1/millions "feel like" they happen alot more than they should be (regardless of how many rolls this site sees a day)... The thing is... we all see a couple of these often or daily.. I just find it hard to believe that me an i partner are that unlucky to be catching the crazy rolls so often...

Anywho, it is fun to discuss. I would love to be able to use a prog to record every roll but i think im SOL on IE (cant change that). Can IE users use anything to record dice?

edit. What concerns me is when i see stretchs of 20 rolls with no 1-1s. (which i am seeing in limited data) 20 Rolls in a row of either 2-0 or 0-2's. That is what seems off to me. This is what fits in with the feel of something being off. When i have a 5 vs 1 (4 attackers) I should win that around 97/100 times. (even if i need all 4 to do it). I/we lose this roll multiple times a day and my guess would be bc of what i said above. You either roll through it and take out 6 singles going 6-0 or you cant beat it. I feels like there is no middle ground. Id would love just being able to remotely count on 1-1 dice...

[sbuck143]

Well, thanks to everyone who replied in this thread.

I'm loggin out of Conquer Club for good. In the past weeks since my last post, there have been several DOZEN more 1 in 1.67 million situations I've witnessed, both as the victim and the perpetrator. I can appreciate if you want to rationalize this somehow, but the bottomline is these kind of stacked odds do not create enjoyable environment for me, no matter if this can be used to my advantage.

14 games, 10 won and almost getting to 1300 will be my accomplishment for all time here

Take care all,

Scott

[Timminz]

I have d/l'ed the plug-in but how about you tell me how many total rolls I should have before the results start to look fair and balanced?

The more, the better. I have just over a million dice recorded. You probably won't need to wait that long.

[AndyDufresne]

Right, with any statistical sampling, the more the better usually. This will keep to a minimum extreme outliers influencing your results.


--Andy

[Georgerx7di]

The dice have 6 sides.

[angola]

You want bad dice?

How about a 50 vs. 31?

I ended with 3 and he ended with 6.

Got to love the attacker losing 47 and the other cocksucker losing 25. Bullfuckingshit.

I blame George W. Bush. Only someone as fucked up as him could have caused this.

Oh, well, I'll get my swords back later this week.

[angola]

Ahh, so angry.

After I lost my 50 vs. 31, because of course makes sense, the guy I'm playing takes me from 33 to 10 with his 12. Then he destroys me with a 16.

Of course.

When the dice are against you. They are against you.

Fuckingpieceoffuckingshitmotherfuckinggarbagestupidfuckingdice.

I wish they were for me again.

I blame the lack of health care reform in the USA.

[Hoots]

Ahh, so angry.

After I lost my 50 vs. 31, because of course makes sense, the guy I'm playing takes me from 33 to 10 with his 12. Then he destroys me with a 16.

Of course.

When the dice are against you. They are against you.

I wish i could better understand the streakyness we all seem to see. What you describe is the story of my CC career. Either for or against one person rolls 90+% and then on the comeback the other goes 10%... The delta in troops is game deciding.

My most recent was 15 attackers (opp) vs a 3,10,2,1,1,1,2,1 (me) he won that 15 vs 21 (over 8 ) and had 6 armies left to reup. (21-4 turn) the come back was a 1-5 for me making it a 26-5 delta. (Thats about a 1/178 roll for him and a 1/10 roll for me)

So 21 delta troops, 2 bonuses that wernt broken on the comback (a +3 & +2) and and a additional 3 troops on the drop bc of the 8 territories he added... Game over.

Frustrating??? Yeah. Unusual here? Not in the least. Im not crying fixed dice or anything but as i have said before this site just makes me shake my head and constanlty has me pulling old probability books and web references to get myself to believe im seeing random results...

[jefjef]

Well let me share my dice week of hell.

Over 30 to kill 9

Lose 12 and only kill 1 neutral army.

my 60 some stack got hit by about 15 & I was left with 36

many many times lose entire drop & not be able to conquer tert or even damage it.

Overall seem to be averaging this week 5 to kill 1.

had a game that I was only able to conquer 1 tert. It was at the very end of the game against a 1 and it took all I had left.

Random dice? Hard to believe when opponents are laughing about how gold the dice are for them.

My worst slump yet. Thanks CC. Sure is a lot of fun.

[ronsizzle]

I AM IN THE FUCKING SAME SLUMP.

THESE FUCKING DICE SUCK DICK.

[angola]

Since I bitched so much about the dice last night, I'd like to say I just won a 25 vs. 22 with 19 to spare.

The dice giveth and the dice taketh.

[qwertylpc]

I no that the dice are random and gotten from random.com, but CC needs new dice, get them from some other randomizing site. This is 2 much of the dice streaking. Also they're either flawless (best i've seen is 5 v 12 the opponent won losing 1 guy), or terrible (worst iv'e seen is i attacked with 90 something vs 50 something on World 2.1 i lost and the other guy had 10 remaining.)

I no that they'll never be perfect, but they should at least be good.

So lack please try to get dice from another randomizer