Noobs can win..

[AAFitz]

Oh, so the new recruits are just as likely to win...and less likely to deadbeat.

So...whats your record against them then?

I dont think anyone said a new recruit couldnt win...only that the majority couldnt win.

By all means...post those figures to prove that wrong.

[AndyDufresne]

Oh, so the new recruits are just as likely to win...and less likely to deadbeat.

So...whats your record against them then?

I dont think anyone said a new recruit couldnt win...only that the majority couldnt win.

By all means...post those figures to prove that wrong.

Using statistics, numbers, figures, to prop up an argument? Pfft. Who needs such things?


--Andy

[KraphtOne]

This is what it looks like when you win...
Game 5740823 +18 points

And Here's Why It's Not A Great Way To Try To Farm...

Game 5634150 -50
Game 5634151 -34
Game 5661634 -66
Game 5661635 -56
Game 5666913 -59
Game 5680048 -63
Game 5683144 -59
Game 5683148 -64
Game 5683151 -58
Game 5692268 -57
Game 5707638 -65
Game 5707649 -42
Game 5714987 -58
Game 5724485 -52
Game 5724491 -71
Game 5735941 -100
Game 5740821 -48
Game 5746657 -38
Game 5746659 -86
Game 5746665 -71
Game 5746669 -56
Game 5753156 -55
Game 5753168 -57
Game 5753172 -70
Game 5760434 -61
Game 5763872 -64
Game 5770379 -54
Game 5770383 -61
Game 5770391 -100
Game 5773677 -51
Game 5773694 -49
Game 5778038 -57
Game 5778039 -61
Game 5778050 -46
Game 5785626 -40
Game 5794546 -68
Game 5785641 -57
this is out of a sample of 200 games

that's -2082 points for those that are counting, and this does not include games that i lost against players of equal rank

take out the 450 points i lost in the 20 or so games i lost to higher ranked players and we're up over -2500...

despite this huge chunk of points being lost the good players can win enough games to overcome this...

which makes some people envious and start trying to deflate accomplishments...

but those are just facts... pay them no mind...

[tdans]

wow.. awesome krapht.... lol

[azezzo]

i haved warned you tdans, but you just wont confess, and repent, so what happened, my liutenant 1931roadster was forced to administer another dose of the harsh reality that you fail to accept, quite the slow learner you are.

Game 5891437

[tdans]

i haved warned you tdans, but you just wont confess, and repent, so what happened, my liutenant 1931roadster was forced to administer another dose of the harsh reality that you fail to accept, quite the slow learner you are.

Game 5891437

LOL... he got lucky,, dumb recruit broke the ten left ones and deadbeated YAY him

[AAFitz]

This is what it looks like when you win...
Game 5740823 +18 points

And Here's Why It's Not A Great Way To Try To Farm...

Game 5634150 -50
Game 5634151 -34
Game 5661634 -66
Game 5661635 -56
Game 5666913 -59
Game 5680048 -63
Game 5683144 -59
Game 5683148 -64
Game 5683151 -58
Game 5692268 -57
Game 5707638 -65
Game 5707649 -42
Game 5714987 -58
Game 5724485 -52
Game 5724491 -71
Game 5735941 -100
Game 5740821 -48
Game 5746657 -38
Game 5746659 -86
Game 5746665 -71
Game 5746669 -56
Game 5753156 -55
Game 5753168 -57
Game 5753172 -70
Game 5760434 -61
Game 5763872 -64
Game 5770379 -54
Game 5770383 -61
Game 5770391 -100
Game 5773677 -51
Game 5773694 -49
Game 5778038 -57
Game 5778039 -61
Game 5778050 -46
Game 5785626 -40
Game 5794546 -68
Game 5785641 -57
this is out of a sample of 200 games

that's -2082 points for those that are counting, and this does not include games that i lost against players of equal rank

take out the 450 points i lost in the 20 or so games i lost to higher ranked players and we're up over -2500...

despite this huge chunk of points being lost the good players can win enough games to overcome this...

which makes some people envious and start trying to deflate accomplishments...

but those are just facts... pay them no mind...

No one ever said it was a great way to farm...only that it was farming

and...what accomplishment are you talking about exactly? Winning every single one of the games here, which all had new recruits in them??

Whats funny, is if you go outside this block of games, you have losses everywhere...but inside this block, you won every single won... Im sure that must just be a coiincidence that these are the ones with new recruits then... You must have been very annoyed at winning so many...Im sure

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[tdans]

ahha aafitz... seriously???? thats like less that the other lsit.. come on give me some more....

[KraphtOne]

No one ever said it was a great way to farm...only that it was farming

and...what accomplishment are you talking about exactly? Winning every single one of the games here, which all had new recruits in them??

Whats funny, is if you go outside this block of games, you have losses everywhere...but inside this block, you won every single won... Im sure that must just be a coiincidence that these are the ones with new recruits then... You must have been very annoyed at winning so many...Im sure

i've said it before and i'll say it again, you fitz... are a fuckin idiot

just showed you 2500 points that i lost and then showed you what a win against 3 new recruits that deadbeat looks like...

i won 18 points, but we'll call it an average of 20 points per win against a game with 3 new recruits...

you showed 11 games, (some of which had non-new recruits in them, which defeats the point of your argument omg you're a moron)...

but let's pretend that (for your retarded arguments sake)... let's pretend that all 11 of these games you found had nothing but 3 new recruits and they deadbeated... (because that is your argument, that new recruits deadbeat and give players wins)

at 20 points per win times 11 games we get 220 points i theoretically would have won had these all been new recruits... 2500-220=2280 points i'm still down...

for your argument of farming, in order for me to gain even a point i would have to have 125 games against 3 new recruits that deadbeated the game...

find me 125 games out of those 200 i showed where i beat 3 new recruits...

find me 125 total where i beat 3 new recruits that deadbeated the game...

i can see it now... " not all of them are still new recruits"

the ones that deadbeated all 3 turns i assure you are still new recruits...

or "it's not just the fact that they are deadbeating, new recruits don't know the map"

no sir that has not been the argument, your argument was that they deadbeated and gave free wins away... the arguments that they don't know the map could also be made about cooks and privates and AAfitzes... hell with city mogul there are the players that know the map and then there are the other 99.9% of conquer clubers that donate points...

" Whats funny, is if you go outside this block of games, you have losses everywhere...but inside this block, you won every single won... "

that makes no sense... fitz do your friends (ei. mom and dad) refer to you as "special" ?

no go away or i shall taunt you a second time...

[AAFitz]

No one ever said it was a great way to farm...only that it was farming

and...what accomplishment are you talking about exactly? Winning every single one of the games here, which all had new recruits in them??

Whats funny, is if you go outside this block of games, you have losses everywhere...but inside this block, you won every single won... Im sure that must just be a coiincidence that these are the ones with new recruits then... You must have been very annoyed at winning so many...Im sure

i've said it before and i'll say it again, you fitz... are a fuckin idiot

just showed you 2500 points that i lost and then showed you what a win against 3 new recruits that deadbeat looks like...

i won 18 points, but we'll call it an average of 20 points per win against a game with 3 new recruits...

you showed 11 games, (some of which had non-new recruits in them, which defeats the point of your argument omg you're a moron)...

but let's pretend that (for your retarded arguments sake)... let's pretend that all 11 of these games you found had nothing but 3 new recruits and they deadbeated... (because that is your argument, that new recruits deadbeat and give players wins)

at 20 points per win times 11 games we get 220 points i theoretically would have won had these all been new recruits... 2500-220=2280 points i'm still down...

for your argument of farming, in order for me to gain even a point i would have to have 125 games against 3 new recruits that deadbeated the game...

find me 125 games out of those 200 i showed where i beat 3 new recruits...

find me 125 total where i beat 3 new recruits that deadbeated the game...

i can see it now... " not all of them are still new recruits"

the ones that deadbeated all 3 turns i assure you are still new recruits...

or "it's not just the fact that they are deadbeating, new recruits don't know the map"

no sir that has not been the argument, your argument was that they deadbeated and gave free wins away... the arguments that they don't know the map could also be made about cooks and privates and AAfitzes... hell with city mogul there are the players that know the map and then there are the other 99.9% of conquer clubers that donate points...

" Whats funny, is if you go outside this block of games, you have losses everywhere...but inside this block, you won every single won... "

that makes no sense... fitz do your friends (ei. mom and dad) refer to you as "special" ?

no go away or i shall taunt you a second time...

Clearly it was I who taunted you. I posted some figures and you lost it

If you cant figured out what I meant by my statement... The block I showed, you won every game... but outside that block.. many non new recruits joined, and you had losses everywhere.... Ill try to simplify it more if its still too complicated.

I took the figures from page ten of your 4 players singles games on feudal.

And again, I never said you won points from it...only that it was technically farming of new recruits....new recruits are the only thing protected at CC....which is the only reason it was mentioned. If those games had players with 6 games in them...it simply wouldnt matter at all...

In any case...you take this way too personally man...

As far as a game having a non new recruit....if the game had a new recruit it still counts...and anyone reasonable understands why.....

If a new recruit is in a game...they are more likely to deadbeat...its simply a given fact...they are also more likely to not understand the map...that is less certain....but if there is even one new recruit in a game....it changes the win percentage likelyhood... so Im afraid it is you who are incorrect on that point..

In any case...what was the acomplishment me or someone was trying to diminish somehow??

[AAFitz]

ahha aafitz... seriously???? thats like less that the other lsit.. come on give me some more....

Its a block of games of 4 players, all with new recruits in them. Kraftyones usual win rate on the map is 50%...but with those, it was 100%... which...using my calculator here...yup... slightly higher...and therefore worth mentioning...

Now...before and after that block are games without new recruits...and magically... losses are peppered throughout... possibly as high as 48% statistically...

I agree its a small sample... but it certainly highlights the issue. 11 games in a row with new recruits, 11 games in a row won... games before and after...not nearly as many wins....

In any case...I dont really care... It happens to be against the rules to farm new recruits....and Im really only posting that.

However, in those 11 games... noobs cant win

[KraphtOne]

"As far as a game having a non new recruit....if the game had a new recruit it still counts...and anyone reasonable understands why.....

If a new recruit is in a game...they are more likely to deadbeat...its simply a given fact...they are also more likely to not understand the map...that is less certain....but if there is even one new recruit in a game....it changes the win percentage likelyhood... so Im afraid it is you who are incorrect on that point.."


so you're saying that if there is a single new recruit in any game that i am in then it means that the game is ruined an i'm going to automatically win...

the ONLY time its good to have new recruits in the game is if its just you and 3 of em...

eh what's the point, you're a moron...

[azezzo]

you know what?, someone really needs to pull the stick out of c.c.'s ass. Seriously, if someone, Anyone, wants to start a game whos to tell him what settings hes allowed to play, or with how many players, if i like to play feudal 5 player, so what, i've payed my money to play so lighten up. I'm sure the vast majority of c.c.'s members got their asses kicked in the beginning, so what, you learn as you go. Hell, king herpes lost his first 4 games

[AAFitz]

"As far as a game having a non new recruit....if the game had a new recruit it still counts...and anyone reasonable understands why.....

If a new recruit is in a game...they are more likely to deadbeat...its simply a given fact...they are also more likely to not understand the map...that is less certain....but if there is even one new recruit in a game....it changes the win percentage likelyhood... so Im afraid it is you who are incorrect on that point.."


so you're saying that if there is a single new recruit in any game that i am in then it means that the game is ruined an i'm going to automatically win...

the ONLY time its good to have new recruits in the game is if its just you and 3 of em...

eh what's the point, you're a moron...

that color suits you...but yes... if there is one new recruit in the game...his odds of deadbeating are more likely...so farming them gives you a better shot...

and maybe Im a moron...but if two new recruits deadbeat....its just me...but.....i would think the odds of winning going from 25% chance of win....(this is because....as you argue...new recruits have JUST as much chance of winning as you do ) to 50% theoretically of course.

In any case, its not really your fault... if they arent blocked from feudal by now..than honestly they should be fair game.

Sorry to see you getting flustered again though...

[KraphtOne]

"As far as a game having a non new recruit....if the game had a new recruit it still counts...and anyone reasonable understands why.....

If a new recruit is in a game...they are more likely to deadbeat...its simply a given fact...they are also more likely to not understand the map...that is less certain....but if there is even one new recruit in a game....it changes the win percentage likelyhood... so Im afraid it is you who are incorrect on that point.."

that color suits you...but yes... if there is one new recruit in the game...his odds of deadbeating are more likely...so farming them gives you a better shot...

and maybe Im a moron...but if two new recruits deadbeat....its just me...but.....i would think the odds of winning going from 25% chance of win....(this is because....as you argue...new recruits have JUST as much chance of winning as you do ) to 50% theoretically of course.

In any case, its not really your fault... if they arent blocked from feudal by now..than honestly they should be fair game.

Sorry to see you getting flustered again though...

the colour was me quoting you, and thus putting your words in girlish pink, idiot... and yes, you are a moron because you do not understand the feudal map and yet you sit and argue what is and is not good for the gameplay...

and i know i've explained it to you before, but you're obviously too stupid to understand... you should apply for a mod-ship...

one last time i'll explain it to you, but if after that you still give the same dumb comments you've been giving then i'm sorry, but i can't help you to not sound stupid...

In a 4 player feudal game you have to go through quite a few troops to get to another players castle... If one of those players is a new recruit, and takes his first turn only to attack with every troop he has and then deadbeat, then it becomes very easy for the player that was dropped 1 castle over from the new recruit to swoop in and get the huge bonus for the remainder of the game... This only helps ONE of the remaining players... Only the player that is able to jump in and grab the +10 or 11 bonus troops from holding the extra castle... the other 2 players are screwed... this is the main reason that players like myself and tdans (people that know the map, which does not include you fitz) do not want to have new recruits in feudal games Cant tell you how many games i've lost because some idiot new recruit nukes the 10 surrounding his castle and then deadbeats...


and maybe Im a moron...but if two new recruits deadbeat....its just me...but.....i would think the odds of winning going from 25% chance of win....(this is because....as you argue...new recruits have JUST as much chance of winning as you do ) to 50% theoretically of course.


dumbass, i have never argued that new recruits have just as much of a chance at winning as i do.. my argument is that they have almost no chance and are basically there to ruin the game... what they do allow, is for a cook to win when the cook is dropped next to 2 new recruits that blast their neutrals and then deadbeat... while i'm sittin on the other side of the map... you say my chances are now 50%... in a normal one versus one game on feudal i tend to win at least 85 to 90% of my games these days... so for my chances in this scenerio to only be a 50% chance that i get screwed when people deadbeat, you can imagine i'm un-enthused...

well no, you probably sit around imagining meeting your first girl...

and you're right you do get me "worked up" when i read your dribble... that's why you do it of course... now go be a good little girl and see if blitzy will carry you for a few games so you can become a captain again

[AAFitz]

"As far as a game having a non new recruit....if the game had a new recruit it still counts...and anyone reasonable understands why.....

If a new recruit is in a game...they are more likely to deadbeat...its simply a given fact...they are also more likely to not understand the map...that is less certain....but if there is even one new recruit in a game....it changes the win percentage likelyhood... so Im afraid it is you who are incorrect on that point.."

that color suits you...but yes... if there is one new recruit in the game...his odds of deadbeating are more likely...so farming them gives you a better shot...

and maybe Im a moron...but if two new recruits deadbeat....its just me...but.....i would think the odds of winning going from 25% chance of win....(this is because....as you argue...new recruits have JUST as much chance of winning as you do ) to 50% theoretically of course.

In any case, its not really your fault... if they arent blocked from feudal by now..than honestly they should be fair game.

Sorry to see you getting flustered again though...

the colour was me quoting you, and thus putting your words in girlish pink, idiot... and yes, you are a moron because you do not understand the feudal map and yet you sit and argue what is and is not good for the gameplay...

and i know i've explained it to you before, but you're obviously too stupid to understand... you should apply for a mod-ship...

one last time i'll explain it to you, but if after that you still give the same dumb comments you've been giving then i'm sorry, but i can't help you to not sound stupid...

In a 4 player feudal game you have to go through quite a few troops to get to another players castle... If one of those players is a new recruit, and takes his first turn only to attack with every troop he has and then deadbeat, then it becomes very easy for the player that was dropped 1 castle over from the new recruit to swoop in and get the huge bonus for the remainder of the game... This only helps ONE of the remaining players... Only the player that is able to jump in and grab the +10 or 11 bonus troops from holding the extra castle... the other 2 players are screwed... this is the main reason that players like myself and tdans (people that know the map, which does not include you fitz) do not want to have new recruits in feudal games Cant tell you how many games i've lost because some idiot new recruit nukes the 10 surrounding his castle and then deadbeats...


and maybe Im a moron...but if two new recruits deadbeat....its just me...but.....i would think the odds of winning going from 25% chance of win....(this is because....as you argue...new recruits have JUST as much chance of winning as you do ) to 50% theoretically of course.


dumbass, i have never argued that new recruits have just as much of a chance at winning as i do.. my argument is that they have almost no chance and are basically there to ruin the game... what they do allow, is for a cook to win when the cook is dropped next to 2 new recruits that blast their neutrals and then deadbeat... while i'm sittin on the other side of the map... you say my chances are now 50%... in a normal one versus one game on feudal i tend to win at least 85 to 90% of my games these days... so for my chances in this scenerio to only be a 50% chance that i get screwed when people deadbeat, you can imagine i'm un-enthused...

well no, you probably sit around imagining meeting your first girl...

and you're right you do get me "worked up" when i read your dribble... that's why you do it of course... no go be a good little girl and see if blitzy will carry you for a few games so you can become a captain again

Yeah... I just cant seem to earn any points...must be the dice or something...

You have fun on your map... this conversation is feudal and watch out for those brand new players... I hear they are vicious

[KraphtOne]

no fitz it's not the dice... you're just not playing enough team games these days...

AAfitz singles map rank : Cook7204 -7404 2120 from 4663(45%)
AAfitz when his boys are carrying him in team games : Field Marshal +8539 2410 from 3396(71%)

[AAFitz]

no fitz it's not the dice... you're just not playing enough team games these days...

AAfitz singles map rank : Cook7204 -7404 2120 from 4663(45%)
AAfitz when his boys are carrying him in team games : Field Marshal +8539 2410 from 3396(71%)

Yeah.. I was joking about the dice. I decide my score at any given time...

And sure.. -7000 seems like Im pretty bad at singles... but you might want to show where I lost those points...

Nearly 3000 of them were on doodle assassin at one point... while some ignore other players for fear of the silly scores... I spend mine freely and have a blast doing it... I believe my personal best was going from 3400 to 1200.. in a few days.

I lose all my points in speed games against low ranks....I simply dont care... when I want points.. I simply go get them... until them... I have fun

World 2.1 Field Marshal +6759 1379 from 1864(74%) 1575

You can decide if those are all "team" games or not

Oh, when you get sick of the ?'s beating you.. just click remove foe... perhaps I will get some more points afterall

and heres where I had fun losing nearly half of all singles points lost

Doodle Earth -3335 120 from 438(27%) 184 Murderer (45%)61

Just let me know when you have the guts to show me how bad I am... but oh.. I forgot.. you use delay tactics...but foe those that do... I always forget that...

anyways.. Noobs can win... Lightning can strike.. and farmers can farm...One of these just happens far more often than the others