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Postby eddie2 on Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:42 pm

sorry but what the f@#k is up with them 300 straight point loss after a good win streak no change in tactics but 20 v 1 losses and so on. like arms race 70 v missile launch and only getting 3 through somthing is f@##ed up with that. what you lot think its more like data chip picks who is gonna win and thats it. no matter what the tactics are.
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby donkeymile on Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:54 pm

I totally agree!!!!!!!!

The dice here are brutal and streaky ... if they were random it wouldn't be that streaky. too much bullshit the past 6 months or so.
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby natty dread on Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:01 pm

Nah, it's just fluctuations in cosmic radiation that causes the so called streakiness. Possibly also aliens are trying to contact us.

(Everyone knows random.org picks their numbers from static noise and that comes from cosmic radiation. So there)
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby Johnny Rockets on Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:44 pm

How do we know that in a universe of pattern that cosmic radiation is emitting random pattern?

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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby Snowgun on Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:55 pm

Johnny Rockets wrote:How do we know that in a universe of pattern that cosmic radiation is emitting random pattern?

JR



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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby Army of GOD on Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:02 pm

Science my ass.

You disrespected the gods. Therefore, you are paying the price.
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby frankiebee on Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:11 pm

eddie2 wrote:sorry but what the f@#k is up with them 300 straight point loss after a good win streak


Let me guess, that win streak was purely by good strategy?
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby Snowgun on Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:57 pm

frankiebee wrote:
Let me guess, that win streak was purely by good strategy?


My strategy consists of trying to compensate for shit dice.
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby Caymanmew on Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:01 pm

Army of GOD wrote:Science my ass.

You disrespected the gods. Therefore, you are paying the price.



what gods?


o yes the one the retarded people make up

got ya ;)
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby john9blue on Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:11 pm

frankiebee wrote:Let me guess, that win streak was purely by good strategy?


And here comes the "high ranker who can't conceive of luck and insists his high rank signifies his superiority because everyone else is dumb for thinking someone could lose Risk because of bad luck".

There's one in every dice thread. ;)
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby jammyjames on Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:28 pm

Army of GOD wrote:Science my ass.

You disrespected the gods. Therefore, you are paying the price.


God sucks balls... and the price tag of this is what may i ask??
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby Georgerx7di on Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:34 pm

john9blue wrote:
frankiebee wrote:Let me guess, that win streak was purely by good strategy?


And here comes the "high ranker who can't conceive of luck and insists his high rank signifies his superiority because everyone else is dumb for thinking someone could lose Risk because of bad luck".

There's one in every dice thread. ;)


Make it two. You can loose 1 game because of dice. You can loose or gain 300 points partly because of dice. But your score stays within a range, and where that range is depends on your skill level and on game selection.
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby Army of GOD on Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:35 pm

jammyjames wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:Science my ass.

You disrespected the gods. Therefore, you are paying the price.


God sucks balls... and the price tag of this is what may i ask??


Gods*

Bad dice? I'm not sure what the gods want.
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby jammyjames on Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:38 pm

Army of GOD wrote:
jammyjames wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:Science my ass.

You disrespected the gods. Therefore, you are paying the price.


God sucks balls... and the price tag of this is what may i ask??


Gods*

Bad dice? I'm not sure what the gods want.


Sorry, just been playing COD for hours straight, not thinking properly. lol
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby natty dread on Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:51 pm

jammyjames wrote:
God sucks balls...


Really? Is he any good at it?
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby Snowgun on Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:14 pm

Georgerx7di wrote:
john9blue wrote:
frankiebee wrote:Let me guess, that win streak was purely by good strategy?


And here comes the "high ranker who can't conceive of luck and insists his high rank signifies his superiority because everyone else is dumb for thinking someone could lose Risk because of bad luck".

There's one in every dice thread. ;)


Make it two. You can loose 1 game because of dice. You can loose or gain 300 points partly because of dice. But your score stays within a range, and where that range is depends on your skill level and on game selection.


You of all people should know that variation exists and the extent of the variability can also be small, large or variable, so that if the dice can vary wildly, your score can vary wildy, and that "range" can be between sergeant and major.

Therefore dice has (but isn't fully responsibly for) an effect on rank.

(what if someone with bad dice plays only doubles games with someone who is good and has normal dice?) all sorts of possibilities can exist, and dice play a part
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby stahrgazer on Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:29 pm

eddie2 wrote:sorry but what the f@#k is up with them 300 straight point loss after a good win streak no change in tactics but 20 v 1 losses and so on. like arms race 70 v missile launch and only getting 3 through somthing is f@##ed up with that. what you lot think its more like data chip picks who is gonna win and thats it. no matter what the tactics are.


Check your RAM usage when playing. What background programs were eating up your RAM, causing minor (or major) stalls in random's dice interface?

For ages, I couldn't play speed games; insufficient RAM. Oh, I could join them, and even take a turn, but sooner or later (frequently sooner) my puter would freeze up.. it was a Vista opsys with only 2gb RAM, and Vista eats over 1gb, leaving little to random with. Recently went to Win7 and doubled the RAM and last night, finally got to play a speed game. Lots of hiccups still (Oh, for 8gb!!!) but no freezeup. And I got some of the good dice you didn't; attacked 11v17 and won with 6 leftover. Compensated for by 7 losses starting with 8v1 on another game.
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby Georgerx7di on Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:58 pm

Snowgun wrote:
Georgerx7di wrote:
john9blue wrote:
frankiebee wrote:Let me guess, that win streak was purely by good strategy?


And here comes the "high ranker who can't conceive of luck and insists his high rank signifies his superiority because everyone else is dumb for thinking someone could lose Risk because of bad luck".

There's one in every dice thread. ;)


Make it two. You can loose 1 game because of dice. You can loose or gain 300 points partly because of dice. But your score stays within a range, and where that range is depends on your skill level and on game selection.


You of all people should know that variation exists and the extent of the variability can also be small, large or variable, so that if the dice can vary wildly, your score can vary wildy, and that "range" can be between sergeant and major.

Therefore dice has (but isn't fully responsibly for) an effect on rank.

(what if someone with bad dice plays only doubles games with someone who is good and has normal dice?) all sorts of possibilities can exist, and dice play a part



When you think about how many rolls you have in one game, and how many games it would take to go up or down that much, it's extremely unlikely to happen. For an average players their score will stay within a range of about 400 or 500 points. So between 1,500 and 2,000 I could believe. But that is the lowest end of major and the high end of Sergeant. Another player might go from 2,000 to 2,500 back and forth. This player might be better than the first one mentioned. Or they might be playing different types of games.

Score can fluctuate based on game type, but if you are playing the same types of games there usually isn't more than 500 points between your highs and lows. But a players who's high's hit 1,600 is not as good as a player who's high's hit 3,600.

If anyone is going to disagree and say that winning is not a measure of skill, then what is. If you think that all games are decided by dice then why play. Either you enjoy shooting dice or you should stop playing this game. I personally think that there is skill involved in this game, and that skill is to some degree born out in your score. Although a player who is a private because he is playing ass doodle all the time, but was once a brig, is clearly comparable in skill to someone else who is currently a brig.
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby Robinette on Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:21 pm

don't listen to George...

your bad dice streak was likely caused by the recent spike in sun spot activity...
Random.org uses cosmic static to create 'randon' dice, but when cosmic aberrations wreak havoc in the universe, then of course the randomness of our dice will change...

want proof?

http://www.spaceweather.com/

if it's too much to read and absorb, then at least look at the 'movie'...
http://www.spaceweather.com/images2010/05feb10/stereob_eruption_anim.gif?PHPSESSID=7qon074d39maap1f0cbqh63rs2



but George does make some valid points...
I consider myself to be an above average player,
but would i have reached the #4 scoreboard position without avoiding making critical moves during high sunspot activity? especially considering i mostly played 6p std seq esc....

think about it... O:) ;)
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby jefjef on Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:35 pm

Every game I have ever lost was due to strategy.

Every game I have ever won was due to dice.
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby john9blue on Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:00 am

jefjef wrote:Every game I have ever lost was due to strategy.

Every game I have ever won was due to dice.


Me too!

Wait... damn.
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby Snowgun on Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:03 am

jefjef wrote:Every game I have ever lost was due to strategy.

Every game I have ever won was due to dice.


Me too!

Wait, other way around.... 8-)

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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby Army of GOD on Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:10 am

I don't lose.

When I lose, the dice lost it for me.
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby frankiebee on Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:48 am

john9blue wrote:
frankiebee wrote:Let me guess, that win streak was purely by good strategy?


And here comes the "high ranker who can't conceive of luck and insists his high rank signifies his superiority because everyone else is dumb for thinking someone could lose Risk because of bad luck".

There's one in every dice thread. ;)


There should be more in every thread where players are whining about the dice. People need to understand that random does not equal fair.
So yes, you will lose games because of the dice, I lost many games because the dice screwed me over. On the other hand, I am fair enough to admit that I have won a lot of games because I had good dice to.
Most people forget that they win may games just because they were lucky, but they are all starting topics that they are quitting CC when they lose a few games because they had some nasty losing streaks.

Georgerx7di made a very good point. If you are a good CC player, you might drop from Major to Sergeant because your dice where horrifying, but good players will eventually get back to the rank witch equals there skill level/game selection.
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby AAFitz on Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:09 am

Johnny Rockets wrote:How do we know that in a universe of pattern that cosmic radiation is emitting random pattern?

JR


they used a cosmic radiation emitter analyzer

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