Moderating Mods

[a.sub]

As of late CC has taken a significantly more PG view of how to run their website. Starting with the removal of the flame wars to applying the rules with much less leave way. I personally like this route because, though i did flame myself, i can honestly say the Forums are more enjoyable to me with out the flame wars. Now im not starting another, should we bring back the FW thread for people to bicker over. My concern is with the mods, if CC expects us to behave our selves so they can maintain a good reputation shouldnt they expect Mods to act as the example?

I am NOT saying by any means that Mods should never make a mistake because they are only human and thus make mistakes. It would be naive to assume that anyone can control themselves to the point that they will never make a mistake, but what about more extreme cases?

the specific case that brought me to write this is by mpjh. Before people go on a rant, i would like to point out that i have found mpjh to be very helpful as a Society teacher and in answering question in the Q&A. My question is simple, should CC punish mods with more than just a slap on the wrist in cases where Mods represent CC as mpjh has done below.

Mind you this is all in one thread

QUOTES:
bigotry

Hey, Quentin Tarantino can make a movie about killing innocent people and cops and get rich. Let's see the difference is --- well, Quentin is WHITE.

What baloney -- don't know what movies you have watched but there a plenty about murder and mayhem of innocent people and specific officials. It is just a part of the teen white culture that is accepted.

flaming

Tarantino movies depicted the killing of innocent people -- that is the point, a movie justification for the killing of innocent people. That is the theme of the ant-Native American westerns. That is the theme of black exploitation movies. That is the theme of most violence in movies. Nobody goes to jail for that. As for cops, they got nice cushy jobs, safe and sound, and crying to the public about how they protect us at their risk. Most cops I know are corrupt, winking to the drug trade, and never had a shot fired at them, ever, in their entire career. The job of policeman does not even make it into the top ten of jobs that are unsafe.

Don't see any cops posting here. My guess is they are laughing in their beer at the tears you guys are shedding for the poor dears. Death threats to innocent people are common place in this country, and cops deserve no more attention than anyone else.

the latter is borderline flaming but is definitely baiting

[slowreactor]

How many games did he beat you in to deserve this kind of blatant flaming?

[a.sub]

How many games did he beat you in to deserve this kind of blatant flaming?

please show me my flames, because i dont see any.

[Master Fenrir]

How many games did he beat you in to deserve this kind of blatant flaming?

That occurred to me, too, so I checked. None. They've play two 6-man escs together, but neither of them won.

[a.sub]

How many games did he beat you in to deserve this kind of blatant flaming?

That occurred to me, too, so I checked. None. They've play two 6-man escs together, but neither of them won.

what flaming?

[slowreactor]

Wrong choice of words there. What I meant to say is, are you trying to get revenge on him for something he did or said to you?

[a.sub]

Wrong choice of words ther. What I meant to say is, are you trying to get revenge on him for something he did or said to you?

oh, not at all, in fact i even said in the post that for the most part i find him to be a good mod

[stahrgazer]

Agreed; some players are banned for bigotry, flaming, and so forth...so the community should be able to expect mods to walk the walk of no-bigotry.

Whatever the worst case action has been for someone else's first offense really should be the action taken for a mod's first offense.

[PLAYER57832]

Having participated (and responded to) the thread in question.. given the context the first was not racist. It could be, but just because someone mentions race does not equal racism.

The second, the comment about cops, I did find offensive, I answered it in the thread. I did not like it, but it was not flame, not racism and not truly a violation of CC rules as far as I know. People have the right to their own opinions, whether you or I like them or not. Besides, I have the feeling in this case he was as much blowing off steam as anything else (maybe not, but it does not really matter).

The "baiting" bit could, perhaps be a fair accusation, but again, in the context I would say you are picking at straws.

It does rather seem as if you have a grudge, if not against mj, then against mods, in general.

[PLAYER57832]

Agreed; some players are banned for bigotry, flaming, and so forth...so the community should be able to expect mods to walk the walk of no-bigotry.

Whatever the worst case action has been for someone else's first offense really should be the action taken for a mod's first offense.

I believe they are. If you have a problem with a particular mod, you can send an e-ticket. However, just like if you challenge a police officer, you had best be sure of your case!

[Night Strike]

The admins moderate the mods, so you can go to Optimus Prime when you have an issue with a mod.

[King_Herpes]

The admins moderate the mods, so you can go to Optimus Prime when you have an issue with a mod.

That is a Night Strike thing to say.

[Optimus Prime]

The admins moderate the mods, so you can go to Optimus Prime when you have an issue with a mod.

That is a Night Strike thing to say.

It is also the truth.

[squishyg]

How is calling someone "white" bigotry?

The cop thing was a little ignorant, and certainly offensive to police officers, but it seems like it's within the boundaries of the hot button topics we often discuss around the forums.

[the.killing.44]

How is calling someone "white" bigotry?

Did you read the quote?

[72o]

I did, and I don't think it's bigotry. Maybe a little stereotypical, but not offensive to me.

To me, saying "Blacks can be as racist as whites" is different than saying "Jesse Jackson is a porch monkey". One is a discussion on societal tendencies, the other is clearly racism. For what it's worth.

Before I am warned, the above was an example and was not intended to instigate any sort of racist discussion.

[PLAYER57832]

How is calling someone "white" bigotry?

The cop thing was a little ignorant, and certainly offensive to police officers, but it seems like it's within the boundaries of the hot button topics we often discuss around the forums.

Giving a specific racial category negative connotations can be racism, grouping people by race as if it were more than a simple passing note of interest can be racism. However, I agree that in this context, given the whole thread, it was not. Derogatory, but more to carry on and build on the tone of previous comments.

I would say it was not the wisest of comments for a mod, given that it would easily escalate into true racism, BUT, mods are human as the rest of us.

Bottom line-- this thread seems to be more about a grudge than any real issue. Poor form ideed! I thought better of you a.sub

but then, you, too are human .. so maybe we should all (myself included) just let this thread die its death

[owenshooter]

just keep reporting his posts and keep pm'ing admins, if you truly feel they cross the line. however, i am going to tell you good luck with this, and i am being absolutely sarcastic. at one time there was a global mod that had the entire forum community divided. half thought the mod to be the bee's knees, the other half thought the mod to be a lunatic that was out of control. my clan even received a visit from twill within our forums to search out any threads about the mod, due to the mods belief that we were making a concentrated effort to harass her due to her constant warnings and bans of our members. this culminated in our being warned about declaring war against CC and how we would lose in the end, as CC would always win. hmmmm... a week later that mod span out of control was fired, and enlisted her cronies to try and cripple CC using her insider info, etc... seems as if the "trouble makers" had been right about the mod. but hey, there was never any apology or admission of possible wrongdoing by the disgraced mod by team CC... hell, her many bans and warnings are still counted against my permanent record to this day, even though it is common knowledge that the mod was a lunatic and was banning regulars that she did not like.

long story short. even when a mod is obviously out of control, and the mod is repeatedly reported, nothing is going to happen until the mod spins out of control to a degree that it affects CC. until then, it is just some whiners in the forums that don't matter to CC. they still don't seem to get how amazing of a community they have here in the forums. you know, the community created by all of us, not them. if you want to see an attempt at a forced communtiy, led up by CC brown nosers and wanna-be mods, i'll point you to a speed sudoku site with a pretty dead forum full of spam and copy cat CC threads that are dead.

good luck with this... but as the mod you are targeting is nowhere NEAR the level of the mod i spoke of above, you aren't going to get much if any action on this. i have found a few of mpjh's post, since he has become a coloured name completely inappropriate for a coloured name, but oh well... allegedly they police themselves... what is even more interesting is my hesitance to report those posts as i am one post away from a perma-ban (which andy has refused to discuss or explain via PM to myself or any other representative of my clan, by simply ignoring the issue), because i know i'll just put a bigger target on my head... again, good luck!-0

p.s.-funny how so many of the "trouble makers" within the forums have been nominated in primes thread calling for nominations for members to help out team CC:

Okay, this endeavor may or may not work, but I'm going to give it a shot anyways. For some future projects here at Conquer Club I am going to be in need of a "focus group" of sorts. However, it won't really work like a normal focus group does. It will be more like an overall "sounding board" if you will to try and improve being able to make decisions that will benefit the community in the most positive manner possible.

team CC just doesn't seem to understand this forum community since twill's departure, and maybe this will help change things...

[mpjh]

I have said a number of times that I am a moderator in the Society of Cooks only. I have no mod powers outside that group. I think you guys are barking up the wrong tree.

[owenshooter]

I have said a number of times that I am a moderator in the Society of Cooks only. I have no mod powers outside that group. I think you guys are barking up the wrong tree.

you have a coloured name, and that comes with responsibilities such as a certain level of decorum within the forums... now you have just voiced that what the OP has posted is indeed true...-0

[Timminz]

I have said a number of times that I am a moderator in the Society of Cooks only. I have no mod powers outside that group. I think you guys are barking up the wrong tree.

Whether you like it or not, having the coloured name means that you will be seen as a representative of CC no matter which forum you are in.

*cue the "member first" spiel*

[mpjh]

I am not worried about my contribution to CC. I work hard and provide an honest service. I only want to confront the "boggie man" image you are trying to create. I cannot act with "bias" or in any way impose my will on other members outside the Society of Cooks, and there I work closely with the other moderators to be fair and helpful.

Frankly, I don't give a damn if you don't like my opinions, and that is what they are, my opinions, not the policy of CC.

[Fruitcake]

I am not worried about my contribution to CC. I work hard and provide an honest service. I only want to confront the "boggie man" image you are trying to create. I cannot act with "bias" or in any way impose my will on other members outside the Society of Cooks, and there I work closely with the other moderators to be fair and helpful.

Frankly, I don't give a damn if you don't like my opinions, and that is what they are, my opinions, not the policy of CC.

You may say all this and everyone who reads it may actually see the words. Unfortunately while you have the title 'moderator' under your name, judgement of your actions and words will be inflenced by this.

[Strife]

I suggest, for the mod in questions own good, maybe a title change will lighten it up? Instead of Society(Which implies everyone) change it to SoC's Mod or something similar, showing that he only has power there and nowhere else. I agree that the colour comes with responsibilities and what not.

[F1fth]

Head Chef maybe?