I've Had Enough

[hecter]

Now go take a long hard look in the mirror before bleating and crying about people you know nothing about. I've done absolutely nothing wrong to Woodruff and I have every right to lash the f*ck out when ignorant crybabies try to accuse me of being some kind of lunatic cyber-stalker, and when they drag my name through the mud for no good reason.

Well, new multi pops up, fairly common thing. Woodruff is a teacher. So he's Mr. Whateverhislastnameis. If said multi was indeed some sort of cyber-stalker, he could have very well found out Woodruff's last name, perhaps even a picture of one of his students. If I were Woodruff, and I saw somebody threatening to shoot me in the face with a 12-gauge on the internet, I would laugh and threaten to fire my orbital lasers at them. If I saw somebody on the internet with my last name as their name, and a picture of one of my students or children as their avatar, then I'd be rather alarmed, and would probably contact the authorities. I realize that this is just speculation, but it certainly sounds plausible.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Im just here to...

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[MeDeFe]

Now go take a long hard look in the mirror before bleating and crying about people you know nothing about. I've done absolutely nothing wrong to Woodruff and I have every right to lash the f*ck out when ignorant crybabies try to accuse me of being some kind of lunatic cyber-stalker, and when they drag my name through the mud for no good reason.

Well, new multi pops up, fairly common thing. Woodruff is a teacher. So he's Mr. Whateverhislastnameis. If said multi was indeed some sort of cyber-stalker, he could have very well found out Woodruff's last name, perhaps even a picture of one of his students. If I were Woodruff, and I saw somebody threatening to shoot me in the face with a 12-gauge on the internet, I would laugh and threaten to fire my orbital lasers at them. If I saw somebody on the internet with my last name as their name, and a picture of one of my students or children as their avatar, then I'd be rather alarmed, and would probably contact the authorities. I realize that this is just speculation, but it certainly sounds plausible.

So... where did MrWainthrope threaten to shoot Woodruff?

I never saw any such post.

[khazalid]

it was chaosfactor i think

[Rocketry]

Sad to see you go! Congrats on making the stand but I wonder if you are cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Rocket.

[PLAYER57832]

Now go take a long hard look in the mirror before bleating and crying about people you know nothing about. I've done absolutely nothing wrong to Woodruff and I have every right to lash the f*ck out when ignorant crybabies try to accuse me of being some kind of lunatic cyber-stalker, and when they drag my name through the mud for no good reason.

Well, new multi pops up, fairly common thing. Woodruff is a teacher. So he's Mr. Whateverhislastnameis. If said multi was indeed some sort of cyber-stalker, he could have very well found out Woodruff's last name, perhaps even a picture of one of his students. If I were Woodruff, and I saw somebody threatening to shoot me in the face with a 12-gauge on the internet, I would laugh and threaten to fire my orbital lasers at them. If I saw somebody on the internet with my last name as their name, and a picture of one of my students or children as their avatar, then I'd be rather alarmed, and would probably contact the authorities. I realize that this is just speculation, but it certainly sounds plausible.

You obviously take the threat seriously, so youd be insane to stay, if you feel the safety of your family or students is in jeopardy.

I do however think you went too far blaming moderators for some kid threatening to kill you. Its not their fault, their powers to stop it are pretty damn limited, and while I understand your frustration, I wish you held back just a bit there, because you undid alot of the messages youve typed out over the years.

If you did this graciously, and not retaliatory, it would have been much better. Now unfortunately, it seems your main point of the thread is to not explain why you are leaving, but to bash the moderators and the site.

Youre not the first, and you wont be the last, but its a damn shame from my point of view.

I think you are missing the point. Woody is taking legal action. I hope the admins take that seriously, because it can be damn serious. Death threats are a form of bullying and should not be tolerated.

Mr Wainthrope aside (who I do NOT believe is involved in this in any way),

The problem today is that you never really know if someone has your true information or not and, particularly on the internet, don't know if someone will or not act upon it. At least, most site administrators don't have the tools to know.

So, ALL threats like that really need to be taken as if they were serious unless it is pretty clear they are not.

I was rather mistified when, a while back, I fielded quite a few more than just nasty comments and threats (this was before walls, but they were voiced in the game, in pms, etc. multiple times) from someone. I filed my first real complaint and was told, basically that there was not anything CC could do... except that it turned out the guy was a multis and so he was banned for that (but not the abuse!).

The rules have changed a bit, but I still don't think threats are taken seriously enough. Again, the rule should not be "its OK unless you prove its true". The rule for serious threats (to kill or truly harm someone, their family, job position, etc.) should be "we consider it real UNLESS it is proven/obviously not". Even then ... the rules in society have changed. None of us, I believe feels the need to shout "fire" in crowded theatres. So, too,can we refrain from threatening to kill someone on the internet, even if it is supposed to be a jest.

[Snorri1234]

The problem today is that you never really know if someone has your true information or not and, particularly on the internet, don't know if someone will or not act upon it. At least, most site administrators don't have the tools to know.

So, ALL threats like that really need to be taken as if they were serious unless it is pretty clear they are not.

I agree with that. It's just that in this case it was obviously not a serious threat.


I mean, it was chaosfactor! The degenerate brit who only comes on this site when he's drunk to post some incomprehensible gibberish.

[Qwert]

If you have problem,then you need to solve in your way,but i think that its not right that you deadbeat all games,it will be much proper to send someon your password(to some person who you have trust) and that he can finish your last games.

[King_Herpes]

Will you be my new dad qwert? Your life's knowledge seems to be limitless.

[xelabale]

If you have problem,then you need to solve in your way,but i think that its not right that you deadbeat all games,it will be much proper to send someon your password(to some person who you have trust) and that he can finish your last games.

You mean like, I'm never coming back so here's my password, retire my account in dignity? Hand it over, I'll do it.
/rubs hands in glee/

[Premier2k]

Shame to see you go... we only played one game with each other and that got pretty heated, but hey, shame to leave like this.

Good Luck.

So.......TeamCC's incompent........shut up Prem.....

[azezzo]

ok, over the past few days since this broke, i have asked for clarification on "cyberbullying" and how it pertains to C.C. and have not gotten much of an answer from the mods/administration.

I may not know all the details, i probably dont, but things keep coming back to chaosfactors thread, which andy has since locked

from the original post of it, i quote chaosfactor,

" Times have moved on a tad, and since then I have moved into the city, and in order to shoot someone dead between the eyes, you definitely need more than just a lucky charm. Diplomatic immunity is probably the recipe needed these days, especially now.

So anyhow, if you had a 12 gauge shotgun, combined with the ability to use it without giving a shit, who on this site would you shoot first...


I would definitely plant one between the eyeballs of woodruff and mpjh "

I am a grown man, as I believe woodruff is as well, had my screen name had been there instead of either of theirs, I personally would not feel bullied, nor threatened in any way shape, or form.

I do not know chaosfactor, so I have no personal interest in this, other than saying that if our society now believes that this was a criminal act, then i cant believe it, other than the sad fact that lawyers love this crap, but still common sense must come into play here, somewhere, one would think.
Chaosfactor asked a hypothetical question, he didnt say that he was going to woodrufs house.

and another question i have, other c.c. members in that thread made similar posts naming other individuals, are they guilty of cyberbullying as well, and have they been warned/banned?

I'm nobody around here, but I think this is much ado about nothing, again, I request that andy or the admin/mods would go into clarification on this issue.

[Snorri1234]

If you have problem,

And noone else can help, you should call the

[Balsiefen]

Now go take a long hard look in the mirror before bleating and crying about people you know nothing about. I've done absolutely nothing wrong to Woodruff and I have every right to lash the f*ck out when ignorant crybabies try to accuse me of being some kind of lunatic cyber-stalker, and when they drag my name through the mud for no good reason.

Well, new multi pops up, fairly common thing. Woodruff is a teacher. So he's Mr. Whateverhislastnameis. If said multi was indeed some sort of cyber-stalker, he could have very well found out Woodruff's last name, perhaps even a picture of one of his students. If I were Woodruff, and I saw somebody threatening to shoot me in the face with a 12-gauge on the internet, I would laugh and threaten to fire my orbital lasers at them. If I saw somebody on the internet with my last name as their name, and a picture of one of my students or children as their avatar, then I'd be rather alarmed, and would probably contact the authorities. I realize that this is just speculation, but it certainly sounds plausible.

All too much so I'm afraid. From information on this site, an IP address, a bit of luck concerning which service provider is used and a few completely innocent 3rd party sites it would be perfectly possible to make a threat as serious as Woodruff makes out. I have to say all I lack to do so is the IP address and I have no technical skill whatsoever.

Team CC is gravely letting down it's members if it has refused to fully cooperate with woodruff in his efforts to secure himself.

The only thing that baffles me is why anyone would seriously threaten woodruff-even to scare him off the site. Heated debates there may have been but I don't think any of his opponents would think of such a thing and the average troll wouldn't have the wit or the perseverance.

[AndyDufresne]

We disciplined Chaosfactor for his infraction per the Community Guidelines. Woodruff has not otherwise tried to contact Team CC that I know of.


--Andy

[Strife]

The thing is, we don't know if it was chaosfactors comment that got woodruff scared or not. And we most likely won't get any information from the mods, unless there's a crooked one. The only way to get the information is if the threatener(cyber-bully) comes out from behind his/her internet safety wall and shows their face or if woodruff comes back and shares the information. I'm not sure who brought up the chaosfactor situation, but that was very ignorant of them to jump to a conclusion such as that, now, even if nobody likes the person, they have a sullied name regardless of guilt. In fact he doesn't even get a chance to say, "it wasn't me who ticked him off." I'm not sure if I'm more ashamed of the admins, if I even should be, or the members.

[Snorri1234]

The thing is, we don't know if it was chaosfactors comment that got woodruff scared or not. And we most likely won't get any information from the mods, unless there's a crooked one. The only way to get the information is if the threatener(cyber-bully) comes out from behind his/her internet safety wall and shows their face or if woodruff comes back and shares the information. I'm not sure who brought up the chaosfactor situation, but that was very ignorant of them to jump to a conclusion such as that, now, even if nobody likes the person, they have a sullied name regardless of guilt. In fact he doesn't even get a chance to say, "it wasn't me who ticked him off." I'm not sure if I'm more ashamed of the admins, if I even should be, or the members.

Uhm dude, I don't think anyone cares about sullying chaosfactor's name, especially chaosfactor himself.

[Strife]

The thing is, we don't know if it was chaosfactors comment that got woodruff scared or not. And we most likely won't get any information from the mods, unless there's a crooked one. The only way to get the information is if the threatener(cyber-bully) comes out from behind his/her internet safety wall and shows their face or if woodruff comes back and shares the information. I'm not sure who brought up the chaosfactor situation, but that was very ignorant of them to jump to a conclusion such as that, now, even if nobody likes the person, they have a sullied name regardless of guilt. In fact he doesn't even get a chance to say, "it wasn't me who ticked him off." I'm not sure if I'm more ashamed of the admins, if I even should be, or the members.

Uhm dude, I don't think anyone cares about sullying chaosfactor's name, especially chaosfactor himself.

I'm not saying anyone cares about him. I'm just saying pointing fingers isn't the answer when you don't know who you should actually point at.

[targetman377]

i would agree with you on azzeo on this all the mods do is give us a link to Wikipedia! come on they can do better they should write down there own! definition HERE ON THIS SITE and not link us to a site such as wiki, where anyone can change that sites content.

[GrimReaper.]

We disciplined Chaosfactor for his infraction per the Community Guidelines. Woodruff has not otherwise tried to contact Team CC that I know of.


--Andy

and he probably wont because you guys really fucked up


pardon my french

[azezzo]

i would agree with you on azzeo on this all the mods do is give us a link to Wikipedia! come on they can do better they should write down there own! definition HERE ON THIS SITE and not link us to a site such as wiki, where anyone can change that sites content.

especially since in community guidelines, the administration here has stated the following, and i quote.

Rules, precedents and customs from other communities don't apply.

" * Neither do the By-Laws from the Podunk 3rd district. Believe it or not, Conquer Club is a private business. Just because something works one way in another community does not mean that is how it will work here. We're usually less strict and you can get away with a lot, but that doesn't mean that you can pull the "This is how it works everywhere else" card and expect to get away with it. Really. This is not "everywhere else."

[targetman377]

i would agree with you on azzeo on this all the mods do is give us a link to Wikipedia! come on they can do better they should write down there own! definition HERE ON THIS SITE and not link us to a site such as wiki, where anyone can change that sites content.

especially since in community guidelines, the administration here has stated the following, and i quote.

Rules, precedents and customs from other communities don't apply.

" * Neither do the By-Laws from the Podunk 3rd district. Believe it or not, Conquer Club is a private business. Just because something works one way in another community does not mean that is how it will work here. We're usually less strict and you can get away with a lot, but that doesn't mean that you can pull the "This is how it works everywhere else" card and expect to get away with it. Really. This is not "everywhere else."

i know but then they give us this bull shit come on mods and admin

[AAFitz]

If you did this graciously, and not retaliatory, it would have been much better. Now unfortunately, it seems your main point of the thread is to not explain why you are leaving, but to bash the moderators and the site.

Youre not the first, and you wont be the last, but its a damn shame from my point of view.

I don't think the guy can be blamed for being emotional when someone made a threat to his life. I think you're being a bit severe here and really need to lighten up.

I also think you misrepresent what Woody was saying. He didn't want help in stopping the death threats, he wanted help in "tak[ing] action to work with [him] (see OP)" on the issue. There's a big difference, so you're purposefully obfuscating the point of his argument in order to defend the site and try to turn it around back on him.

That's really low class, man. Don't attack the victim, and I should say, a much bigger damn shame than the damn shame you're accusing Woody of, dammit.

I'm curious to see what the CC response will be. Will it be to attack the victim as you have? Yikes.

Im not attacking the victim. Hes attacking the mods, which he has spent years defending, in a last goodbye, full of drama. To say he has to be so vocal is comical, especially in such a public way.

Im not obfuscating anything. Hes been posting his support for the mods, hes posted against flaming, and now hes flamed the mods, because essentially, in his opinion, they didnt do enough. Believe me, I hope the person giving death threats is dealt with legally, and is held accountable for their insidious crimes, and as I said, woody is doing the right thing by leaving. It would simply be irresponsible to do otherwise. However, it is an emotional response, its aimed at the moderators of a site, and they are powerless to stop some insane kid from making death threats.

He isnt making any argument here, he is simply saying they didn't do enough, and he does so by flaming them, with no facts whatsoever. Hes also accusing team CC of lying through their f*** teeth, before they have responded, and knowing full well they arent about to divulge the details of something like this, for about 1000 good reasons, let alone the rule of not divulging personal information. It is a damn shame, because I know hes better than that, and its simply a damn shame to see.

Mostly however, I hate that the person who made the threats got exactly what he wanted, which wasnt just to see wood get nervous and leave, but even go so far as to bash a site he loved and supported. Yes, it is a damn shame.

[AAFitz]

If you have problem,then you need to solve in your way,but i think that its not right that you deadbeat all games,it will be much proper to send someon your password(to some person who you have trust) and that he can finish your last games.

Actually, if a person does not think they are coming back to the site, then giving out their password would make them a multi, so it would be against the rules to do so.

Only if you know you are coming back can you have an account sitter. And seriously, though I disagree the way this was handled, certainly if he felt threatened, ruining a few games was really not a concern.

I really do feel for the guy, its tragic that he felt fear for his family, and his students, and quite frankly I cant imagine it, except to say that as an employer, you get used to knowing that at some point someone may decide to come get you at any moment. Im sure as a teacher, he has to partially deal with that thought already.

But dead beating the games is hardly a real issue here, especially if there was any credibility to the threats.

[danfrank]

I have seen reference to CC being a private company , this point is irrelevant . CC as an entity has an obligation to preserve individual rights. Regardless of the arena it is broadcasted in or from. I do not know the circumstances behind Woodies situation . Nor do i care to speculate . Theres no doubt in my mind though that he contributed to it. I also believe that CC rules when it comes to particular situations are to vague . This in the long term maybe be detrimental. I also believe that this is the new age of frivilous lawsuits , so all you ambulance chasers that are reading this , should gas up