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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby ode to veeck on Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:09 pm

T7 wrote:
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ahunda wrote:I'm among those who played the classic map almost exclusively. I can't do that here now, and it's pissing me off... All in all I'd rather be here, but not without a classic map to play.


That's how I feel too though I decided maybe it was time to find a chess site to play. After what must be a thousand games on the classic map, I'm so keen for one of my friends to say... "How about a game of Risk?"... but it never seems to happen.

Much more chance of one of my friends pulling out a chess board...



red pawn is one of the better chess sites around and pretty well administered, even through some massive growth server problems a few months back. Once my current set of classic games finish out, I am outa here as the site management response here is just plain unacceptable for a site that has fee based memberships
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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby ode to veeck on Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:11 pm

Neoteny wrote:
Neoteny wrote:The new classic map sucks!


Well, what do you suggest we do about it?


improve the readability of the existing new map within the boundary conditions of perceived copyright issies. The current map GUI is just horrible, and would take little to make dramatic improvements without going back to the world map
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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby Robinette on Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:14 pm

InsomniaRed wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
Incandenza wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
Neoteny wrote:The new classic map sucks!


Well, what do you suggest we do about it?


Fix it dammit!


That's a frighteningly cogent way of describing the situation.


I can just taste the constructive criticism :roll: :P


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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby DukeToshiro on Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:39 pm

Well I quit paying for membership after the horrible way the feedback thing was handled, and now I'm glad. This place needs some new management.


I invite anyone that is upset to simply not renew your membership when it expires. That's what I did, and I still have a lot of fun with the four games I am in. I'm a lot happier when I use this site now that I'm not paying people to screw up the product I payed for.
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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby MajorRT on Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:04 pm

ode to veeck wrote:
T7 wrote:
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ahunda wrote:I'm among those who played the classic map almost exclusively. I can't do that here now, and it's pissing me off... All in all I'd rather be here, but not without a classic map to play.


That's how I feel too though I decided maybe it was time to find a chess site to play. After what must be a thousand games on the classic map, I'm so keen for one of my friends to say... "How about a game of Risk?"... but it never seems to happen.

Much more chance of one of my friends pulling out a chess board...



red pawn is one of the better chess sites around and pretty well administered, even through some massive growth server problems a few months back. Once my current set of classic games finish out, I am outa here as the site management response here is just plain unacceptable for a site that has fee based memberships

also gameknot.com is an excellent chess site, and like CC you can play many games for free...
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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby MajorRT on Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:24 pm

Wow....good read! Prob. what just happened to Lack.....
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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby chogori on Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:55 am

I must also add (though not a paying member), that the greatest mistake was not to inform your customers about the problems in an appropriate manner. If the product your customers have been paying for somehow looses its value/changes a lot, it would be advisable to inform sufficiently about it. This will keep customers happier.

Apart from that, keep up the great work: Lack, Twill and the rest! Death to the crazy copyrights! :P

Off-topic: another GREAT chess site is: chesscube.com. It is still quite a small site, but nonetheless superior to all others that I have seen (IMHO).
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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby ode to veeck on Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:17 am

MajorRT wrote:also gameknot.com is an excellent chess site, and like CC you can play many games for free...


redpawn is also free for up to like 5 active games and unlike conquer club, the red pawn admins and site support have demonstrated great communications and good techie skills when problems arose. one of the best organizational quality metrics is how a biz responds to things when they have problems and conquer club is failing right now
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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby Neoteny on Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:41 am

Robinette wrote:Send this guy to Washington!


I am currently accepting donations.
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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby Free Dirt on Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:38 pm

I may be a noob here, but isn't there supposed to be a "classic" map or something? :?

I remember seeing this game at a friend's house a while back and he was playing on an actual Risk map.
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Classic Map disappearance leaves gap!

Postby professorkimball on Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:20 pm

Without the classic map, the game just does not seem the same. The new map lacks personality. Something needs to be done.
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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby mpjh on Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:56 pm

Yeah, there used to be a "classic" game with a map of the world. Apparently because of legal problems with copyright that game is replaced with the classic maps of which there are two. Try them, you will find the game very enjoyable.
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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby Snorri1234 on Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:59 pm

Neoteny wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
Neoteny wrote:The new classic map sucks!


Well, what do you suggest we do about it?


Fix it dammit!


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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby mightyleemoon on Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:59 pm

So...without having to search through this behemoth...

Is there a thread where people are working on a new map? I'd like to contribute what I can.

Also...what would be the guidelines to avoid the copyright issues? I mean...it's a map of the world...is it the territories that's causing some problems?
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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby jiminski on Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:03 pm

mightyleemoon wrote:So...without having to search through this behemoth...

Is there a thread where people are working on a new map? I'd like to contribute what I can.

Also...what would be the guidelines to avoid the copyright issues? I mean...it's a map of the world...is it the territories that's causing some problems?


sort of .. but it is not certain/unlikely that we will have a new map. Classic Ideas
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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby delahoc on Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:05 pm

mightyleemoon wrote:So...without having to search through this behemoth...

Is there a thread where people are working on a new map? I'd like to contribute what I can.

Also...what would be the guidelines to avoid the copyright issues? I mean...it's a map of the world...is it the territories that's causing some problems?


If only the powers-that-be would let us know what those issues are we could get on with fixing the problem. But so far - nil, nada, zip! Very poor.
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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby william18 on Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:10 pm

Maybe it's because people are putting down the same 200 year old names as hasbro. That blue sam in Jim's link had the right idea.
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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby mpjh on Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:12 pm

delahoc wrote:
mightyleemoon wrote:So...without having to search through this behemoth...

Is there a thread where people are working on a new map? I'd like to contribute what I can.

Also...what would be the guidelines to avoid the copyright issues? I mean...it's a map of the world...is it the territories that's causing some problems?


If only the powers-that-be would let us know what those issues are we could get on with fixing the problem. But so far - nil, nada, zip! Very poor.



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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby mightyleemoon on Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:27 pm

This one is brilliant...

Just add a couple different attacking routes...and I think this is a winner!



3mp3r0r wrote:why not just swap country names about?

like all of australian countries swap with SA countries; peru becomes eastern australia, and that sort of thing :D

Or we could really screw up the names of the countries like this map:

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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby DaGip on Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:44 pm

mightyleemoon wrote:This one is brilliant...

Just add a couple different attacking routes...and I think this is a winner!



3mp3r0r wrote:why not just swap country names about?

like all of australian countries swap with SA countries; peru becomes eastern australia, and that sort of thing :D

Or we could really screw up the names of the countries like this map:

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You can change it up a million, gazillion ways; but the simple fact is that is NOT the "classic" style map.

The simple "Lucky Charm" version is true to "classic" play, because it still retains its original movement and borders with each "territory" or shape. If you add attacking routes and different countries, then you are no longer playing the "classic" map, but instead playing a new map. That's fine, I am all for playing a "new map" but as far as the "classic" style map goes, you have to stick with the "Lucky Charms" version.

It is quite alright after you play a few games on it, I really don't have a problem with it, as long as CC is allowed to stay up and running.
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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby Snively_Sneed on Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:44 pm

Three words: Surface of Mars

Use the topography of Mars; keep the same number of "lands" (or whatever is PC), same "assault" routes, paint it red, and call it "Life on Mars"... And wait for ABC to sue Conquer Club...
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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby DaGip on Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:46 pm

Snively_Sneed wrote:Three words: Surface of Mars

Use the topography of Mars; keep the same number of "lands" (or whatever is PC), same "assault" routes, paint it red, and call it "Life on Mars"... And wait for ABC to sue Conquer Club...


As long as it keeps the attack routes the same as the original "Classic", then I am okay with it.
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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby ode to veeck on Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:10 pm

DaGip wrote:
The simple "Lucky Charm" version is true to "classic" play, because it still retains its original movement and borders with each "territory" or shape. If you add attacking routes and different countries, then you are no longer playing the "classic" map, but instead playing a new map. That's fine, I am all for playing a "new map" but as far as the "classic" style map goes, you have to stick with the "Lucky Charms" version.

It is quite alright after you play a few games on it, I really don't have a problem with it, as long as CC is allowed to stay up and running.


lucky charms sucks in terms of readability. I have missed seeing opponents armies in some diamonds because the shapes are pretty small relative to armies' numbers font and you confuse the colors ocassionally. Lucky Charms if it is our future needs some basic cleanup to be more usable, readable
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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby DaGip on Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:46 pm

ode to veeck wrote:
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The simple "Lucky Charm" version is true to "classic" play, because it still retains its original movement and borders with each "territory" or shape. If you add attacking routes and different countries, then you are no longer playing the "classic" map, but instead playing a new map. That's fine, I am all for playing a "new map" but as far as the "classic" style map goes, you have to stick with the "Lucky Charms" version.

It is quite alright after you play a few games on it, I really don't have a problem with it, as long as CC is allowed to stay up and running.


lucky charms sucks in terms of readability. I have missed seeing opponents armies in some diamonds because the shapes are pretty small relative to armies' numbers font and you confuse the colors ocassionally. Lucky Charms if it is our future needs some basic cleanup to be more usable, readable


Need to put your views into Suggestions/Ideas forum...but I agree that there should be some modifications to suit better game play.
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Re: Crazy Maps And Dice?

Postby mightyleemoon on Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:59 am

DaGip wrote:You can change it up a million, gazillion ways; but the simple fact is that is NOT the "classic" style map.

The simple "Lucky Charm" version is true to "classic" play, because it still retains its original movement and borders with each "territory" or shape. If you add attacking routes and different countries, then you are no longer playing the "classic" map, but instead playing a new map. That's fine, I am all for playing a "new map" but as far as the "classic" style map goes, you have to stick with the "Lucky Charms" version.

It is quite alright after you play a few games on it, I really don't have a problem with it, as long as CC is allowed to stay up and running.


It isn't quite alright....even after a few plays. It's horrid.

The lucky charms version shouldn't have to be stuck with. To say so shows incredible lack of vision.

That map is for total shit. I know I'm not alone when I say....I joined this site to play a game of world domination.....not connect the dots.

This one I quoted is a step in the right direction for visual appeal. With the routes and movements adjusted...it's damn near perfect. (Well...as perfect as the classic was broken....SA should be worth more than AUSSIE...but...that's neither here nor there.)
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