real bad results in c and a (case resolved.)

[Pedronicus]

and i would conclude that Blitz has done a very bad thing indeed,

I would have at least expected him to say he was sorry... that he regrets this whole thing occurred,,, and perhaps even, that if he had it to do over again, he would have done things differently... but apparently not...

Overall, this whole affair makes me quite sad...

Best post of the thread.

[Natascha]

I haven't read this entire thread but I was told what was being said here so decided to stop by and say a few things.Blitz will not be kicked out of THOTA.He and David Wain started the clan and I think it's hilarious FC is even saying something of the sort.This thread imo is a joke and shows how much time certain players on here have.Is this all u have to do on a Saturday afternoon? CC is not all about Blitzaholic so move on people.If u feel that Blitz has done u wrong in some way,foe him and stop all your childish complaints.Like always,have a great day.

BW

I fully agree with BW. This thread is a joke & Blitz has done more for CC in 4 yours then all of you and put lot of effort in keeping up all the great work here.
Loosing games with a teammate was not his fault, can happen to everyone a teammate has to go off for a while due to private issues.

Yes move on & enjoy your day.

[eddie2]

I haven't read this entire thread but I was told what was being said here so decided to stop by and say a few things.Blitz will not be kicked out of THOTA.He and David Wain started the clan and I think it's hilarious FC is even saying something of the sort.This thread imo is a joke and shows how much time certain players on here have.Is this all u have to do on a Saturday afternoon? CC is not all about Blitzaholic so move on people.If u feel that Blitz has done u wrong in some way,foe him and stop all your childish complaints.Like always,have a great day.

BW

I fully agree with BW. This thread is a joke & Blitz has done more for CC in 4 yours then all of you and put lot of effort in keeping up all the great work here.
Loosing games with a teammate was not his fault, can happen to everyone a teammate has to go off for a while due to private issues.

Yes move on & enjoy your day.

rofl he didnt lose the games with his teammate. plz can you read what has happened before you comment. then go check out the last say 3 pages of jobiwans games then say you feel the same. if it was only 1 or 2 games then fair enough but i think you will see a lot more.

[Bones2484]

I fully agree with BW. This thread is a joke & Blitz has done more for CC in 4 yours then all of you and put lot of effort in keeping up all the great work here.
Loosing games with a teammate was not his fault, can happen to everyone a teammate has to go off for a while due to private issues.

Yes move on & enjoy your day.

I think you missed the point entirely. Nice try sticking up for your friend, but he already admitted to breaking the rules in the C&A thread. There's nothing to stick up for.

[KraphtOne]

But when it's THE CONQUEROR using a cooks account to game the points system......exactly what line would he need to cross....or for how long, before it OFFICIALLY goes from "account sitting abuse" to "using multiple accounts"?

Well said my friend, and what i think is lost amongst all of the "blitz is an outstanding player" garbage... is that he has been bending the system for quite a while... before he saw others doing the "create quad and invite low rankers to pard" strategy... he was doing the johnnyrockets/alstergreen method of targeting low ranked players and joining thousands of those games... sure he plays tourney games (with great partners)... but for every 1 tourney game there are 10 games of beating up the system... and it's been that way for years... sure, this is a little more blatant manipulation than before... but what's the difference? these games are just as guaranteed as the thousands of garbage games he played before...


anyway... all hail blitz, best god damned player I've ever seen...

[Woodruff]

when it's THE CONQUEROR using a cooks account to game the points system......exactly what line would he need to cross....or for how long, before it OFFICIALLY goes from "account sitting abuse" to "using multiple accounts"?

Apparently, a lot longer than for folks that the administration doesn't like.

[thegreekdog]

when it's THE CONQUEROR using a cooks account to game the points system......exactly what line would he need to cross....or for how long, before it OFFICIALLY goes from "account sitting abuse" to "using multiple accounts"?

Apparently, a lot longer than for folks that the administration doesn't like.

Like who?*

*Not challenging, just asking.

[Bruceswar]

when it's THE CONQUEROR using a cooks account to game the points system......exactly what line would he need to cross....or for how long, before it OFFICIALLY goes from "account sitting abuse" to "using multiple accounts"?

Apparently, a lot longer than for folks that the administration doesn't like.

Like who?*

*Not challenging, just asking.

I assume he means the C&A mods, who made a ruling against him.

[thegreekdog]

when it's THE CONQUEROR using a cooks account to game the points system......exactly what line would he need to cross....or for how long, before it OFFICIALLY goes from "account sitting abuse" to "using multiple accounts"?

Apparently, a lot longer than for folks that the administration doesn't like.

Like who?*

*Not challenging, just asking.

I assume he means the C&A mods, who made a ruling against him.

Oh, so Woodruff. Thanks. I'll have to look that one up.

[Woodruff]

when it's THE CONQUEROR using a cooks account to game the points system......exactly what line would he need to cross....or for how long, before it OFFICIALLY goes from "account sitting abuse" to "using multiple accounts"?

Apparently, a lot longer than for folks that the administration doesn't like.

Like who?*

*Not challenging, just asking.

I assume he means the C&A mods, who made a ruling against him.

Against me? Not that I'm aware of, no. I've been punished several times, but to my recollection it was always for taking a verbal stick and shoving it up someone's ass. In other words, I well deserved it.

I didn't have a specific individual in mind, actually. I was simply referring to how quickly some folks get banned for multi-use (in a very few cases, even when they're not multis).

Oh, so Woodruff. Thanks. I'll have to look that one up.

Let me know what you find - I'm curious too.

[Bruceswar]

when it's THE CONQUEROR using a cooks account to game the points system......exactly what line would he need to cross....or for how long, before it OFFICIALLY goes from "account sitting abuse" to "using multiple accounts"?

Apparently, a lot longer than for folks that the administration doesn't like.

Like who?*

*Not challenging, just asking.

I assume he means the C&A mods, who made a ruling against him.

Against me? Not that I'm aware of, no. I've been punished several times, but to my recollection it was always for taking a verbal stick and shoving it up someone's ass. In other words, I well deserved it.

I didn't have a specific individual in mind, actually. I was simply referring to how quickly some folks get banned for multi-use (in a very few cases, even when they're not multis).

Oh, so Woodruff. Thanks. I'll have to look that one up.

Let me know what you find - I'm curious too.

Not against you... against blitz... stay on topic

[gannable]

As far as Blitzaholic being the best player on CC

well first of all let me say -
He is a better player than me
and i suck as a player, anybody posting here is better than me. im terrible, total trash as a player


now that's that out of the way

there is something governments have learned since the dawn of man - if you tell a lie often enough eventually everyone is going to repeat it and begin to believe it. (ie OBama is here to give us "hope" and "change")

so, if he's running around these boards promoting himself as the greatest player on CC then its human nature for many people just to believe. and the fact that he is a very good player only makes it much more effective.

[Chariot of Fire]

A good player should have faith in his own ability and not have to use the crutch of playing with a weak player to enhance his point earning potential - that's the whole purpose of the ranking and points system that this site runs on - good players get handicapped. And this statement pertains merely to the practice of farming with a team that is governed by good leadership, i.e. the best player giving directions/suggestions to his team mates, which doesn't contravene any rule of CC.

However what if that good player is in fact controlling the accounts of any of his lesser team mates? The opposition are in effect playing against not one high-ranker but two (yet they wouldn't earn the points they deserve in the event they were to win).

Here's an analogy.....If I play a foursome golf tourney with a partner who is a high handicapper is it fair if I play his shots too? Of course it's not, yet this is the equivalent to what has been going on here.

In my opinion this went beyond sitting someone else's account to the extent where it was actually being controlled. In this respect the perpetrator should bear vicarious liability for the actions (and wrongdoings) that were made on that account.

Instead what seems to have happened is the absent party has born the full brunt of the punishment due to the negligence and scheming of others - a decision that's rather gutless to say the least.

[Fruitcake]

Still no apology from the paragon of virtue Dumper Blitz, and still no statement from deep Throaters.

Interesting when one sees what people really think about the community around them.

[safariguy5]

Inherently, this is the problem with being famous or notorious or however you want to define it. When the best known people on the site screw up, the mistake is examined, and public opinion figures heavily into the lasting effects. This is definitely not the first case of account sitting abuse, nor will it be the last. However, due to the person doing the abuse, it's become magnified and polarized.

If some no name minor league pitcher takes steroids, it's a footnote in the news. But when A-Rod, or Barry, or any other star player takes steroids, it's turned into a media circus with nonstop coverage and invariably people end up taking sides. The important thing here is to ensure that due process is followed and the guidelines are followed.

To the best of my knowledge, this would be a warning under the current C&A guidelines. Whether or not Blitz deserved harsher punishments is a matter of opinion. The guidelines call for a warning, and a warning is what he got. We cannot circumvent the rules to be unduly harsh on someone just the same as we cannot circumvent the rules to be unduly lax on someone. While the battle of public opinion may still rage, I believe that a revisitation of the C&A case is unnecessary and I applaud the mods for having the courage to mete out the right punishment, no matter what people think otherwise.

[eddie2]

well looking at it know it has been 2 weeks since this case was first c and a reported. 5 weeks since jobiwan was actively playing his turns in tourneys (but sounds like that was leolou after his statement in c and a. Where blitz started sitting for him telling leo to stop covering him)

so the ? that needs to be asked was the original pm blitz had recived actually telling him that jobi was quiting the site?????? if not why has it taken this ammount of time and no comment from jobi himself or even any contact with mods to get his account reopened.

[SirSebstar]

not how it works...obviously...its suprising eddie...for a guy who has not much of a life except to be on cc. you really know little of how things are run around here

Shall I just quote LV again eddie? Come on you should know better by now.

also, wtf? I cannot make heads or tails of that line of text of your.
Are you proposing to have an investigation into when blitz got a certain note or not? Even if so, then to what effect, you cannot punish someone more then once for the same thing, and all he would have gotten is the warning, so where does that leave you?

[eddie2]

not how it works...obviously...its suprising eddie...for a guy who has not much of a life except to be on cc. you really know little of how things are run around here

Shall I just quote LV again eddie? Come on you should know better by now.

also, wtf? I cannot make heads or tails of that line of text of your.
Are you proposing to have an investigation into when blitz got a certain note or not? Even if so, then to what effect, you cannot punish someone more then once for the same thing, and all he would have gotten is the warning, so where does that leave you?

sir seb you always come in commenting in most of my threads no i am not asking for that. read what this thread is about mate before you comment.

what i am saying he has been cleared of point dumping or hijacking of account but there has been no response from jobi.

[SirSebstar]

sir seb you always come in commenting in most of my threads

you are welcome, i think

no i am not asking for that.read what this thread is about mate before you comment.

huh? i still dont understand what you are even on about?!

what i am saying he has been cleared of point dumping or hijacking of account but there has been no response from jobi.

yes indeed no. Jobi not responding, how does this change things?

[eddie2]

because only jobi knows if his account has been abused or not.

[SirSebstar]

because only jobi knows if his account has been abused or not.

untrue eddie, and again you should know better.

on the original op's (you) note, I think Blitz did a big Bah on himself and thats a shame. I do think the penalty system shows that it is not as flexiable as I think it was assumed. Still its done, its confirmed, I don't think it will lived down very soon.
See, I can sympathice with you eddie.. I am just very glad you are back after being banned...
now show me you have the capacity for interpunction again, i know you can do it

[Bones2484]

What makes you think Jobi wouldn't stick up for Blitz just like lealou did? They are puppets. They wouldn't do or say anything that Blitz doesn't want them to say.

Just stop it, Eddie. You have a wonderful habit of making your side of the argument worse and hurting the cause you are fighting for.

[eddie2]

What makes you think Jobi wouldn't stick up for Blitz just like lealou did? They are puppets. They wouldn't do or say anything that Blitz doesn't want them to say.

Just stop it, Eddie. You have a wonderful habit of making your side of the argument worse and hurting the cause you are fighting for.

point taken

[Optimus Prime]

Boy I'm glad I wasn't an admin when this case came to light. I probably would have gotten fired as a result.

Regardless, while the escalating system is in place, and I think it is effective a vast majority of the time, I think that in this case there should have been some sort of punishment beyond a warning. It saddens me to think that the ultimate powers around here don't have the smarts to realize that some offenses need to be made examples of for the betterment of the community (although I do readily admit to that being a very subjective ideology, so don't go jumping down my throat).

Personally, I think an appropriate punishment would have been a full point reset for Blitzaholic and a 1 week ban. Sure, due to my unmitigated and often extreme prejudice against Blitzaholic I wish deep down inside that he'd been permanently banned as it would have given me at least one reason to begin enjoying this website again, but that is neither here nor there. Even if you don't want to give him the 1 week ban instead of the warning he should have received a point reset at the very least.

My two cents, hate it, love it, ignore it, it's up to you.

[Woodruff]

Here's an analogy.....If I play a foursome golf tourney with a partner who is a high handicapper is it fair if I play his shots too? Of course it's not, yet this is the equivalent to what has been going on here.

A perfect analogy - well stated.

Instead what seems to have happened is the absent party has born the full brunt of the punishment due to the negligence and scheming of others - a decision that's rather gutless to say the least.

Quite correct. The claim that the escalating system cannot be overturned for a particularly egregious offense is quite honestly a silly one, borne out of illogical thinking. Sometimes, situations are so out-of-the-norm that the standards applied to "the norm" simply cannot apply. One can only conclude then that the site does not consider this to be a particularly egregious offense. Which is interesting, to say the least.

Personally, I think an appropriate punishment would have been a full point reset for Blitzaholic and a 1 week ban. Sure, due to my unmitigated and often extreme prejudice against Blitzaholic I wish deep down inside that he'd been permanently banned as it would have given me at least one reason to begin enjoying this website again, but that is neither here nor there. Even if you don't want to give him the 1 week ban instead of the warning he should have received a point reset at the very least.

The problem with a point reset is that it punishes the point-whores of the site more than it punishes Blitz.