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[qeee1]

He's really just waiting for you to name one player who's left the site over Dug's ban

6 out of 15,000+ active users

have left the site over this issue, I know of only one... but I'm not gonna name names, as I don't want to drag anyone into this.

Name one player who has not renewed over Dug's banning.

It's not about not renewing right now, that was the whole point. The point molacole was trying to make is that the effect won't be seen overnight, but every bad decision does have a negative effect.

Put it this way, without the incident player X was reasonably happy with the site, if he got a series of bad dice rolls tommorow he might just shrug it off and continue playing.

If however his view of the site has been lessened by an incident such as this, he might after getting that same series of rolls, think, what's the point and leave.

[Molacole]

argueing with you is like argueing with a drunk. You don't even understand what you're trying to argue about.



If you can tell me what dug was so pissed off about then I'll respond to you, but until then just move along...

[tahitiwahini]

It's not about not renewing right now, that was the whole point. The point molacole was trying to make is that the effect won't be seen overnight, but every bad decision does have a negative effect.

Perhaps Molacole was trying to make this point (but it got lost when he dumbed himself down to talk to little timmy, which I think turned out not to be such a winning rhetorical device).

Who can argue with the proposition that every bad decision has a negative effect?

But then I'm sure you'll agree with the corollary: every good decision has a positive effect.

So it all turns on whether you think it was a good decision or not. It seems if one believes the (admittedly flawed) polls that the decision is seen by an overwhelming majority as a good one.

I don't suppose we can know how many people would have left the site if Dug had gotten away with his cheating.

And I don't suppose we can know how many people have an extra incentive to stay (and renew) now that it's been demonstrated that cheating does get punished (at least if you do it publicly enough).

My derision is directed specifically at those who proclaimed in ALL CAPS that because Dug was banned they were going to leave in protest. And yet they are still here, quite regular posters to these forums in fact.

When someone says he will do something and then doesn't do it, it tends to reduce the weight I give to his statements going forward.

[JimRocky]

It's not about not renewing right now, that was the whole point. The point molacole was trying to make is that the effect won't be seen overnight, but every bad decision does have a negative effect.

On the flip side, good decisions often have a positive effect. I am of the belief that most will regard the decisions involved here as good decisions.
Even if they don't it's not that important. Often good decisions are misinterpreted by many as bad ones. when in fact they were good ones.

Sometimes there are also negative repercussions to a good decision. We see some of these evident here by the lame crybaby posts from those unable to recognize good decisions. However even with some negative results good decisions remain good decisions.

Now we also see evidence of the fact that bad decisions have negative effects in the whole situation. Some dummy made bad decisions about how to react and act as a player and the negative effect was he got the ban can.

[wicked]

6 out of 15,000+ active users

have left the site over this issue, I know of only one... but I'm not gonna name names, as I don't want to drag anyone into this.

uhh quit trying to twist my words. my post was only 6 players have "signed the petition". I'm still of the belief that we would've lost many more had we not done anything. Who in their right mind would want to play on a site that condones bribery to get ahead? There was no solution that was fair and would've made everyone happy. No matter what we did, people would be upset. It's just a game guys, please don't lose sight of that.

[qeee1]

It's not about not renewing right now, that was the whole point. The point molacole was trying to make is that the effect won't be seen overnight, but every bad decision does have a negative effect.

Perhaps Molacole was trying to make this point (but it got lost when he dumbed himself down to talk to little timmy, which I think turned out not to be such a winning rhetorical device).

Who can argue with the proposition that every bad decision has a negative effect?

But then I'm sure you'll agree with the corollary: every good decision has a positive effect.

So it all turns on whether you think it was a good decision or not. It seems if one believes the (admittedly flawed) polls that the decision is seen by an overwhelming majority as a good one.

I think it was poorly handled, and I think though the majority of people speak in favour in the polls, the majority would speak in favour of lack/the mods regardless of the decision.

Look at people like roger doger though, someone who's donated $1000s to CC, and think if shes disapproving there must be something to it.

And I don't suppose we can know how many people have an extra incentive to stay (and renew) now that it's been demonstrated that cheating does get punished (at least if you do it publicly enough).

Careful with your words... cheating is debatable, but we've been through this. But seriously, do you think many people have that added incentive or that it amounts to much for them? I don't think so.

My derision is directed specifically at those who proclaimed in ALL CAPS that because Dug was banned they were going to leave in protest. And yet they are still here, quite regular posters to these forums in fact.

When someone says he will do something and then doesn't do it, it tends to reduce the weight I give to his statements going forward.

fair enough, but perhaps they are still planning to leave but want to argue their case some more first.

[subjekt]

Honestly I'm not that concerned about it. He keeps whining and 'threatening' to leave CC, but has yet to do so. I cannot resist the irony of the entire situation.

mmm....the smell of fear. I'll compromise. Best of 7 leaves. And Dont worry, I have some partners in mind. Pack your sh*t up sparky, your out of here.

There is no compromise. ONE game, sudden death. Lose you leave.

How is that for fear?

OK....why let the board or dice decide the game, I will say a best of 3 or 5.... If you are serious whatsoever then you will accept that condition...again all participants must be premium members and must honor the LIFETIME BAN from Conquer Club. I am up for it...lets go!

-Sub-

P.S- only thing is that the losing team finishes all prior commitments after the game, only fair to others.Including games and tourneys.

[qeee1]

6 out of 15,000+ active users

have left the site over this issue, I know of only one... but I'm not gonna name names, as I don't want to drag anyone into this.

uhh quit trying to twist my words. my post was only 6 players have "signed the petition". I'm still of the belief that we would've lost many more had we not done anything. Who in their right mind would want to play on a site that condones bribery to get ahead? There was no solution that was fair and would've made everyone happy. No matter what we did, people would be upset. It's just a game guys, please don't lose sight of that.

Apologies, I thought that's what you were saying. When tahitiwahini posed the question how many people have left, and you followed it with that post I quoted. You can see how I made the mistake.

Neither molacole or I are condoning nothing being done btw, but yeah, I'm gonna disappear for a while now, not out to cause trouble, but tahitiwahini's posts annoy me for some reason.

[wicked]

understood. I didn't really explain. I'm not really following these threads, was just bored and popped in to see who had "signed". Didn't even read the posts prior to mine, just read the first post and hit reply.

[tahitiwahini]

argueing with you is like argueing with a drunk. You don't even understand what you're trying to argue about.



If you can tell me what dug was so pissed off about then I'll respond to you, but until then just move along...

Sorry, not interested in what Dug was "so pissed off about." Not interested in knowing why he didn't simply go to his happy place. Dug's anger management skills don't interest me.

Dug peaked my interest when he was caught trying to bribe another player to gain control of his account so that he could throw a game. What interested me about that is it was cheating. My interest was in seeing the cheater got punished. Hopefully in such a way that he would be unable to continue cheating.

My interest was peaked again when he announced after receiving his slap on the wrist for his first conviction that he intended on continuing to cheat by creating fraudulent games in which he intended to "give" his points away to his cronies, and to screw innocent players in the process. I was interested to see whether the site administrators would tolerate that level of cheating. When they didn't I was heartened.

Now, I'm interested in how people can continue to believe that Dug did nothing wrong, certainly nothing to get banned over. It interests me to see what tortured explanation they will offer next to excuse Dug's behavior. Other than that I have no particular interest in Dug. Sorry I just don't find him that fascinating. If you know of someone else who did what Dug did let me know. I'd probably find that interesting as well.

[Molacole]

6 out of 15,000+ active users

have left the site over this issue, I know of only one... but I'm not gonna name names, as I don't want to drag anyone into this.

uhh quit trying to twist my words. my post was only 6 players have "signed the petition". I'm still of the belief that we would've lost many more had we not done anything. Who in their right mind would want to play on a site that condones bribery to get ahead? There was no solution that was fair and would've made everyone happy. No matter what we did, people would be upset. It's just a game guys, please don't lose sight of that.

obviously people would've been pissed off had nothing been done. I would've been pretty pissed off myself. I just don't like how your 4 month forum and PM ban was the final decision.

We both know the whole thing was because of the points system and you banned him from the forums. It wasn't the root of the problem, but yet has been determined so by the mod squad. The guy was pissed off about the points system acted out on it and got banned from the forums and PM's.

OK now tell me what part of that makes sense to you...

[Molacole]

argueing with you is like argueing with a drunk. You don't even understand what you're trying to argue about.



If you can tell me what dug was so pissed off about then I'll respond to you, but until then just move along...

Sorry, not interested in what Dug was "so pissed off about." Not interested in knowing why he didn't simply go to his happy place. Dug's anger management skills don't interest me.

ok well it's about time you admitted that you don't even know what you're argueing about. Move along now little timmy...

[tahitiwahini]

We both know the whole thing was because of the points system and you banned him from the forums.

The point system made Dug do it.

Thank you for bringing that to my attention, first I've heard about it.

Naughty, naughty point system.

I propose we ban the point system from posting in the forums or using PM's for four months.

[wicked]

Molacole, you really have no idea what you're talking about. The only time the mods ever discussed dug before was because he was on probation for feedback abuse, and even that was just me posting a note to that effect. I personaly ignored his rants, because they were just that, rants.

[Molacole]

do you always put yourself out there like this? Doesn't it get embarrassing when your big words can't cover the fact you're so naive and wllingly ignorant? You are a joke!

Dug peaked my interest when he was caught trying to bribe another player to gain control of his account so that he could throw a game. What interested me about that is it was cheating. My interest was in seeing the cheater got punished. Hopefully in such a way that he would be unable to continue cheating.

yes I agree that was a pretty poor decision, but seeing as you don't know why or how things led to this it makes your opinion completely useless.

My interest was peaked again when he announced after receiving his slap on the wrist for his first conviction that he intended on continuing to cheat by creating fraudulent games in which he intended to "give" his points away to his cronies, and to screw innocent players in the process. I was interested to see whether the site administrators would tolerate that level of cheating. When they didn't I was heartened.

heartened? wtf are you kidding me? You knew nothing fromthe background of this topic, but yet it had such and impact on you to refer to it as heartening?

Now, I'm interested in how people can continue to believe that Dug did nothing wrong, certainly nothing to get banned over. It interests me to see what tortured explanation they will offer next to excuse Dug's behavior. Other than that I have no particular interest in Dug. Sorry I just don't find him that fascinating. If you know of someone else who did what Dug did let me know. I'd probably find that interesting as well.

Hardly anyone at all is saying dug shouldn't have been banned. In fact I think most of us can agree to the 1 simple thing that SOMETHING had to be done. It just seems to be a problem with what was decided for a punishment.

You have no idea what happened or why so let me explain to you...

Dug was pissed about how the scoring system works. How it doesn't reflect a persons skill or actual standing on the scoreboard. How it needs to stop replicating that of chess game communities and needs it'sown unique scoring system for such a unique and unmatchable game.

So dug tries to sabotage the scoring system and they banned him from the forums and PM's! Big fucking surprise when he continued to do what he was doing right guys? Yeah I bet you were all like wow he was trying to sabotage the scoring system, we didn't acknowledge that so we banned him from the forums and blamed it to be the source of the problem. Then OMG how did he continue to keep trying to sabotage the scoring system when we banned him from the forums.

Like you weren't egging him on while giving him the right to continue sabotaging the system. If you gave a shit you would've banned him from the site for a couple of weeks and personally sent him a messege explaining why. Instead you ban him from the forums and he wont be able to complain about points being so fucked up anymore.


So now after knowing what is going on do YOU think a forum ban made any fucking sense at all?

[Molacole]

Molacole, you really have no idea what you're talking about. The only time the mods ever discussed dug before was because he was on probation for feedback abuse, and even that was just me posting a note to that effect. I personaly ignored his rants, because they were just that, rants.

When did I mention anything about the mods discussing dug prior to this incident? You're right though I don't have any idea what you're talkign about...

[Beastly]

Hey mods i think i get what all these players are saying now...

If I have a problem with any part of this site, then I should be allowed to lie, cheat and steal not to mention bribe and threaten anybody I want to.

[Molacole]

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[tahitiwahini]

Like you weren't egging him on while giving him the right to continue sabotaging the system.

Now I'm a bit confused. I understood that the point system made Dug do it.

Now it sounds like Dug was trying to sabotage the point system.

Did Dug try to sabotage the point system before or after it made him do it?

Or did the point system egg Dug on to sabotage itself?

I may have been wrong all along, this thing sounds so much more complicated when you explain it Molacole. I thought it was simply the case of a cheater being caught and banned. I didn't realize how deep this thing went. For instance, I had no idea about the egging. None at all.

We need to get to the bottom of this.

If the point system really did egg Dug on to sabotage itself then this changes everything....

BTW Molacole, I thnk you missed a few emoticons. Not to worry, you can always go back and add them to your post.

[wicked]

We both know the whole thing was because of the points system and you banned him from the forums.

That's what I responding to Mola... you seemed to have thought we were out to get dug for disagreeing with the points system. That couldn't be further from the truth.

[Molacole]

Like you weren't egging him on while giving him the right to continue sabotaging the system.

Now I'm a bit confused. I understood that the point system made Dug do it.

naturally you're confused yet again... Let me fix your sentence so if better reflects what you're saying...

Now I'm always a bit confused, but I was assuming the points system made dug do it.

*off topic- How can somebody with such a nice vocabulary like yourself have such a misunderstanding of the words you choose? Stop trying so hard because you're making yourself look silly.

[IronE.GLE]

Honestly I'm not that concerned about it. He keeps whining and 'threatening' to leave CC, but has yet to do so. I cannot resist the irony of the entire situation.

mmm....the smell of fear. I'll compromise. Best of 7 leaves. And Dont worry, I have some partners in mind. Pack your sh*t up sparky, your out of here.

There is no compromise. ONE game, sudden death. Lose you leave.

How is that for fear?

OK....why let the board or dice decide the game, I will say a best of 3 or 5.... If you are serious whatsoever then you will accept that condition...again all participants must be premium members and must honor the LIFETIME BAN from Conquer Club. I am up for it...lets go!

-Sub-

P.S- only thing is that the losing team finishes all prior commitments after the game, only fair to others.Including games and tourneys.

I don't know who you are why you are even responding to this challenge. I suppose if you are worrywort's partner and want to share his fate, then be my guest. However I cannot and will not speak for anyone who may be my partner. I'm willing to leave CC for life if I lose, and since worrywort wants my blood, then that should be enough. Besides, I'm worth 10 of you jackasses.

With that said, the deal is ONE game. One game because I'm not going to waste much time with organized stupidity apologists. If you cannot handle the situation, I would suggest backing away quietly and keeping your mouth shut.

[Molacole]

We both know the whole thing was because of the points system and you banned him from the forums.

That's what I responding to Mola... you seemed to have thought we were out to get dug for disagreeing with the points system. That couldn't be further from the truth.

no not at all... I can only guess what the mod squad discusses. For a moment it did slightly portray such, BUT I can't honestly as of right now say I think it has anything to do with anything prior to what happened...

I just can't understand his punishment and that is all any of this is about. Not once did I post about this topic (that I remember) until I saw the decision that was made in andys' post

I just don't see the point in banning somebody from the forums for 4 months when they were trying to sabotage the points system along with blitzs points because he is on top.

You had to know dug was going to get pissed and act out once you took away his right to participate with the community other than directly in games. How many people do you think would want to continue playing here once you took away their right to use forums and PMs.

I understand it was a punishment, but forums weren't the cause of it. Yes PMs' played a roll in it and I understand lock PM's lock forums together only problem. I just think there should've been a different outcome and it pisses me off to see a good player gone because of something that could've been avoided by a 2 week ban or something similar. That 4 month isolation ban isn't a justifiable punishment.

[AK_iceman]

We did a 4 month forum ban because the PM ban is attached to that.
Dugcarr was using PM's to cheat and bribe other players, and so to ban him from PM's we had to ban him from the forum also. Blame phpBB.

[Molacole]

I understand it was a punishment, but forums weren't the cause of it. Yes PMs' played a roll in it and I understand lock PM's lock forums together only problem.


that is from the post above yours...