t-o-m

[foregone]

i know for a fact owen lets all his warnings filter out of his inbox

mention number 45 for me in this thread, despite the thread being about t-o-m!!! wow...-0

No one can help but talk about about you, owen. You're so popular.

On topic. It seems that theres a slight disparity in the enforcement of these bannable offences. There are considerably worse infractors than tom that roam around and while his behaviour isn't exactly blemish free he does at least contribute meaningfully at the same time. There are others who contribute nada and behave considerably worse than what he's been hanged for.

[owenshooter]

now, let's gets this back on topic. i think it was outlined quite well by Twill-dawg and it seems as if t-o-m had the opportunity (as i have) to modify his behaviour to fit into the new sanitized version of the GD...

Hello t-o-m, Your account has been issued a Forum Ban, which prevents posting in the forum and accessing private messages.
Comment from Moderator (Twill): T-o-m You've had more warnings than anyone should have had. You've nickle and dime'd your way into a forum ban one little problem at a time. Over the last few days your posts have been nothing but spam, flames, baiting or aggression and while you have contributed a fair bit over your time here, you have also been an overall negative influence on the site. You are as of now permanently banned form the forums, and all associated features (yes, this included PMs). We gave you plenty of chances and told you exactly where you could improve, but you chose to ignore them. There is no buy back from this, you had your chance.
Sorry mate. Regards,The Conquer Club

i hate to see someone go, especially someone that contributes and is from time to time very funny... however, he was given an opportunity to modify his behaviour, and he failed to do so. i for one am going to go into my backyard and pour a 40 on the ground for my homey...-0

p.s.-courtney, know that made you pee your pants!

[Qwert]

I dont know what T-O-M did to be permabanned,but i read hes Madagascar map topic in MAp Foundry who is in stage FF(very close to be quenched) ,and i dont see any spam there.
I think that if these possible give hem free acces to these topic(hes topic where he create Madagascar map),to finish map. I think that nobody will have any against that.

[driskmaster]

Having done quite alot for the Conquer Club Community myself, I would very much like to speak with Twill to try and resolve this matter. t-o-m has done a great deal of good for this community and the good he has done far out weights the few negative posts he has made! Im inclined to believe that there is another angle here becuase i have seen far worse spammers and negative people than t-o-m himself.

[RjBeals]

I think Tom will have to communicate via email with someone who is willing to take over the thread. From his thread, it looks like wcaclimbing might be willing to take that on. Here's Toms map that was nearly ready for live play:

Click image to enlarge.

[Frop]

Having done quite alot for the Conquer Club Community myself, I would very much like to speak with Twill to try and resolve this matter. t-o-m has done a great deal of good for this community and the good he has done far out weights the few negative posts he has made! Im inclined to believe that there is another angle here becuase i have seen far worse spammers and negative people than t-o-m himself.

Are you on drugs? 11 posts and no tournament or map medals, what exactly have you done for the community? I smell multi.

[hulmey]

Having done quite alot for the Conquer Club Community myself, I would very much like to speak with Twill to try and resolve this matter. t-o-m has done a great deal of good for this community and the good he has done far out weights the few negative posts he has made! Im inclined to believe that there is another angle here becuase i have seen far worse spammers and negative people than t-o-m himself.

Are you on drugs? 11 posts and no tournament or map medals, what exactly have you done for the community? I smell multi.

No multi here Frop, just good olde Hulmey on his sister's account. Cheating forums is that way if you wish to report but lets keep on topic for once

t-o-m has probably done more for this Community on his little finger than most of you have that have posted here. He recently made those sigs for the Legends of War Clan even though they are his clans competition. He has made maps, made Tournaments and also linked all the playing strategies on one page to help noobs out this was then stickied by Twill). Recently, The Untouchables opened up part of its forums to the Conquer Club masses and we had a visitor in the way of IPH who tried to get his blog out. Without me asking t-o-m had already censored the important words!

I really do think that Twill has got it wrong, some of you may not care and say yeah he should be punished! And yes I agree, 3 months or 6 months but Permanently!!! Doesnt CC management think people can change? For godsake's Klobber who has only done BAD for this site got 6 months! Where is people's christian spirit? CC has tried to promote a positive spirit at CC and recently it was succeeding. I wish to believe i helped in some small way!(Spread the Epidemic). I now feel that they maybe its not the cc community being negative but the management themselves!

With that said The Untouchable's Clan and its 55 active members will try and negotiate with The CC Admin to try and get tom's sentence reduced. Please visit the below link to try and show your support for this great lad.

http://theuntouchablesclan.freeforums.o ... -t555.html

[Natewolfman]

Having done quite alot for the Conquer Club Community myself, I would very much like to speak with Twill to try and resolve this matter. t-o-m has done a great deal of good for this community and the good he has done far out weights the few negative posts he has made! Im inclined to believe that there is another angle here becuase i have seen far worse spammers and negative people than t-o-m himself.

Are you on drugs? 11 posts and no tournament or map medals, what exactly have you done for the community? I smell multi.

keep it on topic lol, good conversation in here aside from a few side trecks, id hate to see a mod lock it cuz I also like to see others opinions here

[yeti_c]

Dammit - and I almost took t-o-m's bet of him being perma banned by October.

Still - I told him he was close to the line - and he said he would behave this time... I guess he couldn't help himself.

C.

[Twill]

Let me clear up a few "misconceptions" here, because t-o-m (or someone) seems to be creating quite a few of them:

Tom had a sig ban, a rickrolling ban, trolling, flaming out of flame wars, porn in chat, 2 for flaming in chat, and his last *formal* warning, less than a month ago, clearly said (amongst other things)

You've had plenty of warnings already. Push it if you want and see where it goes, but the next time it goes anywhere, it's going away forever with no buy back, no 27th chances and no begging.

since then we have spoken a couple of times via PM where he swears he will change, but never does.

He was given at least one formal warning before he got any of the bans, and chose to ignore them all. And no, he didn't get a 3 month ban, he got that final warning instead, would you have preferred I skipped the warning and went straight to a 3 month ban? We gave him the benefit of the doubt then, and he chose to piss it down the drain.

Yes, he had lots of contributions to the site, and that's why he got more chances than most people do.
Sure, some people liked him (I've counted about 4 people consistently defending him here) but he crossed the lines plain and simple.

Timmy, if you think that baiting is ok, perhaps this isn't the forum for you.
Hecter, Beals, qwert - yes, t-o-m had a good map going, but just because you have a good map does not mean you are immune to the rest of the rules. It's a shame that he put in so much work and then chose to push the bounds when he knew it would get him in trouble.

T-o-m got a permanant forum ban because, despite numerous warnings and chances, he simply got worse. There's no reason to believe that a 6 month ban would make any difference - if he didn't think we were serious when we said "it's going away forever" or after 7 previous bans, then he's got to re-asses what he thinks is serious.

It's a shame, indeed, but we didn't post for him, he did that himself.

Twill.

This doesn't seem to be going anywhere much, and it's turning into a spam/bait fest, so either lets have an actual discussion on t-o-m's ban (really don't know what that would look like, he clearly broke the rules on numerous times, had numerous warnings and numerous prior bans and chances) or it will get locked.

[Qwert]

twilli
Hecter, Beals, qwert - yes, t-o-m had a good map going, but just because you have a good map does not mean you are immune to the rest of the rules.

Maybe you dont read what i write. Why you can alove hem,only to have acces in hes MAdagascar topic,so he can finish map,from what i see and what i read in these topic,hes behaviour is quit normal, and if these possible,then you shoul alove these. Because i think that is not fair that be permabaned from all forums. Reconsider these option,what can bad to bring,its only can be bad for hem not to rest of people,and he can finish hes map. These is all what i say,and i dont defending tom.

[Natewolfman]

twilli
Hecter, Beals, qwert - yes, t-o-m had a good map going, but just because you have a good map does not mean you are immune to the rest of the rules.

Maybe you dont read what i write. Why you can alove hem,only to have acces in hes MAdagascar topic,so he can finish map,from what i see and what i read in these topic,hes behaviour is quit normal, and if these possible,then you shoul alove these. Because i think that is not fair that be permabaned from all forums. Reconsider these option,what can bad to bring,its only can be bad for hem not to rest of people,and he can finish hes map. These is all what i say,and i dont defending tom.

I dont think its possible to allow acess to only 1 thread or even 1 forum... though i could be wrong

[Qwert]

I dont think its possible to allow acess to only 1 thread or even 1 forum... though i could be wrong

So if your behavior is ok in all forum,except one,then you will be banned from all, These is very unfair rule. These rule definitly need to change,because people very dificulty react in diferent forums. Some people is very pleasant in map foundry,and when you come to flame war,you can not recognised these same person.

[Natewolfman]

I dont think its possible to allow acess to only 1 thread or even 1 forum... though i could be wrong

So if your behavior is ok in all forum,except one,then you will be banned from all, These is very unfair rule. These rule definitly need to change,because people very dificulty react in diferent forums. Some people is very pleasant in map foundry,and when you come to flame war,you can not recognised these same person.

what i mean is, i dont think its possible tech wise... I dont think the system will allow acess to only 1 forum and ban from the others, otherwise i think we would have seen the mods useing it by this time

[hulmey]

I dont think its possible to allow acess to only 1 thread or even 1 forum... though i could be wrong

So if your behavior is ok in all forum,except one,then you will be banned from all, These is very unfair rule. These rule definitly need to change,because people very dificulty react in diferent forums. Some people is very pleasant in map foundry,and when you come to flame war,you can not recognised these same person.

what i mean is, i dont think its possible tech wise... I dont think the system will allow acess to only 1 forum and ban from the others, otherwise i think we would have seen the mods useing it by this time

Yes it is possible ...But alot more effort and fiddling around is needed!!

[Twill]

Yes, it is possible, but we don't use it because once you start per-forum bans and vacations, it blurs that line between acceptable and not even more -

I flamed a lot over here, but only a little over there, so why not let me stay over there...I wont flame any more...reeeeallly I wont.

Yes, it is a shame that t-o-m put in all that effort and wont be able to finish the map, but that was part of his choice. Hopefully he can find someone to take on the development of it, but his map does not give him special rights to break the rules, nor does it give him special concessions once he does break them.

Twill

[hulmey]

Let me clear up a few "misconceptions" here, because t-o-m (or someone) seems to be creating quite a few of them:

Tom had a sig ban, a rickrolling ban, trolling, flaming out of flame wars, porn in chat, 2 for flaming in chat, and his last *formal* warning, less than a month ago, clearly said (amongst other things)

You've had plenty of warnings already. Push it if you want and see where it goes, but the next time it goes anywhere, it's going away forever with no buy back, no 27th chances and no begging.

since then we have spoken a couple of times via PM where he swears he will change, but never does.

He was given at least one formal warning before he got any of the bans, and chose to ignore them all. And no, he didn't get a 3 month ban, he got that final warning instead, would you have preferred I skipped the warning and went straight to a 3 month ban? We gave him the benefit of the doubt then, and he chose to piss it down the drain.

Yes, he had lots of contributions to the site, and that's why he got more chances than most people do.
Sure, some people liked him (I've counted about 4 people consistently defending him here) but he crossed the lines plain and simple.

Timmy, if you think that baiting is ok, perhaps this isn't the forum for you.
Hecter, Beals, qwert - yes, t-o-m had a good map going, but just because you have a good map does not mean you are immune to the rest of the rules. It's a shame that he put in so much work and then chose to push the bounds when he knew it would get him in trouble.

T-o-m got a permanant forum ban because, despite numerous warnings and chances, he simply got worse. There's no reason to believe that a 6 month ban would make any difference - if he didn't think we were serious when we said "it's going away forever" or after 7 previous bans, then he's got to re-asses what he thinks is serious.

It's a shame, indeed, but we didn't post for him, he did that himself.

Twill.

This doesn't seem to be going anywhere much, and it's turning into a spam/bait fest, so either lets have an actual discussion on t-o-m's ban (really don't know what that would look like, he clearly broke the rules on numerous times, had numerous warnings and numerous prior bans and chances) or it will get locked.

I believe warnings in chat and forums should remain separate and should not be confused. Yes, he has had a few warnings for minor things but the good he has done for the community hugely outweighs the bad. If you cant see this then you arent fit to be the Community Manager at CC! In light of this a good hard 6 month or 1 year ban would have been adequate. The actual people vouching him shows what a lovable and helpful character tom is and that this Permanent ban will only harm the community and not make it stronger in light of the recent negativity around here. Again a time out would have been alot better. Dont forget tom is only 17 or 18 and does not have wisdom and maturity of age like you do.
Yes you didnt post for him but lets try and guide him to the best of our ability. A lengthy ban would have shown tom that CC means business but will also try and guide him and will show the masses that CC does indeed have a heart and a great communtiy here.

I for one after trying to give CC the benefit of the doubt am near losing hope with it forums and policies. Everywhere you look there seems to be negativity, fewer posts, crappy debates and lets not talk about general!

[Qwert]

Twili
Yes, it is a shame that t-o-m put in all that effort and wont be able to finish the map, but that was part of his choice. Hopefully he can find someone to take on the development of it, but his map does not give him special rights to break the rules, nor does it give him special concessions once he does break them.

Twill

Twill,i dont know what TOm do in other forum,if something very bad,then ok permabanned. But i spend so much time in MAp Forum,maybe more then you,and i realy can not find any so bad thing in MAp Forum,what will give TOM permabanned from these forum(i will be first to announce such behavior,but we have Map Forum who watch these), so if these possible(and you say that these is possible),then you must alove hem to have acces in Map forum. I belive that he can be usefull in map forum.

Or maybe aim wrong and maybe i dont notice these same bad behaviour in MAp forum.
Please speak with ANdy,Gimil,OAktown what they thinking of TOM behaviour in map forum,after all they best know.

[sam_levi_11]

why not bring him back on the a part where 1 abusive post = perma ban, but just let him finish his map. He must have spent months on that, but you must have spent 1 minute in total getting rid of those 8 posts!

[InkL0sed]

Oh yes, by the way, out of curiosity: Where is the supposed straw that broke the camel's back? I saw no flaming or spamming from t-o-m recently.

I haven't seen an answer to this question.

[lancehoch]

So, there have been some unanswered questions which I will try to address.

@qwert: CC does not ban someone from a specific forum. CC does not ban someone from all forums except the foundry. This has been said before. t-o-m may have behaved inside the foundry, but he was crossing the line in the other forum areas.

@sam_levi_11: Twill had told t-o-m in the past that he had his last warning. People cannot keep receiving last warnings over and over or it means nothing. t-o-m apparently thought the last "last warning" meant nothing and now he is gone.

@InkL0sed: I had to ask Twill about this, because I had not seen any of t-o-m's recent posts. Apparently it was less the case of a single post and more the case of a general trend.

[hulmey]

So, there have been some unanswered questions which I will try to address.

@qwert: CC does not ban someone from a specific forum. CC does not ban someone from all forums except the foundry. This has been said before. t-o-m may have behaved inside the foundry, but he was crossing the line in the other forum areas.

@sam_levi_11: Twill had told t-o-m in the past that he had his last warning. People cannot keep receiving last warnings over and over or it means nothing. t-o-m apparently thought the last "last warning" meant nothing and now he is gone.

@InkL0sed: I had to ask Twill about this, because I had not seen any of t-o-m's recent posts. Apparently it was less the case of a single post and more the case of a general trend.

tom was only banned for 3 days once and now its permanent..wheres the middle ground?

[KoE_Sirius]

i'm more shocked that his clan still hasn't fixed the mega-goof spelling error in their clan sig...-0

Which clan are you referring too? He was in about 10.
I liked t-o-m. I never saw any aggressive or nasties post from him.
Goodluck m8

[hecter]

This doesn't seem to be going anywhere much, and it's turning into a spam/bait fest, so either lets have an actual discussion on t-o-m's ban (really don't know what that would look like, he clearly broke the rules on numerous times, had numerous warnings and numerous prior bans and chances) or it will get locked.

You guys shouldn't be doing ANYTHING in terms of locking threads or banning people for spam until you define it! How many times must we ask?

[Frop]

This doesn't seem to be going anywhere much, and it's turning into a spam/bait fest, so either lets have an actual discussion on t-o-m's ban (really don't know what that would look like, he clearly broke the rules on numerous times, had numerous warnings and numerous prior bans and chances) or it will get locked.

You guys shouldn't be doing ANYTHING in terms of locking threads or banning people for spam until you define it! How many times must we ask?

Why is it that everybody is being so anal when it comes to following some simple unwritten rules? It's like the lot of you chucked common sense out of the window when the internet came around.