PERMABANS (though you did not know it!)

[xelabale]

1 word for you - context

there are certain words that you fully know are so offensive they are not needed within context to be offensive. perhaps that is why they are auto edited when typed here on the site. don't even try to act as if the mere act of typing the N word is not offensive to a person of colour, it belittles your intelligence. again, it should be auto-edited just like the other highly offensive words that are auto-edited. this is beyond sad. i love how someone that has never walked a mile in my shoes can tell me how i should and shouldn't be offended by the most offensive word you can use towards a person of my ethnic background. you sir, should talk about things you know about, not things you THINK you know about...-0

p.s.-xelable, how about finishing your entire thought process before posting? that way, you won't triple and quadruple post. just a friendly word of advice... two triple posts in one thread, impressive... let some other people speak for awhile...

I'm sure we were typing at the same time - read my post above.

I'm answering 3 people at once hence 3 posts. Sorry it too offends you. Maybe if you hadn't been so sarcastic in answering my first post where you completely failed to be offended by my words, we wouldn't be having this ridiculous discussion now.

[Night Strike]

why do you not get that reading the "N" word or any other racist comment directed towards another race, is highly offensive to people of that origin? why is the "N" word not blanked out like the "F" word is? i will go out on a limb and say that one is far more offensive than the other.

this is just appalling that within a thread on bigotry, we have now had an admin not understand that Nshooter was a racist comment directed towards me (the member received zero punishment other than a warning and his post edited), and a very good moderator declare, by posting, that the "N" word is not offensive (and he posted the damn word!). this is one of the most ludicrous things i have seen on this site! i am not overly sensitive, i am just TIRED of continually reading racist and bigoted garbage on this site on a regular basis, as evidenced by this thread.

Owen, you just proved my point. I said a word, but that word was not in a racial context. But as soon as you saw that word, you freaked out over it. Words are just words until they are in a context. I would never say anything racist on here.....I'm not that type of person and would be kicked off Team CC. And you know that. The way I see it, you're only offended because you choose to be offended. I saw a word that can be offensive, but it was in no way directed in an offensive manner, muchless toward anyone, like yourself.

EDIT: Using the censor forum feature is a good idea.

[owenshooter]

Maybe if you hadn't been so sarcastic in answering my first post where you completely failed to be offended by my words, we wouldn't be having this ridiculous discussion now.

i wasn't being sarcastic. i stated there is a place called C&A where things are reported that are against the rules. that was not sarcasm, that is a fact. that is where i report all the racist and bigoted things i come across... posts, avatars, sigs, usernames, etc... it wasn't sarcasm, it is simply where these things are handled...-0

[owenator]

I think xelabale has some very valid points, and they are only further validated when owen reports them. A word is just a word until it was put into a context. In the context, he said nothing racist; he just used a word that can be used in a racial context. If I say "I just took a shit", I'm not flaming anyone; if I say "You are a piece of shit", then I'm flaming the recipient. Words and comments are always about the context, which is why I won't be warning xelabale for what he said. Just saying the word "nigger" is not racist: using it in a derogatory manner is.

What?!! Using the word "nigger" is absolutely racist. It was created for that sole purpose. Along the way, it's been used so much that it has become more accepted, which is why it seems acceptable when two black people say it to each other. Is it tolerable? Perhaps, in some people's views but not in mine. Being called a "chink" by even another asian, I would not tolerate. You may be entitled to your opinion, but when you this is an issue where it get's personal, one might consider choosing their words more carefully.

CC cannot police the whole language - which is inherently male-biased and full of religious connotation. Deconstructivism is at best controversial, and is way beyond the remit of this site. If you genuinely think I was being racist in my first post - or any others - pm me and I'll happily discuss it with you, but let's not ruin this thread.

1 word for you - context

You wrote:

Ah owenshooter, as unhelpful as ever in a genuinely interesting conversation.

Who decides what constitutes bigotry big boy? What about positive discrimination? Should xenophobia be included - "Bloody Canadians" Bam, 1 week ban? "Owen's gay" - no no, I meant happy! "Ladies first" - oh er, is that sexist? What about areas where the racism may not be overt but does still exist.

You may think it's trivial owenshooter but these are real issues that can easily end up leaving everyone upset and pissed off, which I'm sure you agree is not a good idea. A clear set of unambiguous comprehensive guidelines is always - always - a good idea. If you want to take the time to write them I applaud you, I'm simply suggesting borrowing extant ones from a trusted source. Thanks for your help with the pretty little buttons at the top of the screen though.

If you want to be taken more seriously then stop whining and attacking others ideas (trolling is against the guidelines too) and engage in debate.

I read your post. Your examples were terrible. Do I take offense to it? No - because otherwise you would have certainly seen a PM from me, and what I thought of you. I didn't call you a racist. But, what I did say was that it appears you are baiting owenshooter to an argument. I have remained entirely on-topic, but it appears that you seem to have a knack for baiting people into an argument with your words. "Context"? Perhaps in Bizarro world, using racial slurs such as "nigger", "chink", "Nshooter", etc. is acceptable, but not in mine. There is NO proper context for these words to be used. It's as easy for me to say 'well, you're white - so you have no clue'...I'm sure that would spark a fire. I am merely saying that people such as owenshooter and myself (and many others) have suffered and endured much racial discrimination, there certainly is no place for that anywhere. This is where we want to have complete anonymity, without any discrimination regardless of age, race, or sex and be able to enjoy friendly banter and competition.

[whitestazn88]

oh my god... you guys are ridiculous... especially lockstick, the mod who would ban someone for posting a link to youtube because youtube has links on their site to over 18 material? how can you say that the n-word in and of itself does not bring racially charged contexts?

you're a dipshit.

[xelabale]

You wrote:

Ah owenshooter, as unhelpful as ever in a genuinely interesting conversation.

Who decides what constitutes bigotry big boy? What about positive discrimination? Should xenophobia be included - "Bloody Canadians" Bam, 1 week ban? "Owen's gay" - no no, I meant happy! "Ladies first" - oh er, is that sexist? What about areas where the racism may not be overt but does still exist.

You may think it's trivial owenshooter but these are real issues that can easily end up leaving everyone upset and pissed off, which I'm sure you agree is not a good idea. A clear set of unambiguous comprehensive guidelines is always - always - a good idea. If you want to take the time to write them I applaud you, I'm simply suggesting borrowing extant ones from a trusted source. Thanks for your help with the pretty little buttons at the top of the screen though.

If you want to be taken more seriously then stop whining and attacking others ideas (trolling is against the guidelines too) and engage in debate.

I read your post. Your examples were terrible. Do I take offense to it? No - because otherwise you would have certainly seen a PM from me, and what I thought of you. I didn't call you a racist. But, what I did say was that it appears you are baiting owenshooter to an argument. I have remained entirely on-topic, but it appears that you seem to have a knack for baiting people into an argument with your words. "Context"? Perhaps in Bizarro world, using racial slurs such as "nigger", "chink", "Nshooter", etc. is acceptable, but not in mine. There is NO proper context for these words to be used. It's as easy for me to say 'well, you're white - so you have no clue'...I'm sure that would spark a fire. I am merely saying that people such as owenshooter and myself (and many others) have suffered and endured much racial discrimination, there certainly is no place for that anywhere. This is where we want to have complete anonymity, without any discrimination regardless of age, race, or sex and be able to enjoy friendly banter and competition.

This is indeed my second post. Please quote owen's response to my first too for complete context.

I have repeated my idea that we should use extant guidelines from another organisation several times in the course of this discussion yet I don't see an on-topic response to this from you.

[owenshooter]

Owen, you just proved my point.

: Using the censor forum feature is a good idea.

NS, you should never use the word, period. it is offensive, no context needed.
on CC it is used to offend and bait, period.

and yes, the censor forum feature is a good idea....

NS, you are still my favorite...-0

[xelabale]

oh my god... you guys are ridiculous... especially lockstick, the mod who would ban someone for posting a link to youtube because youtube has links on their site to over 18 material? how can you say that the n-word in and of itself does not bring racially charged contexts?

you're a dipshit.

Did you read my post?

[whitestazn88]

oh my god... you guys are ridiculous... especially lockstick, the mod who would ban someone for posting a link to youtube because youtube has links on their site to over 18 material? how can you say that the n-word in and of itself does not bring racially charged contexts?

you're a dipshit.

Did you read my post?

i don't really read what you say because its never interesting or intelligent.

[Gypsys Kiss]

oh my god... you guys are ridiculous... especially lockstick, the mod who would ban someone for posting a link to youtube because youtube has links on their site to over 18 material? how can you say that the n-word in and of itself does not bring racially charged contexts?

you're a dipshit.

Did you read my post?

i don't really read what you say because its never interesting or intelligent.

Then dont comment...................

[whitestazn88]

oh my god... you guys are ridiculous... especially lockstick, the mod who would ban someone for posting a link to youtube because youtube has links on their site to over 18 material? how can you say that the n-word in and of itself does not bring racially charged contexts?

you're a dipshit.

Did you read my post?

i don't really read what you say because its never interesting or intelligent.

Then dont comment...................

i'm commenting on the topic. i'm not commenting on what your butt-buddy xelabale is writing.

[xelabale]

oh my god... you guys are ridiculous... especially lockstick, the mod who would ban someone for posting a link to youtube because youtube has links on their site to over 18 material? how can you say that the n-word in and of itself does not bring racially charged contexts?

you're a dipshit.

Did you read my post?

i don't really read what you say because its never interesting or intelligent.

Then thanks for your contribution to a discussion you are not involved in and show great disdain for. Goodbye.

[Gypsys Kiss]

oh my god... you guys are ridiculous... especially lockstick, the mod who would ban someone for posting a link to youtube because youtube has links on their site to over 18 material? how can you say that the n-word in and of itself does not bring racially charged contexts?

you're a dipshit.

Did you read my post?

i don't really read what you say because its never interesting or intelligent.

Then dont comment...................

i'm commenting on the topic. i'm not commenting on what your butt-buddy xelabale is writing.

How can you expect to have a resolution to all this with comments like that? Doesnt that come under agressive homophobia. Do you feel threatened?

[owenator]

You wrote:

Ah owenshooter, as unhelpful as ever in a genuinely interesting conversation.

Who decides what constitutes bigotry big boy? What about positive discrimination? Should xenophobia be included - "Bloody Canadians" Bam, 1 week ban? "Owen's gay" - no no, I meant happy! "Ladies first" - oh er, is that sexist? What about areas where the racism may not be overt but does still exist.

You may think it's trivial owenshooter but these are real issues that can easily end up leaving everyone upset and pissed off, which I'm sure you agree is not a good idea. A clear set of unambiguous comprehensive guidelines is always - always - a good idea. If you want to take the time to write them I applaud you, I'm simply suggesting borrowing extant ones from a trusted source. Thanks for your help with the pretty little buttons at the top of the screen though.

If you want to be taken more seriously then stop whining and attacking others ideas (trolling is against the guidelines too) and engage in debate.

I read your post. Your examples were terrible. Do I take offense to it? No - because otherwise you would have certainly seen a PM from me, and what I thought of you. I didn't call you a racist. But, what I did say was that it appears you are baiting owenshooter to an argument. I have remained entirely on-topic, but it appears that you seem to have a knack for baiting people into an argument with your words. "Context"? Perhaps in Bizarro world, using racial slurs such as "nigger", "chink", "Nshooter", etc. is acceptable, but not in mine. There is NO proper context for these words to be used. It's as easy for me to say 'well, you're white - so you have no clue'...I'm sure that would spark a fire. I am merely saying that people such as owenshooter and myself (and many others) have suffered and endured much racial discrimination, there certainly is no place for that anywhere. This is where we want to have complete anonymity, without any discrimination regardless of age, race, or sex and be able to enjoy friendly banter and competition.

This is indeed my second post. Please quote owen's response to my first too for complete context.

I have repeated my idea that we should use extant guidelines from another organisation several times in the course of this discussion yet I don't see an on-topic response to this from you.

Don't need to quote myself. And yes, I have seen what you've written...but how shall I put it? Ahhh, yes - context. Stop baiting.

[whitestazn88]

well i've already proposed various resolutions, if you read my first post in the thread. afterwards, i agreed with andy's point and gave an alternate proposal which i felt would help curb bigotry to a better degree.

i left for a couple hours, which is what people do in the real world. upon my return, i found that both xelabale and lockstick had brought it upon themselves to declare that the n-word was not a big deal, especially when out of context.

i responded to that by saying that the n-word will always have context, even alone.

then you and your butt-buddy went on some crusade against me, and this is where we are now

[The Fuzzy Pengui]

If you guys want to try to continue a somewhat civil discussion on bigotry, keep all the unnecessary, off-topic, and flaming out of the thread.

[jbrettlip]

Since the mods are now throwing around the N word, since it is only offensive in context, I guess I will start posting pictures of naked kids. But only in the context that some might find them cute...not in a sexual way.

There is no double meaning for the n word. It is derogatory. There is a double meaning for other terms, so the filter would not work for them. I clean my kitchen with Spic and Span. Where did the day go? There is a chink in my armor.Calculate the slope of the line. I like saurkraut. But you can't use the n-word (not the adverb version which means to be frugal) in a sentence that is not derogatory.

Pull your heads out, Owen is right. You can't use racist terms. There should be stiff penalties. Trying to carry it to women, sexism,and even homophobia is just trying to diminish how horrible racism is. Eliminate the racism, then work on the other forms of bigotry.

[JoshyBoy]

What is a bigot and what is bigotry?

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"A bigot is a person who is intolerant of or takes offense to the opinions, lifestyles or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding attitude or mindset. Bigot is often used as a pejorative term to describe a person who is obstinately devoted to prejudices, especially when these views are either challenged, or proven to be false or not universally applicable or acceptable."

Taken from Wikipedia.

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According to Cambridge's Dictionaries Online a bigot is "a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who thinks that anyone who does not have the same beliefs is wrong."

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Dictionary.com states that a bigot is "a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion."

Bigotry, Dictionary.com states, is "a stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own." Also the "beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot."
Synonyms for bigotry include narrow-mindedness, bias, and discrimination.

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And lastly, TheFreeDictionary.com defines bigotry as "obtuse or narrow-minded intolerance, especially of other races or religions."

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That my friends, sums up bigotry.

And I believe that makes quite a few players on here bigots.

Any form of bigotry on ConquerClub should not be tolerated. People of all ages play this game and they should not have to be exposed to it. So there you go mods I've given you a definition of bigotry and bigots.

Use it wisely.

[xelabale]

Since the mods are now throwing around the N word, since it is only offensive in context, I guess I will start posting pictures of naked kids. But only in the context that some might find them cute...not in a sexual way.

There is no double meaning for the n word. It is derogatory. There is a double meaning for other terms, so the filter would not work for them. I clean my kitchen with Spic and Span. Where did the day go? There is a chink in my armor.Calculate the slope of the line. I like saurkraut. But you can't use the n-word (not the adverb version which means to be frugal) in a sentence that is not derogatory.

Pull your heads out, Owen is right. You can't use racist terms. There should be stiff penalties. Trying to carry it to women, sexism,and even homophobia is just trying to diminish how horrible racism is. Eliminate the racism, then work on the other forms of bigotry.

Did you read my post?

[whitestazn88]

Since the mods are now throwing around the N word, since it is only offensive in context, I guess I will start posting pictures of naked kids. But only in the context that some might find them cute...not in a sexual way.

There is no double meaning for the n word. It is derogatory. There is a double meaning for other terms, so the filter would not work for them. I clean my kitchen with Spic and Span. Where did the day go? There is a chink in my armor.Calculate the slope of the line. I like saurkraut. But you can't use the n-word (not the adverb version which means to be frugal) in a sentence that is not derogatory.

Pull your heads out, Owen is right. You can't use racist terms. There should be stiff penalties. Trying to carry it to women, sexism,and even homophobia is just trying to diminish how horrible racism is. Eliminate the racism, then work on the other forms of bigotry.

Did you read my post?

yes, people who are regular posters read posts before posting so they don't sound like idiots posting stuff people have already discussed.

and please stop wasting my time posting if people read your posts... its not an interesting read, like i said earlier, and it doesn't help the situation at hand. if you really want people to read your first post, copy and paste it into the text box provided when you press "post reply". that way it will always be on hand

[xelabale]

Then why comment on an argument you had no idea about? This is my post, make of it what you will.

I 100% agree that all forms of bigotry are wrong - racism, sexism, etc. It's all categorically wrong.

But how does one police it? You can't just monitor for keywords, there is context. A coloured person may choose to call his friend a nigger for example. And where is the line? 0 tolerance is all very well but it isn't practical If I call someone an idiotic yank is that bigotry, am I to be banned for 1 week? How do you draw a line in such a quagmire?

One solution could be to find an organisation that we would expect to have a good policy and adopt theirs - the UN for example. They must have thought through this issue much more thoroughly than we ever would have the time for, and we would/should all agree that their policy would be balanced and fair.

Edit this is the second time I've done that - you really are trolling aren't you!

[whitestazn88]

Then why comment on an argument you had no idea about? This is my post, make of it what you will.

I 100% agree that all forms of bigotry are wrong - racism, sexism, etc. It's all categorically wrong.

But how does one police it? You can't just monitor for keywords, there is context. A coloured person may choose to call his friend a nigger for example. And where is the line? 0 tolerance is all very well but it isn't practical If I call someone an idiotic yank is that bigotry, am I to be banned for 1 week? How do you draw a line in such a quagmire?

One solution could be to find an organisation that we would expect to have a good policy and adopt theirs - the UN for example. They must have thought through this issue much more thoroughly than we ever would have the time for, and we would/should all agree that their policy would be balanced and fair.

Edit this is the second time I've done that - you really are trolling aren't you!

totally trolling.

ps. if you want people to care about what you're saying, maybe clarify it. for example. i have no idea what the UN's policy is on bigotry. so let me know. i'm waiting.

pps. where did your butt-buddy go?

[xelabale]

What do you mean butt-buddy, troll?

I am proposing that cc use carefully crafted guidelines in order to police this, as there is a genuine sense of a problem here, and our guidelines seem insufficiently nuanced. I'm putting forward the idea that an organisation such as the UN (only an example, it could be any trusted organisation) will have significantly better crafted policies and guidelines than CC's unusable zero tolerance policy. This is a recap of the idea I put forward which if you'd taken the time to read the thread before jumping in you would of course already know.

[whitestazn88]

What do you mean butt-buddy, troll?

I am proposing that cc use carefully crafted guidelines in order to police this, as there is a genuine sense of a problem here, and our guidelines seem insufficiently nuanced. I'm putting forward the idea that an organisation such as the UN (only an example, it could be any trusted organisation) will have significantly better crafted policies and guidelines than CC's unusable zero tolerance policy. This is a recap of the idea I put forward which if you'd taken the time to read the thread before jumping in you would of course already know.

oh, i thought you meant that we take the UN's policy, which is something that could be misconstrued based on the way it was put forward.

ps. your butt-buddy is gypsy's kiss or whatever fairy-type name it was...

pps. i believe i was part of the conversation before you "jumped in" on the thread.

ppps. please stop referring to me as a troll, as i'm actually the resident CC golem.

[xelabale]

lets see... where to start...

well, i personally feel as though i have pretty thick skin, and can take any remark about me pretty well, especially if its on the internet. from that experience, i would say that its a "whatever" type of matter and should be let go.

BUT, I do believe that if we have community guidelines, and they have been provided by various forum goers, then they should be followed. if you say bigotry or whatever you wanna call it is not allowed, then don't allow it. I personally think its preposterous that OptimusPrime could just tell owenshooter that he couldn't find nshooter in the racism dictionary and then have the audacity to put a fucking at the end of his statement. Seriously? You're a fucking shit community manager replacement then. If you say that biggotry is allowed in no circumstances, you better be able to back that up. if "team cc" is really gonna take that "turn the other cheek and show your brown eye and let yourself get gangbanged by racists" attitude, then at least change the fucking community guidelines so that we know you're not gonna do anything about it.

thats all i gotta say.

ps. i hate kikes

Helpful ideas, thanks. Troll.