[Unofficial] HALL OF FAME

[Blitzaholic]

You'll be a stud sporting the yellow jacket Blitzy !

not if I dont vote him in !

are you on the panel or committee?

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

You'll be a stud sporting the yellow jacket Blitzy !

not if I dont vote him in !

are you on the panel or committee?

I would hope that I am. Being a long time member here and holding alot of site records and keeper of the all time high scores, my involvement should be enough.


oh....and I have over 2,500 post. Thats the number one thing to obtain...post

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

If CC ever decided to have a Hall of Fame, what do players think the criteria should be?

I was thinking sports, stats, longevity as being two of them? Also took the suggestions of CC players ideas into consideration, a lot of this comes from Optimus Prime who had solid suggestions, so i weaved them into a list of now 11 criteria, and will remain open for the 12th idea.



Any others have ideas or thoughts? What would the criteria look like if this was ever to occur?

I say a Hall of Fame would be a great idea. Here are some of the factors I would say to include:

1. Longevity (set a certain time that the player has to have been active for) minimum 2 years

2. Score (setting a benchmark score might be tough because of the up and down nature of the scoreboard, but perhaps there could be a benchmark for average score that could be taken into account) had to have hit 3500 score or higher before

3. 1st 5's and Top 5's (individuals obtaining multiple lists)

4. Rank (This would have to be considered, especially for the players that don't contribute anything in the forums, map-making, or in running the site)

5. Membership Status (You could argue that a true CCer would be willing to support the site by having a premium membership for a certain period of time, but on the other side, if someone reaches the rank of General through consistent game play with a free account, you have to consider that as a sizable feat)

6. Stats (This would be a great reason to begin keeping stats for singles wins, doubles wins, triples wins, quad wins, assassin wins, total wins, et cetera.

7. Other Contributions (Someone with not quite as high of a score but multiple contributions as far as map designs that are popular should have that taken into account. Also, someone who plays well, has good stats, but perhaps contributes through helping the Forum community be a fun place to be by starting fun topics or helping others out should have that count for them as well.)

8. Feedback (This one is much more subjective, but I think that if there is a way to find validity in negative feedback, it should be taken into account but not be a major determining factor. Granted, any players currently on the site that would likely be considered probably won't have any problems with this)

9. Medals, obtaining over 20 medals while keeping a high score, not many can say they have done this over longer period of time.

10. Map Makers, Tournament Creators, site workers like coaches in sports could possible enter in.

11. CC players who are involved in tournaments and have won at least one.

Having a Hall of Fame would give some of the players something to shoot for.

I don't think that retirement should be a requirement for this reason: If they have retired from game-play, what good is it going to do them? They probably won't be on the site much, so what satisfaction will they get from being in the Hall of Fame?

I think there would need to be a committee that would decide on who gets in and who doesn't, it should be Lack, a couple of mods, but not all, and a couple members from each rank (General, Colonel, Major and Captain). I also think the voting members should only be on the committee for a set amount of time, excluding Lack given that he is the ultimate creator and if he ever steps down he can name his successor.

I think that there should be a new icon designed for them who make the CC Hall of Fame. If they have made it to the Hall of Fame, it would give that player his due recognition if you ask me.

Perhaps only 5 to 10 candidates recognized per year, but only 1, 2 or 3 could make it in, others left over would wait next year.

number 3 should be dismissed and heres an example why

why does a player who happened to be part of a build game where 8 players just deployed armies for 1,000 rounds to obtain top 5 games with most armies be considered for the hall of fame? this thread is loaded with such topics.

I like the hall of fame idea, just not every detail on how it is to be set up.

also, numbers 10 and 11.

number 8 is outdated. you can use the rating system in its place but we all know how the rating system is not filled out honestly.

[Blitzaholic]

number 3 should be dismissed and heres an example why

why does a player who happened to be part of a build game where 8 players just deployed armies for 1,000 rounds to obtain top 5 games with most armies be considered for the hall of fame? this thread is loaded with such topics.

I like the hall of fame idea, just not every detail on how it is to be set up.

also, numbers 10 and 11.

number 8 is outdated. you can use the rating system in its place but we all know how the rating system is not filled out honestly.

JR, thank you for your post and taking the time to read all that. Let me help address some of your concerns.

as far as # 3, if a player just had most rounds and most total armies and did not have any others on the 5's list, that would be taken into careful consideration and would not deem them in if thats all they were on there for.

# 10 and # 11 I think are important, playing in CC tournaments and Winning one speaks volumes, but this in and of itself would not be enough to get a player enshrined into the CC Hall of Fame. and coaches do make the hall of fame, but again, map making alone will not get you in, but the more criteria you meet out of those 11 will, example, someone that has made tons of tourneys or maps, has won a lot of games, played for a few years, won tournies, has some 5's list, remained premium, did an awful a lot for the site, may get in, this is why we have a panel to vote on. hall of fame would be mostly for players, like in sports, but a handful of exceptional coaches or map makers do get it or tourney organizers, but they would have to meet more criteria then just that alone, they do help the site a lot, ex. Lackattack would be automatically in CC Hall of Fame, for obvious reasons, he is the exception, cause without him, this dont exist. Lackattack is interested in this and seems to be going to allow this in the future for a hall of fame medal, I have chatted with him on it, as far as the panel, i would need to see who is all interested, again, they must be fair, honest and impartial, if the panel is 12, all would vote yes, no and maybe, but can only judge by these 11 criteria, so thats why i need more input if I am missing anything, should I add a 12th criteria???

# 8, agreed, outdated and I need to change it to the rating system.


finally, it is important to understand that if a cc player meets a few on the list of 11 criteria, this may not be enough to get them in, but in no way does a cc player have to meet them all? no, they still could go in without meeting them all. this is important to know, but if the eligible candidates for the 1st year of cc players in 2006, we would look at those names, if 2 players met 3 of the criteria and 3 players met 4 of that criteria, but there was 1 that met 6 of the criteria and 1 that met 7 of the criteria, the 2 players with the most criteria would be shoo-ins, and the rest would need strong impartial voting, if they fell short, would go into the ballots for next year in 2009 and would automaticaly be eligible. Not sure what the fuss is all about, I look at the criteria of those 11, and I know many don't like you JR, but you do meet many of the 11 criteria, over half and whether they liked you or not, that 6 or 7 criteria you do meet should get you in, unless you got an asterik * for possible cheating, lol. I mean you know as well as I do in baseball a player does not need to have 3000 hits, 500 homers, 2000 rbi's, 500 steals, .300 average, etc, they dont need to have all of them to get in, but the more they have the easier they get in. hope this helps jr.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

number 3 should be dismissed and heres an example why

why does a player who happened to be part of a build game where 8 players just deployed armies for 1,000 rounds to obtain top 5 games with most armies be considered for the hall of fame? this thread is loaded with such topics.

I like the hall of fame idea, just not every detail on how it is to be set up.

also, numbers 10 and 11.

number 8 is outdated. you can use the rating system in its place but we all know how the rating system is not filled out honestly.

JR, thank you for your post and taking the time to read all that. Let me help address some of your concerns.

as far as # 3, if a player just had most rounds and most total armies and did not have any others on the 5's list, that would be taken into careful consideration and would not deem them in if thats all they were on there for.

# 10 and # 11 I think are important, playing in CC tournaments and Winning one speaks volumes, but this in and of itself would not be enough to get a player enshrined into the CC Hall of Fame.

# 8, agreed, outdated and I need to change it to the rating system.


finally, it is important to understand that if a cc player meets a few on the list of 11 criteria, this may not be enough to get them in, but in no way does a cc player have to meet them all? no, they still could go in without meeting them all. this is important to know, but if the eligible candidates for the 1st year of cc players in 2006, we would look at those names, if 2 players met 3 of the criteria and 3 players met 4 of that criteria, but there was 1 that met 6 of the criteria and 1 that met 7 of the criteria, the 2 players with the most criteria would be shoo-ins, and the rest would need strong impartial voting, if they fell short, would go into the ballots for next year in 2009 and would automaticaly be eligible. I mean you know as well as I do in baseball a player does not need to have 3000 hits, 500 homers, 2000 rbi's, 500 steals, .300 average, etc, they dont need to have all of them to get in, but the more they have the easier they get in. hope this helps jr.

it helps

If I look at myself as an example, I play in tourneys but have never won one. So I would hate to see other players in the same situation be denied for 1 minor "flaw".

as for map making. I feel it is unique in its on kind. It helps in enhancing the site, but not all players have the technology or the knowledge to create a map. So again, a small "flaw" could prevent membership.

[Blitzaholic]

you need to reread my post, I was editing as you quoted me. again, a cc player does not have to meet all criteria of 11 to be in, but the more the better. if you met 7 criteria for example jr and from the class of 2006 and all other candidates met 5,4,3, well I would think you would be a lock, as far as the others it would be up to the panel of 12, if you are on the panel and are interested, I will discuss with cc mods or lack to find out who i can ask or let them decide. but lets say you were, if you said no to player X but and the rest of the 12 had 5 maybe's and 6 yes, then the majority seems to be yes, let the player in by the skin of their teeth, but if you said no JR and 5 others said no, 6 no's and there was good reasoning for your NO, then that cc player would be on the ballot for next year to revote on and maybe that player would have met another 1 or 2 criteria to get them closer for next year to get in, make sense, again, this will be a fair judging panel, and will have the mods or lack over see it if i have to.


as far the committee of 12 judges, I still need to work this out.

[Blitzaholic]

JR this is your quote "So again, a small "flaw" could prevent membership".


you need to read what I post again


I said a player does not have to meet ALL 11 criteria to get in, same as baseball, there is no MLB hall of famer who has 500 homers, 500 steals, 500 double,s .300 average, 2000 rbi's, MVP's, world series rings, played 20 years.


the only one would be barry bonds, but he missing the world series ring, but again, no mlb player has all these, but many are still in the hall of fame, do you understand now sir?

do I need to put you on my ignore list jr?

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

lol- you edited and posted twice as the same time I left my message. take a break from this thread

[Blitzaholic]

If CC ever decided to have a Hall of Fame, what do players think the criteria should be?

I was thinking sports, stats, longevity as being two of them? Also took the suggestions of CC players ideas into consideration, a lot of this comes from Optimus Prime who had solid suggestions, so i weaved them into a list of now 11 criteria, and will remain open for the 12th idea.



Any others have ideas or thoughts? What would the criteria look like if this was ever to occur?

I say a Hall of Fame would be a great idea. Here are some of the factors I would say to include:

1. Longevity: played minimum of 2 years

2. Score of 3500 +

3. Made 1st 5 and Top 5 lists

4. Maintained RANK

5. Membership status of Premium a vast majority of time

6. Stats: singles wins, doubles wins, triples wins, quad wins, assassin, term, total wins, etc.

7. Multiple contributions to CC site, overall enhancement, map making, tournament organizers, clan domination, site workers, forum helpers, posters making it a fun site with threads of popularity evidenced by over 100 pages, etc.

8. Feedback or Ranking System of 4.5 or higher-although somewhat subjective

9. Medals of 20+ and held high score in the process

10. CC players who played Tournaments and Won @ least 1

11. Obtained Conquerer or # 1 on Scoreboard

12. Versitile, demonstrates greatness in a plethera of game plays and gaming styles, on many maps

Having a Hall of Fame would give some of the players something to shoot for.

I don't think that retirement should be a requirement for this reason: If they have retired from game-play, what good is it going to do them? They probably won't be on the site much, so what satisfaction will they get from being in the Hall of Fame?

I think there would need to be a committee that would decide on who gets in and who doesn't, it should be Lack, a couple of mods, but not all, and a couple members from each rank (General, Colonel, Major and Captain). I also think the voting members should only be on the committee for a set amount of time, excluding Lack given that he is the ultimate creator and if he ever steps down he can name his successor.

I think that there should be a new icon designed for them who make the CC Hall of Fame. If they have made it to the Hall of Fame, it would give that player his due recognition if you ask me.

Perhaps only 5 to 10 candidates recognized per year, but only 1, 2 or 3 could make it in, others left over would wait next year. Lackattack is interested in this as we had discussed this, so seems to be happening in future, he scanned it over, but just very busy right now. May come with a future update with CC Hall of Fame Medal. Still ironing out some kinks and looking for impartial panel of 12 to be honest and fair judges with no bias.

Respectfully, Blitzaholic

updated to 12 Criteria and now will need a fair panel of 12 Judges.

[Blitzaholic]

any others ideas?


robineete? wow, she usually would have something to say on this

[Blitzaholic]

if lack comes to visit the forum, can i have an update on this maybe?

or twill?


last time i chatted, he seemed interested

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

Perhaps change the name to Hall of JR ?

[Lindax]

I like the idea of a Hall of Fame blitzy, and I agree with the requirements in general. The only exception is that you have to have been Conquerer. I think you should be able to become a Hall of Famer without that. There will still be very few players that would qualify.

On the other hand I think there should be some requirement with regards to sportmanship and general conduct on CC.

In our clan I manage a clan member ranking list, based on score (rank), wins, winning percentage, medals, tournaments won, position on our clan ladder, death matches won or lost (another clan thing), etc. Then I calculate a score with the highest score being no 1. The idea of the ranking is to see who is the "best" all-round player. Maybe some kind of similar points system could work for the HoF....

Just my 2 cents, and btw, I would consider being a juror if I was asked

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[Blitzaholic]

I like the idea of a Hall of Fame blitzy, and I agree with the requirements in general. The only exception is that you have to have been Conquerer. I think you should be able to become a Hall of Famer without that. There will still be very few players that would qualify.

On the other hand I think there should be some requirement with regards to sportmanship and general conduct on CC.

In our clan I manage a clan member ranking list, based on score (rank), wins, winning percentage, medals, tournaments won, position on our clan ladder, death matches won or lost (another clan thing), etc. Then I calculate a score with the highest score being no 1. The idea of the ranking is to see who is the "best" all-round player. Maybe some kind of similar points system could work for the HoF....

Just my 2 cents, and btw, I would consider being a juror if I was asked

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I agree Lindax, I dont think you need to have be # 1 or a conqueror, it may help, yes, however, there is 12 criteria, say you lindax met like 9 or 10 of those 12, well, I think that would be good to get you in. make sense?

[Lindax]

I agree Lindax, I dont think you need to have be # 1 or a conqueror, it may help, yes, however, there is 12 criteria, say you lindax met like 9 or 10 of those 12, well, I think that would be good to get you in. make sense?

Got it, and yep, it makes sense

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[Blitzaholic]

I agree Lindax, I dont think you need to have be # 1 or a conqueror, it may help, yes, however, there is 12 criteria, say you lindax met like 9 or 10 of those 12, well, I think that would be good to get you in. make sense?

Got it, and yep, it makes sense

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ok, if it goes thru and lack pm;s me again, i know he's busy, I can consider you a juror, I would need 12 fair cc people and to look at those 12 criteria and decide from there.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

I agree Lindax, I dont think you need to have be # 1 or a conqueror, it may help, yes, however, there is 12 criteria, say you lindax met like 9 or 10 of those 12, well, I think that would be good to get you in. make sense?

Got it, and yep, it makes sense

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ok, if it goes thru and lack pm;s me again, i know he's busy, I can consider you a juror, I would need 12 fair cc people and to look at those 12 criteria and decide from there.

I see you changed some of the subjects since we talked

[Blitzaholic]

I agree Lindax, I dont think you need to have be # 1 or a conqueror, it may help, yes, however, there is 12 criteria, say you lindax met like 9 or 10 of those 12, well, I think that would be good to get you in. make sense?

Got it, and yep, it makes sense

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ok, if it goes thru and lack pm;s me again, i know he's busy, I can consider you a juror, I would need 12 fair cc people and to look at those 12 criteria and decide from there.

I see you changed some of the subjects since we talked

no, i dont think so, look at the dates and times all was posted, which one you referring to or have suggestions of change? i will be open

[THE ARMY]

all of these are good except for #3 it discriminates against those who joined later

[Joodoo]

you should separate it into two sections:
1.Score+Medals+Other statistics related to your "skill" and rank
2.Contribution/Longevity and Good Behaviour/Attitude in games, live chat, and the forums

[Blitzaholic]

all of these are good except for #3 it discriminates against those who joined later

thx for your feedback army, glad you like them or most of them











but many are on those lists who joined a lot later on the cc site



note: you do not have to meet all the criteria

[Blitzaholic]

you should separate it into two sections:
1.Score+Medals+Other statistics related to your "skill" and rank
2.Contribution/Longevity and Good Behaviour/Attitude in games, live chat, and the forums

hmmm


need to think about this


behavior, attitude, alone gets no one into the hall of fame in any sports

[TheBro]

You don't have to meet all of the requirements, you have to meet some of them!

I think behavior/attitude should be an important factor. Should Max be in the hall of fame? If behavior/attitude wasn't a part of it, maybe. (You may think he should be anyways, idk, idc) Isn't it pretty rare to find a dick in the hall of fame? OJ is the only that comes to mind..

[Bones2484]

Behavior/attitude only keeps players OUT of the Hall of Fame in sports.

[TheBro]

Behavior/attitude only keeps players OUT of the Hall of Fame in sports.

Touche.