Please, let us discuss

[eddie2]

ok i must of got one then just cant remember sorry for then

[targetman377]

like i have been saying this whole i honestly do not think much of the people care about getting a form ban. Really if you tack that on with a pm ban then yeah it screws you up. but did you not do something wrong? and as it is pointed out multi get banned right off no warning at all. form ban warning 24 hour ban then it increases. you have plenty of chances to fix how you post to not break the rules its as simple as that.

[jefjef]

and everyone knows what a form ban includes pm ban so you should know what to except and if you do get a 6 month ban u knew u were doing things wrong and don't say you don't.

and alot abunch peeple thinks taht owen and ronc and even bkbunt banz was suspiciuosly miner an no worth for 6 month band and its still confused that if form band why no wall/pm. the purpose of form band is to no longer allow to post in form which is a seperate not related thing so why no pm? the form ban silences the band and keeps them from disturbing an upsetting the community so if the became nusuince via pm then they could block them from that ifn need bee.

[Georgerx7di]

Perhaps I could add a little bit to the discussion. It appeared a while ago that a lot of the interesting posters, (not all), were getting warnings and escalating vacations. I was personally starting to feel that if I kept posting in GD that eventually I would get a warning and ban, and perhaps many others were feeling this too.

So I stopped posting in GD for a while and only recently do I pop in here once in a blue moon. I guess what I'm getting at is, if you don't want to get banned, don't post in public forums. Post in usergroups where you know the people and they are more understanding of your language and opinions.

This is how I feel anyway, I know its not a perfect solution, but GD isn't really a place where you can feel too comfortable posting whatever is on your mind any more.

[owenshooter]

the point still is that the ability to not use PM's has never been tied to being part of a forum ban. it has only been stated that it is a part of the software (which we all know can be fixed)... the arguments that it doesn't matter because you broke a rule are mute. CC has never taken that stance. if it can be changed, it should be changed. one has nothing to do with the other.-the black jesus

[owenshooter]

like i have been saying this whole i honestly do not think much of the people care about getting a form ban. Really if you tack that on with a pm ban then yeah it screws you up. but did you not do something wrong? and as it is pointed out multi get banned right off no warning at all. form ban warning 24 hour ban then it increases. you have plenty of chances to fix how you post to not break the rules its as simple as that.

pm's are not tied to the forum. a forum ban does not include a PM ban. the PM ban is because they have not been able to separate the function. how do you not understand this simple point? CC has never said that a PM ban is part of a forum ban, only that it is a glitch in the software. seriously, it is simple to understand if you step back, take a breath, and realize that you are arguing a mute point.-the black jesus

[mpjh]

says who?

[owenshooter]

says who?

says andy and lack.-the black jesus

[mpjh]

CC has never said that a PM ban is part of a forum ban

says who?

[owenshooter]

CC has never said that a PM ban is part of a forum ban

says who?

again, twill, andy and lack have all stated/explained that it is a function of phpBB and not CC. when a member is forum banned, phpBB creates a PM ban also. they have not been able to separate the functions yet. a PM ban is not part of a forum ban...-the black jesus

[mpjh]

I don't understand, everyone has said that a change would be necessary to take pm's out of the ban restriction, and they haven't indicated any interest in making the change. So they are saying it remains part of the ban. Seems you are missing the point entirely.

[owenshooter]

I don't understand, everyone has said that a change would be necessary to take pm's out of the ban restriction, and they haven't indicated any interest in making the change. So they are saying it remains part of the ban. Seems you are missing the point entirely.

no, seems as if you are missing the point entirely. it has been stated that PM's are not part of a forum ban, but they are unable to separate the functions at the time... how is that so difficult for you to understand? if the phpBB functions could be separated, which lack has looked into, they would be separated...-the black jesus

[mpjh]

lol, you truly make no sense. Until someone makes a change pm's are part of the ban. No getting around that.

[lord voldemort]

really mpjh...owen isnt lying or trolling or anything (*shock*)...i think i made my point in this thread already saying that the forum software has to be hacked for this to change. And it has been said countless times by admin and mods who understand the technicals behind this problem. And yes it is a problem. Its obvious...

[notyou2]

at the same time as owen pointed out you get banned for a multi you can buy back in right! well you can only do that once. in the forms you get warnings or a 24 hr ban that builds up to a 6 month ban. so it not like you lose your pm for that long yes it sucks but punishments are never fun. other wise what would be the point? and no one will ever learn from the mistakes

You are clearly missing the inherent flaw in the current system that the Black Jesus is pointing out.

People who are punished for flaming/baiting/trolling on the forums are punished in ways that affect the game. People who are punished for cheating the game, are allowed to buy back and play as if nothing happened.

As a user of this website, I'd rather the harsher penalties be reserved for those who cheat the game play, not the forums.

I agree with Bones 100%. This is WRONG. Cheaters buy back like nothing happened, but those that have a different opinion or overactive typing fingers get banned.

However, this requires logic, and logic has no place on a moneymaking strategy gaming site apparently.

[targetman377]

I don't understand, everyone has said that a change would be necessary to take pm's out of the ban restriction, and they haven't indicated any interest in making the change. So they are saying it remains part of the ban. Seems you are missing the point entirely.

no, seems as if you are missing the point entirely. it has been stated that PM's are not part of a forum ban, but they are unable to separate the functions at the time... how is that so difficult for you to understand? if the phpBB functions could be separated, which lack has looked into, they would be separated...-the black jesus

i have a simple solution DO NOT GET BANNED. then you would never have this problem. on top of that why should lack waste his time fixing this problem? i think there are better things lack can fix before he fixes this. adding game features is far more important then fixing a glitch with people who have broken rules? don't you think? well?

[lord voldemort]

thats not a solution to the problem..thats burying your head in the sand. And just posting for the sake of posting. When you apparantly don't understand the topic

[Commander62890]

Stop before you get in too deep, Targetman and Mpjh. You're dead wrong... it's not even close to being arguable, and I can't believe you keep posting the same annoying drivel over and over.

[targetman377]

thats not a solution to the problem..thats burying your head in the sand. And just posting for the sake of posting. When you apparantly don't understand the topic

i am not posting for the sake of posting! and the solution is still a solution. if you are worried about getting your pm's taken away don't get banned.

Stop before you get in too deep, Targetman and Mpjh. You're dead wrong... it's not even close to being arguable, and I can't believe you keep posting the same annoying drivel over and over.

my favorite part of this is if you go back and reread it owen, everyone else is saying the same thing over and over again. i have

but i understand people think you should not get banned from both! and it should be fixed. Well what makes this problem if you think it is one so much far better to idea then others that have been waiting 2 years to be implemented? this problem does not effect that many users. i would rather see other fixes done before this.

telling me i do not understand just go to show how far you guys go to make yourself look better even when you know you are wrong.

[Commander62890]

Ah, so you do agree that it's a problem, but you think there are more important issues that have not yet been dealt with. That's respectable. I guess I can agree with you there... but there is really no good reason why this should not be fixed, eventually.

[targetman377]

no honestly i do not think of it as a problem at all. It a punishment for breaking the rules. and who cares if the two have anything to do with each other. And as for if people see it as a problem there are far better ones to fix. You never get banned without a warning. and the first ban is only 24 hr ban surly people can go that long. if you get a 6 month ban That is your own fault. And a solution to this whole problem is still DONT BREAK THE RULES. how hard is it to say within the guidelines? well if owen can do it for a year he can do it forever!

[Commander62890]

So. You think that, because these people broke the rules, they deserve whatever punishment is coming to them. It doesn't matter whether or not the punishment is just; they broke the rules and they deserve it.

Imagine if people who got caught speeding were burned at the stake. When there was public outcry, would you reply, "a solution to this whole problem is still DONT BREAK THE RULES."

I know, it is a rather excessive and crude analogy. However, it illustrates what you do not seem to understand: If a crime is being punished unjustly, the appropriate solution is not to tell people, "don't break the rules." The appropriate solution is to examine whether or not the punishment is just. If it isn't, then we are obligated to find a way to make it so.

[notyou2]

A man and women were just stoned to death in northern Afghanistan for adultery.

Target, does that punishment fit the crime?

[owenshooter]

no honestly i do not think of it as a problem at all. It a punishment for breaking the rules.

see, this statement right here shows that you truly do not understand that losing your PM's is not part of the forum ban punishment, it is a problem with phpBB!!! it is not a punishment for breaking the rules, it is a flaw in the software. again, andy and lack and twill have all stated this, it is a flaw in the phpBB!!! losing your PM"s is not part of the punishment, so please stop stating that incorrect fact. the only people that have PM's removed as PART OF THEIR PUNISHMENT are people that are busted for PM abuse. again, you do not understand the basic krux of the argument, so please stop posting for the sake of posting, because you are not proving any point other than the fact that you do not understand the problem...-the black jesus

[Georgerx7di]

A man and women were just stoned to death in northern Afghanistan for adultery.

Target, does that punishment fit the crime?

It depends, what day of the week was it?