Spamming to protest spam: NOT funny

[Army of GOD]

and can walk away whenever you want.

You underestimate the power of the Internet...

[stahrgazer]

dont forget two of them where mods. so you cant blame me for doing it.

I most certainly CAN!

1) You're NOT a mod, you have no power to discipline if they don't listen.
2) The mods in question received the same request from me to not spam ME just because others had spammed.
3) The mods in question identified the potential penalties for anyone else doing the spam.
4) The mods in question APOLOGIZED in reply to me, for spamming me to prevent 25 others from spamming like YOU did, to say, "stop spamming me."
5) at least one mod in question gave me kudos for responding to him as an individual rather than SPAMMING to ask him not to add to the pester-problem.
6) After the mods spoke up, it DID stop.

[stahrgazer]

i just want an end to the practice. it is becoming over-bearing and is encroaching upon my CC experience. if they want to do that for tournaments that people have JOINED, that is fine. but to solicit me for tournaments, games, maps, etc, is an abuse of the PM system. CC should put an end to this, because it is at critical mass...-the black jesus

I disagree to a point.

I had no real difficulty with the original pm advertising a tournament. It was absurd, and I'm not even bothering to look at the tournament because I don't know the guy so thought it was absurd to get the pm... but, I believe an invite to consider a tournament is not the same category of "Spamming" that all those responders (like 40kguy) did.

A couple of folks I sent my INDIVIDUAL note to, apologized. Not 40kguy; he made comments back to me that he thought it was FUNNY that he did it...and still, 40kguy is in here defending his SPAMMING.

[stahrgazer]

Personally, I didn't find them to be a big issue. I read the first one (from ChapCrap regarding the new tournament), realized all of the rest would be spam, and didn't bother opening them.

Keep in mind that this is the internet, you're not required to read anything here, and can walk away whenever you want.

Agreed; and for the most part, I didn't read them after the first one (which I, too, had no issue with.)

The rest of them, though, flooded my inbox so that I couldn't receive legitimate messages regarding clan doings, until I'd gone through and deleted them.

I didn't find it amusing, I didn't find it necessary, and after I'd deleted the first swarm, when I received more, I began responding individually to those spammers... to show them that it WAS possible to respond to ONLY the spammer to ask them to stop.

I think the dumbest part of this trend is that the "reply to sender" click-font is larger than the "respond to sender and all recipients" click-font... which tells me, these people INTENDED to spam.

What's worse, stuff like this is making someone like HA, who made a legitimate mistake by including his entire distlist in the "send" rather than the "bcc" - feel like he did something major wrong when he emailed his tournament participants some information. That minor error he made got multiplied a thousand-fold because others on CC wanted to be absolutely STUPID about it.

HA did nothing wrong. Chap...took improper advantage of an error... everyone else SPAMMED.

Even the mods.. but they did it to warn EVERYONE of the consequences that they CAN enforce (to prevent umpteen more of the spams) and as such, they get kudos for jumping on it fast.

[owenshooter]

I believe an invite to consider a tournament is not the same category of "Spamming" that all those responders (like 40kguy) did.

blindly blanketing 100's of CC users to join a tournament is spam. period. there is just no way around it. if the person has shown absolutely no interest in the tournament, doesn't know about the tournament and doesn't know the user running the tournament, why should they get a blanket PM that then turns into an overflowed inbox from others responding to the initial spam pm? in C&A there is an accusation right now in which andy has clearly stated this sort of behaviour is against the rules:

Subject: (Various) PM Spam: Chap's European Assassin Tournament

Just to clarify, since I know many people neglect reading the Community Guidelines, but "Repeated Unwanted Solicitation of a user via PM/Walls/Gamechat)" is indeed a Minor Infraction, and has been since 2009.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7785&p=1759440#p1759440

--Andy

so, now it seems like the next step is people reporting game invites, map vote invites, tournament invites, thread invites, etc, within C&A since it is already against the written rules...-the black jesus

[SirSebstar]

Spam is to send unsolicited bulk messages indiscriminately.
Sending a tourny link to players who have requested or joined a previous simular tournament is one thing.
Sending bulk mail responses to everybody, with kinda pointless msg's is something quite another

[HighlanderAttack]

I believe an invite to consider a tournament is not the same category of "Spamming" that all those responders (like 40kguy) did.

blindly blanketing 100's of CC users to join a tournament is spam. period. there is just no way around it. if the person has shown absolutely no interest in the tournament, doesn't know about the tournament and doesn't know the user running the tournament, why should they get a blanket PM that then turns into an overflowed inbox from others responding to the initial spam pm? in C&A there is an accusation right now in which andy has clearly stated this sort of behaviour is against the rules:

Subject: (Various) PM Spam: Chap's European Assassin Tournament

Just to clarify, since I know many people neglect reading the Community Guidelines, but "Repeated Unwanted Solicitation of a user via PM/Walls/Gamechat)" is indeed a Minor Infraction, and has been since 2009.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7785&p=1759440#p1759440

--Andy

so, now it seems like the next step is people reporting game invites, map vote invites, tournament invites, thread invites, etc, within C&A since it is already against the written rules...-the black jesus

You always try to over exaggerate to try and make your point. I am probably close to the top pm receiver on this site and yet my in-box NEVER over flows. Yes-I did solicit this tourney to my list and a larger list as I was trying to get the most players in a tourney ever. This was only in good interest for CC and will not happen again. I has three people ask me not to pm them again and I took them off my list. Entry lists in tourneys can be used for large spam, but it is not done very often. Maybe once a month at best. For you to act like you in-box gets overflowed so often is total crap--maybe it is the black jesus disciples you are getting confused with. HA-out--awaiting the next black jesus complaint or exaggeration. I think you may be a very bitter person--lol

[owenshooter]

You always try to over exaggerate to try and make your point. I am probably close to the top pm receiver on this site and yet my in-box NEVER over flows. Yes-I did solicit this tourney to my list and a larger list as I was trying to get the most players in a tourney ever. This was only in good interest for CC and will not happen again. I has three people ask me not to pm them again and I took them off my list. Entry lists in tourneys can be used for large spam, but it is not done very often. Maybe once a month at best. For you to act like you in-box gets overflowed so often is total crap--maybe it is the black jesus disciples you are getting confused with. HA-out--awaiting the next black jesus complaint or exaggeration. I think you may be a very bitter person--lol

i'm not over exaggerating. my box permissions do not allow pm's to be deleted until i delete them, to prevent PM's i actually WANT from being deleted due to unsolicited spam and/or people i don't know popping in to say hello or whatever. please tell me how you are able to state that you are one of the top PM receivers on this site, i have never seen such a stat and have no way to know how you went about fabricating this fact to try and prove your point. i have 2 inboxes set that do not allow pm's to be deleted without my permission. they routinely overflow and i have to spend some time tending to the box to remove spam, unimportant pm's etc... and i have no problem with people that have joined tournaments being contacted by organizers to help organize, etc... the fact remains, tournaments are now blanket pm'ing members to solicit entry into tournaments and as andy has shown, that is against the rules. now that i and other members know what our recourse is, i assume this practice will end quickly when warnings/bans begin to come down. the black jesus has spoken, and as usual i am 100 percent correct, and you will just have to deal with it...-the black jesus

[lord voldemort]

just throwing it out there ha...you wouldnt be close...i have a bigger inbox and the max amount of folders...any multi hunter is the same...then andy and king a is even worse...
the turtle wisely makes it so only team cc and a few others can pm him

[40kguy]

i just want an end to the practice. it is becoming over-bearing and is encroaching upon my CC experience. if they want to do that for tournaments that people have JOINED, that is fine. but to solicit me for tournaments, games, maps, etc, is an abuse of the PM system. CC should put an end to this, because it is at critical mass...-the black jesus

I disagree to a point.

I had no real difficulty with the original pm advertising a tournament. It was absurd, and I'm not even bothering to look at the tournament because I don't know the guy so thought it was absurd to get the pm... but, I believe an invite to consider a tournament is not the same category of "Spamming" that all those responders (like 40kguy) did.

A couple of folks I sent my INDIVIDUAL note to, apologized. Not 40kguy; he made comments back to me that he thought it was FUNNY that he did it...and still, 40kguy is in here defending his SPAMMING.

i think this is a flame bait right here. i could do so many things to piss you off right now.

[Woodruff]

i just want an end to the practice. it is becoming over-bearing and is encroaching upon my CC experience. if they want to do that for tournaments that people have JOINED, that is fine. but to solicit me for tournaments, games, maps, etc, is an abuse of the PM system. CC should put an end to this, because it is at critical mass...-the black jesus

I disagree to a point.

I had no real difficulty with the original pm advertising a tournament. It was absurd, and I'm not even bothering to look at the tournament because I don't know the guy so thought it was absurd to get the pm... but, I believe an invite to consider a tournament is not the same category of "Spamming" that all those responders (like 40kguy) did.

A couple of folks I sent my INDIVIDUAL note to, apologized. Not 40kguy; he made comments back to me that he thought it was FUNNY that he did it...and still, 40kguy is in here defending his SPAMMING.

i think this is a flame bait right here. i could do so many things to piss you off right now.

Flame bait? Grow up.

[HighlanderAttack]

just throwing it out there ha...you wouldnt be close...i have a bigger inbox and the max amount of folders...any multi hunter is the same...then andy and king a is even worse...
the turtle wisely makes it so only team cc and a few others can pm him

I am sure of that. As just a normal member my box is always flooded with pm's. I would say 40+ a day is probably one of the highest but for sure not higher than yours with what you deal with.

With the 200th tourney I am doing about 75-100 a day. Feels too much like work.

Owen, got your pm and checked to see where I called you a name--could not find it though? An opinion on what kind of person you are is not name calling at all. I have no intention of calling you names. I just had an opinion to your over exaggerations. I also did not consider people keeping a lot of past pms that would get deleted. Makes sense from that point of view. I just deal with my pm's and delete them. Just a different way of managing pm's.

[TheMissionary]

I was one who sent a mass response to the spamming. I wholeheartedly apologize.

[40kguy]

i just want an end to the practice. it is becoming over-bearing and is encroaching upon my CC experience. if they want to do that for tournaments that people have JOINED, that is fine. but to solicit me for tournaments, games, maps, etc, is an abuse of the PM system. CC should put an end to this, because it is at critical mass...-the black jesus

I disagree to a point.

I had no real difficulty with the original pm advertising a tournament. It was absurd, and I'm not even bothering to look at the tournament because I don't know the guy so thought it was absurd to get the pm... but, I believe an invite to consider a tournament is not the same category of "Spamming" that all those responders (like 40kguy) did.

A couple of folks I sent my INDIVIDUAL note to, apologized. Not 40kguy; he made comments back to me that he thought it was FUNNY that he did it...and still, 40kguy is in here defending his SPAMMING.

i think this is a flame bait right here. i could do so many things to piss you off right now.

Flame bait? Grow up.

well if some people wouldn't report me for flaming i would of flamed people, so at least im not reporting people. its also nice that im not afraid of blood but thats a bonus.

[Woodruff]

i just want an end to the practice. it is becoming over-bearing and is encroaching upon my CC experience. if they want to do that for tournaments that people have JOINED, that is fine. but to solicit me for tournaments, games, maps, etc, is an abuse of the PM system. CC should put an end to this, because it is at critical mass...-the black jesus

I disagree to a point.

I had no real difficulty with the original pm advertising a tournament. It was absurd, and I'm not even bothering to look at the tournament because I don't know the guy so thought it was absurd to get the pm... but, I believe an invite to consider a tournament is not the same category of "Spamming" that all those responders (like 40kguy) did.

A couple of folks I sent my INDIVIDUAL note to, apologized. Not 40kguy; he made comments back to me that he thought it was FUNNY that he did it...and still, 40kguy is in here defending his SPAMMING.

i think this is a flame bait right here. i could do so many things to piss you off right now.

Flame bait? Grow up.

well if some people wouldn't report me for flaming i would of flamed people, so at least im not reporting people. its also nice that im not afraid of blood but thats a bonus.

My point is, that's not even remotely close to anything most people would consider "flame bait". In fact, I don't really understand how you could believe that it is.

As well, it sounds to me like "people reporting you" has worked, since it has halted your flaming of others.

[Commander62890]

It was not even close to being a "flame bait," 40k.

If you responded to it with a flame, you would have looked like an idiot.

Also, you were spamming and you were wrong to do so.

[40kguy]

It was not even close to being a "flame bait," 40k.

If you responded to it with a flame, you would have looked like an idiot.

Also, you were spamming and you were wrong to do so.

yes, telling people to stop.

[Commander62890]

You should have sent it only to the person who originally sent you the message, and excluded everyone else on the mailing list.

[Woodruff]

It was not even close to being a "flame bait," 40k.

If you responded to it with a flame, you would have looked like an idiot.

Also, you were spamming and you were wrong to do so.

yes, telling people to stop.

Is it really possible that you seriously do not see the problem behind that action?

[Serbia]

It was not even close to being a "flame bait," 40k.

If you responded to it with a flame, you would have looked like an idiot.

Also, you were spamming and you were wrong to do so.

yes, telling people to stop.

Is it really possible that you seriously do not see the problem behind that action?

If he admits he's wrong, he's admitting he was as bad as everyone else.
I believe he does realize it on some level, but he's hoping to avoid any time of punishment. Which isn't coming anyway.

[40kguy]

It was not even close to being a "flame bait," 40k.

If you responded to it with a flame, you would have looked like an idiot.

Also, you were spamming and you were wrong to do so.

yes, telling people to stop.

Is it really possible that you seriously do not see the problem behind that action?

yes, i told everyone to stop, people started to stop then the mods said the same thing.
(serbia i honestly was trying to stop everyone, i will take a punishment like a man only if i deserve one.)

[Serbia]

(serbia i honestly was trying to stop everyone, i will take a punishment like a man only if i deserve one.)

Agree that you do in fact deserve one and everyone will shut up about it.

[40kguy]

(serbia i honestly was trying to stop everyone, i will take a punishment like a man only if i deserve one.)

Agree that you do in fact deserve one and everyone will shut up about it.

Punctuation will make reading easier,

[Serbia]

(serbia i honestly was trying to stop everyone, i will take a punishment like a man only if i deserve one.)

Agree that you do in fact deserve one and everyone will shut up about it.

Punctuation will make reading easier,

Reading comprehension makes it easier to understand what I wrote. I'll re-write it for you.

If you will agree, and state that you do in fact deserve a ban, everyone else will shut up about the issue.

And if you want to correct someone on punctuation, you should probably be correct yourself, and not use a comma in place of a period.

[Georgerx7di]

Nope, it's a forum thread, not someone's inbox.

ooooooo

As I recall, you sent out at least one yourself, 40k. Making you as guilty as the rest.

telling people to stop

That is what is contributing to the problem. Half the ones I received were telling people to stop.

I can fix this problem. I will pm everyone on the entire site and tell them to stop spamming.