real bad results in c and a (case resolved.)

[elfish_lad]

Damn it Sir Fruitcake. You made me look up a word again. That's twice now. Bastard.

"Approbation."

Okay. I knew it.

• approval; commendation
• official approval or sanction

So I think I get your point. However. Here is my jadedness. There is an obsolete version of this word. It means:

• conclusive proof

I get what you are saying. But so much of this is about intent and that is just so hard to prove. And for the record, not that anyone gives a shit what I think, I do think the warning was the right call by admin.

After nearly two (2) years here at CC, I would love to see a conqueror whose name isn't brought up in c and a for: farming, account sitting issues, invite shenanigans, point shaving, etc. Who just plays the damn game like the rest of us do and has risen to the top.

Don't think I'm going to see it.

Cheers.

[Dako]

1000 more points for Velve and you will see him there :).

[gradybridges]

Looks like a rank envy thread.

Upon reflection Warning was the correct decision. The ONLY thing he can be proven guilty of is joining those public games. Everything else was a witch hunt.

I have to call B.S. on this.

I know I'll never get above 2300 points. I'm fine with that. I had nothing against Blitzaholic before this. I only played him 4 times(2-2) and though it was cool he was Conqueror for so long. If people had a problem with "farming" on certain maps they should get a group together and join those games and beat him.

What I have a problem is the blatent disredard for the other players on CC. It was said Jobiwan stopped playing around 3/10. So they(Blitz/leolou) had to know something was wrong yet they continued to join Tournament games and slow them to a crawl for weeks. It wasn't just continuing Tourney's-Jobiwan was a replacement and had to play a play in game to get in my tournament. I would have been happy to have them to just decline the invite. But they joined and played a round here and there but I had SIX missed turns before he finally got the deadbeat kick. This was an all Freemium tourney giving the winner Premium. So a bunch of players had to wait when they could have just taken his turns.

Whether or not the intent was point dumping, it effected hundreds of CC players and stalled tournaments.

You can say Blitzaholic is only guilty of joining public games. I disagree. He's also guilty of being a selfish A-hole who only used Jobiwan for points. Put Jobiwan and Blitzaholic in the game finder together. You know how many games they played with and against eachother? 553! You would think they would become friends if not friendly. Yet by allowing Jobiwan to deadbeat so many games he not only tainted his reputation but killed Jobiwans. If he comes back he'll be banned from most tournaments.

What a great friend Blitzaholic was to Jobiwan. Sure there is no rule that says an account sitter has to play all the turns but you'd think after a week of deadbeating there would be some worry. Maybe tell they tourney runners that Jobiwan is MIA and they are only continuing the current games. Is that so hard? Put it on his wall. Tell people to get reserves.

And I'm starting to believe Jobiwan wasn't the one that put on my wall that there was a death in his family. I couldn't have been the only one to wall him or pm him asking what was up. Why didn't he tell his account sitters whom he has played hundreds of games with? Did they pm him? Did they get one back? Obviously not because Blitzaholic was surprised when I mention this in the other thread. Again-great friend.

All the people coming Blitzaholic's defense saying first offense, only joining games abuse have to look at the bigger picture of what he and his buddies did.

[jefjef]

Looks like a rank envy thread.

Upon reflection Warning was the correct decision. The ONLY thing he can be proven guilty of is joining those public games. Everything else was a witch hunt.

I have to call B.S. on this.

You can say Blitzaholic is only guilty of joining public games. I disagree. He's also guilty of being a selfish A-hole who only used Jobiwan for points.

I have to call B.S. on this.

Nice flame brady. I imagine it will slide on by though.

This is a case of INTENT. If blitz had intentions of point dumping he would have joined many public games for jobi. That isn't the case. He joined the invites he sent him in his quads and quite frankly jobi's point drop would only effect points won/lost by a couple points per game of blitz's.

It's obvious blitz's only intent was to have his quad games played. Any other intent is purely debatable and mostly rank envy witch hunting.

and I am not coming to blitz's defense. I am defending the hunters decision. It was correct.

[Woodruff]

Looks like a rank envy thread.

Not in my case. I couldn't give a rat's ass about rank. And I have nothing against Blitz...he doesn't bother me at all like he seems to some others.

Like I said, it comes down to the fact that theherkman wasn't well-liked by the site staff and Blitzaholic is.

[eddie2]

Looks like a rank envy thread.

Not in my case. I couldn't give a rat's ass about rank. And I have nothing against Blitz...he doesn't bother me at all like he seems to some others.

Like I said, it comes down to the fact that theherkman wasn't well-liked by the site staff and Blitzaholic is.

you forgot to add buddysystem a player that wasnt known to the staff because he did not use the forums. but had a flat out ban.

[jefjef]

Looks like a rank envy thread.

Not in my case. I couldn't give a rat's ass about rank. And I have nothing against Blitz...he doesn't bother me at all like he seems to some others.

Like I said, it comes down to the fact that theherkman wasn't well-liked by the site staff and Blitzaholic is.

You're comparing this to herks case? Herk's only intention, which was openly stated by him, was to dump points and create wide spread havoc. Not quite the same woody.

Using that case as "evidence" pretty well proves that some people are only witch hunting.

[Woodruff]

Looks like a rank envy thread.

Not in my case. I couldn't give a rat's ass about rank. And I have nothing against Blitz...he doesn't bother me at all like he seems to some others.

Like I said, it comes down to the fact that theherkman wasn't well-liked by the site staff and Blitzaholic is.

You're comparing this to herks case? Herk's only intention, which was openly stated by him, was to dump points and create wide spread havoc. Not quite the same woody.

Blitz' antics here have accomplished exactly the same thing. Even worse, in theherkman's and buddysystem's cases, the admins locked the accounts while they were researching the situation...but in this case, both Blitz and Jobiwan's accounts remain active. What the hell?

[jefjef]

Looks like a rank envy thread.

Not in my case. I couldn't give a rat's ass about rank. And I have nothing against Blitz...he doesn't bother me at all like he seems to some others.

Like I said, it comes down to the fact that theherkman wasn't well-liked by the site staff and Blitzaholic is.

You're comparing this to herks case? Herk's only intention, which was openly stated by him, was to dump points and create wide spread havoc. Not quite the same woody.

Blitz' antics here have accomplished exactly the same thing. Even worse, in theherkman's and buddysystem's cases, the admins locked the accounts while they were researching the situation...but in this case, both Blitz and Jobiwan's accounts remain active. What the hell?

jobiwan had premium stripped...

Buddysystem openly admitted to his intent of point dumping and created multi's immediately upon being busted.

Herkman was absolute intentional havoc with multiple accounts.

[eddie2]

Looks like a rank envy thread.

Not in my case. I couldn't give a rat's ass about rank. And I have nothing against Blitz...he doesn't bother me at all like he seems to some others.

Like I said, it comes down to the fact that theherkman wasn't well-liked by the site staff and Blitzaholic is.

You're comparing this to herks case? Herk's only intention, which was openly stated by him, was to dump points and create wide spread havoc. Not quite the same woody.

Blitz' antics here have accomplished exactly the same thing. Even worse, in theherkman's and buddysystem's cases, the admins locked the accounts while they were researching the situation...but in this case, both Blitz and Jobiwan's accounts remain active. What the hell?

yep and blitz still gains points from playing as jobiwans account is still active with him sitting for him.

[Woodruff]

Looks like a rank envy thread.

Not in my case. I couldn't give a rat's ass about rank. And I have nothing against Blitz...he doesn't bother me at all like he seems to some others.

Like I said, it comes down to the fact that theherkman wasn't well-liked by the site staff and Blitzaholic is.

You're comparing this to herks case? Herk's only intention, which was openly stated by him, was to dump points and create wide spread havoc. Not quite the same woody.

Blitz' antics here have accomplished exactly the same thing. Even worse, in theherkman's and buddysystem's cases, the admins locked the accounts while they were researching the situation...but in this case, both Blitz and Jobiwan's accounts remain active. What the hell?

jobiwan had premium stripped...

Jobiwan gets punished and Blitz doesn't...THAT makes a lot of sense.

[jefjef]

As like the account that herkman abused, jobi will be able to come back - reclaim his account and get premium reinstated. He isn't being punished. CC just freemied it to halt any more game creation/joining.

[eddie2]

they only freemiumed it because 4 days after the case was opened either blitz or leolou started another 5 team games inviting and joining him and another 11 tourney games signing him up and deadbeating them.

[Fruitcake]

Looks like a rank envy thread.

Upon reflection Warning was the correct decision. The ONLY thing he can be proven guilty of is joining those public games. Everything else was a witch hunt.

I have to call B.S. on this.

You can say Blitzaholic is only guilty of joining public games. I disagree. He's also guilty of being a selfish A-hole who only used Jobiwan for points.

I have to call B.S. on this.

Nice flame brady. I imagine it will slide on by though.

This is a case of INTENT. If blitz had intentions of point dumping he would have joined many public games for jobi. That isn't the case. He joined the invites he sent him in his quads and quite frankly jobi's point drop would only effect points won/lost by a couple points per game of blitz's.

It's obvious blitz's only intent was to have his quad games played. Any other intent is purely debatable and mostly rank envy witch hunting.

and I am not coming to blitz's defense. I am defending the hunters decision. It was correct.

I beg to differ with your point jefjef.

Dumper did join jobiwan into games knowing he was already deadbeating. This is not the actions of some one who holds himself out as some kind of iconic Conqueror. This is the actions of a small minded, backsliding person, the sort of person who is disregarded for their actions. Dumper has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar, speaking metaphorically, and no one can justify his actions. Least of all him as his words are no longer of any importance.

to use the expression "If blitz had intentions of point dumping he would have joined many public games for jobi." does not bear close scrutiny. What is your version of 'many'? It is highly likely that a straw poll of cc layers as to what constitutes 'many' would throw up a range of numbers. Surely the crime is worse in that Dumper joined jobiwan into those games knowing the beneficial effect it would have on his score (and it does, check your maths) and more importantly in Dumper's world, his position. Unfortunately this is a classic case of fooling some of the people all of the time and being found out.

I agree, and always have agreed, that in this case the Admin conducted themselves correctly. There has not been an exact precedent set. However, hopefully, this will focus their minds on ensuring the punishment fits the crime in the future.

As for Dumper? In my experience, a person never gets over something like this in real life....within cc there are too many players, senior ranks and otherwise, who now see him for what he is and will not hesitate to remind him when he next starts holding forth, which he will, for he cannot help himself and his skewed sense of self righteousness.

There's an old saying I hold dear and have always run my life by. "It is no good just acting in an honourable fashion, you must be seen to be acting in an honourable fashion".

[jefjef]

I agree, and always have agreed, that in this case the Admin conducted themselves correctly.

Well said.

[Metsfanmax]

Blitz was cleared of point dumping, as determined by the mods. Therefore the warning is appropriate. All of the OP's arguments are based on the assumption that Blitz ought to have been guilty of point dumping, which is not how it turned out.

I don't see the value in continuing this debate - it just makes a lot of people mad. More importantly, a precedent has now been set, and Blitz won't be able to do it again.

[Fruitcake]

Blitz was cleared of point dumping, as determined by the mods. Therefore the warning is appropriate. All of the OP's arguments are based on the assumption that Blitz ought to have been guilty of point dumping, which is not how it turned out.

I don't see the value in continuing this debate - it just makes a lot of people mad. More importantly, a precedent has now been set, and Blitz won't be able to do it again.

Please do be precise. Dumper was cleared of point dumping his own points. Which is hardly surprising seeing as that would have been the complete opposite of what he was doing!

Do pay attention.

[Metsfanmax]

Blitz was cleared of point dumping, as determined by the mods. Therefore the warning is appropriate. All of the OP's arguments are based on the assumption that Blitz ought to have been guilty of point dumping, which is not how it turned out.

I don't see the value in continuing this debate - it just makes a lot of people mad. More importantly, a precedent has now been set, and Blitz won't be able to do it again.

Please do be precise. Dumper was cleared of point dumping his own points. Which is hardly surprising seeing as that would have been the complete opposite of what he was doing!

Do pay attention.

He was obviously also cleared of point dumping jobiwan's points, or else he would have been punished for that by the admin.

[Fruitcake]

Blitz was cleared of point dumping, as determined by the mods. Therefore the warning is appropriate. All of the OP's arguments are based on the assumption that Blitz ought to have been guilty of point dumping, which is not how it turned out.

I don't see the value in continuing this debate - it just makes a lot of people mad. More importantly, a precedent has now been set, and Blitz won't be able to do it again.

Please do be precise. Dumper was cleared of point dumping his own points. Which is hardly surprising seeing as that would have been the complete opposite of what he was doing!

Do pay attention.

He was obviously also cleared of point dumping jobiwan's points, or else he would have been punished for that by the admin.

So tell me, what was the warning for?

[Metsfanmax]

So tell me, what was the warning for?

The warning was for joining games as an account sitter, which the FAQ clearly states is against the rules.

[Fruitcake]

So tell me, what was the warning for?

The warning was for joining games as an account sitter, which the FAQ clearly states is against the rules.

And what was the result of the 'joining games as an account sitter'?

I'll give you a clue to the answer.

1. What was the result of this action to jobiwan's points?
2. What was the result of this action to Dumper's points?

[Metsfanmax]

And what was the result of the 'joining games as an account sitter'?

I'll give you a clue to the answer.

1. What was the result of this action to jobiwan's points?
2. What was the result of this action to Dumper's points?

Based on the thread in C&A, which has a lot of conflicting accounts, it seems that Blitz actually did take jobiwan's turns in the games he signed up jobiwan for (and why wouldn't he? jobiwan deadbeating out of a team game would hurt Blitz's chances to win). Therefore it would be incorrect to say that point dumping by Blitz occurred as a result of the joined games.

[Fruitcake]

And what was the result of the 'joining games as an account sitter'?

I'll give you a clue to the answer.

1. What was the result of this action to jobiwan's points?
2. What was the result of this action to Dumper's points?

Based on the thread in C&A, which has a lot of conflicting accounts, it seems that Blitz actually did take jobiwan's turns in the games he signed up jobiwan for (and why wouldn't he? jobiwan deadbeating out of a team game would hurt Blitz's chances to win). Therefore it would be incorrect to say that point dumping by Blitz occurred as a result of the joined games.

And there is where you are going wrong. Jobiwan was being signed up for games Dumper was not involved in. He deadbeat those games but did not deadbeat the games he was teamed with Dumper.

[Metsfanmax]

And there is where you are going wrong. Jobiwan was being signed up for games Dumper was not involved in. He deadbeat those games but did not deadbeat the games he was teamed with Dumper.

That's correct, he did. But the rules also seem to imply that joining tournament games as an account sitter is OK. Obviously this is an example of the rules not being perfect, because in this case Blitz did sign up jobiwan for tournament games, and jobiwan did not play them. It's obviously not Blitz's fault that jobiwan did not play those games. You might be able to argue that Blitz should not have signed jobiwan up for those games if he knew that jobiwan would not play them, and that would be another possible reason why he was abusing the account sitting feature. At any rate, this would be a very fuzzy case to make. The point is that even if you think he should be punished for the point dumping he indirectly caused, the admin does not agree with that. Seeing as the admin does not agree, the punishment given to Blitz is consistent.

[Fruitcake]

And there is where you are going wrong. Jobiwan was being signed up for games Dumper was not involved in. He deadbeat those games but did not deadbeat the games he was teamed with Dumper.

That's correct, he did. But the rules also seem to imply that joining tournament games as an account sitter is OK. Obviously this is an example of the rules not being perfect, because in this case Blitz did sign up jobiwan for tournament games, and jobiwan did not play them. It's obviously not Blitz's fault that jobiwan did not play those games. You might be able to argue that Blitz should not have signed jobiwan up for those games if he knew that jobiwan would not play them, and that would be another possible reason why he was abusing the account sitting feature. At any rate, this would be a very fuzzy case to make. The point is that even if you think he should be punished for the point dumping he indirectly caused, the admin does not agree with that. Seeing as the admin does not agree, the punishment given to Blitz is consistent.

You are arguing on minutiae. The case to answer is whether it should be considered against the rules for an account sitter to join another player into games when he is already aware that the member is absent and wont take the turns, whilst at the same time ensuring he takes his turns in the account sitters games. The net effect of this action would be to increase the level of points won to the account sitter, and conversely reduce the points lost when losing a game.

Now, just so you understand, I have openly stated on more than one occasion that I feel Admin have taken the correct road. However, this case has shown that there are devious methods used by cheaters as yet uncovered. To this end Admin should review the severity of the crime when point dumping on one's own account brings far harsher punishment. This kind of action is, after all, closely related to the crime of point dumping.