Decline of "Whose forum is it anyway?"

[Serbia]

I enjoy coherent dialogue where I can potentially learn other ideas from people around the world. The ability to communicate with another culture or even one with similar views and background is edifying.

It's difficult to sift through pages of derailment to read an actual, on topic, intelligent post. Ergo the ignore approach isn't working. Look at the lack of diversity in the CC forums. Seems many players have chosen to avoid trying to have an adult conversation with all the childish derailers.

Solution? Go find a new forum on a different website. Problem (potentially) solved!

Bollocks.

[universalchiro]

@BBS: your point is understood.
@TheGreekDog: your point is understood and suggestions on page one are reasonable.

Has anyone else noticed saboteurs and derailers in CC's "Whoes forum is it anyway?"?

More importantly, does it matter?

It matters to me that's why I'm voicing out. I may be a drop in the ocean, but the ocean is just a bunch of drops.

Derailers are doing more good than harm. They punish the disrespectful, they bring the lulz, and they decrease the alleged need for Mod control.

But wait, you already understand that, right? You just said you did, so why not apply my points to your own question? Could it be that you're ignoring my points?


Hmm, there seems to be a pattern here.

I understand your view, respectfully I disagree.

Is there anyone else that has experienced the detrimental affect of derailers in CC's forums?

[BigBallinStalin]

@BBS: your point is understood.
@TheGreekDog: your point is understood and suggestions on page one are reasonable.

Has anyone else noticed saboteurs and derailers in CC's "Whoes forum is it anyway?"?

More importantly, does it matter?

It matters to me that's why I'm voicing out. I may be a drop in the ocean, but the ocean is just a bunch of drops.

Derailers are doing more good than harm. They punish the disrespectful, they bring the lulz, and they decrease the alleged need for Mod control.

But wait, you already understand that, right? You just said you did, so why not apply my points to your own question? Could it be that you're ignoring my points?


Hmm, there seems to be a pattern here.

I understand your view, respectfully I disagree.

Is there anyone else that has experienced the detrimental affect of derailers in CC's forums?

So..... why do you disagree?

[Shannon Apple]

The quality of players will ebb and flow as with all things cyclical, however "Whose forum is it anyway?" is being held hostage by an ilk of derailers that topics they don't like gets attacked and derailed in short order.

Anyone else experience the same detrimental derailing effect that has declined the quality of discussion in CC's "Whose forum is it anyway?"?

Welcome to forums in general.

If they aren't making an obvious derailment for "funsies", you get people derailing threads with strawmen arguments that they will continue to defend and bring up long after everyone else has pretty much let them know that they're wrong and bordering on retarded. They just want to end the topic with their point still intact in their mind.

It's only through strict moderation that the obvious crap can be prevented, the other is harder to deal with. However, I don't think "Whose forum is it anyway" is the place for that because it looks like and is a spam forum, so you can't regulate one topic over another. If there was a separate debates subforum, or serious discussion subforum where rules were enforced by discussion team, then maybe.

[The Voice]

This thread is now about kittens.

[Foxglove]

You haven't shown why you believe OT has declined in any sufficient manner, you haven't provided any counterpoints as to why this belongs in GD (which is separate and apart from the main discussion which you've begun here) and so far no GD denizens have deigned (TWICE IN ONE POST!) to post in this thread. I would suggest you go back and hone your discussion/debate skills before engaging with the poor, derailing, moronic, "declining" folk of OT.

Welcome, off topic friends, welcome! I personally greet the advent our garrulous forum cousins with joy and love. Perhaps I will even poke my head and words into your threads some day soon!

[Army of GOD]

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Can we derail this thread yet?

[universalchiro]

Almost there.

[thegreekdog]

You haven't shown why you believe OT has declined in any sufficient manner, you haven't provided any counterpoints as to why this belongs in GD (which is separate and apart from the main discussion which you've begun here) and so far no GD denizens have deigned (TWICE IN ONE POST!) to post in this thread. I would suggest you go back and hone your discussion/debate skills before engaging with the poor, derailing, moronic, "declining" folk of OT.

Welcome, off topic friends, welcome! I personally greet the advent our garrulous forum cousins with joy and love. Perhaps I will even poke my head and words into your threads some day soon!

YAY!

[AndyDufresne]

Since the first post expressly asked me not to post, I have politely refrained from posting.

But, then I came across a piece sage wisdom that seemed fitting to this discussion. Kenkō, a Buddhist priest writing in the early 1330s, wrote a collection of random thoughts to stave off boredom. This collection came to be known as "Essays in Idleness." In one thought he wrote:

'A house which multitudes of workmen have polished with every care, where strange and rare Chinese and Japanese furnishings are displayed, and even the grasses and trees of the garden have been trained unnaturally, is ugly to look at and most depressing.'

Trans. Donald Keene, Essays in Idleness, second paperback edition, ISBN: 978-0-231-11255-0

--Andy

[BigBallinStalin]

@BBS: your point is understood.
@TheGreekDog: your point is understood and suggestions on page one are reasonable.

Has anyone else noticed saboteurs and derailers in CC's "Whoes forum is it anyway?"?

More importantly, does it matter?

It matters to me that's why I'm voicing out. I may be a drop in the ocean, but the ocean is just a bunch of drops.

Derailers are doing more good than harm. They punish the disrespectful, they bring the lulz, and they decrease the alleged need for Mod control.

But wait, you already understand that, right? You just said you did, so why not apply my points to your own question? Could it be that you're ignoring my points?


Hmm, there seems to be a pattern here.

I understand your view, respectfully I disagree.

Is there anyone else that has experienced the detrimental affect of derailers in CC's forums?

So..... why do you disagree?

If UC can't justify why his question matters, and if he cannot reasonably explain his rejection of his deserved punishment, then we can confidently conclude:

OT: 1
UC: 0

[universalchiro]

@BBS: your point is understood.
@TheGreekDog: your point is understood and suggestions on page one are reasonable.

Has anyone else noticed saboteurs and derailers in CC's "Whoes forum is it anyway?"?

More importantly, does it matter?

It matters to me that's why I'm voicing out. I may be a drop in the ocean, but the ocean is just a bunch of drops.

Derailers are doing more good than harm. They punish the disrespectful, they bring the lulz, and they decrease the alleged need for Mod control.

But wait, you already understand that, right? You just said you did, so why not apply my points to your own question? Could it be that you're ignoring my points?


Hmm, there seems to be a pattern here.

I understand your view, respectfully I disagree.

Is there anyone else that has experienced the detrimental affect of derailers in CC's forums?

So..... why do you disagree?

If UC can't justify why his question matters, and if he cannot reasonably explain his rejection of his deserved punishment, then we can confidently conclude:

OT: 1
UC: 0

I concede,
Derailers +1
UC +0

Apparently the derailers are doing CC a great service by derailing topics in "Whose forum is it anyway?". And the ability of the derailers to wisely chose which topics to derail is of course performed to the highest standards without suppressing alternative views that they deem unworthy of further discussion in CC forum.

[Army of GOD]

WE WON!!!!

[Dukasaur]

Truth is virtually impossible to suppress, and it can certainly survive the presence of a few wisecracks.

Genuine debate manages to shine through the noise without any difficulty, including the noise of alleged "derailments." The only debate capable of being submerged is that debate which was not genuine to begin with -- usually the sermons of pontificating demagogues whose ego is bruised so much by not having sole possession of the limelight that they cannot continue to preach.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

[thegreekdog]

Truth is virtually impossible to suppress, and it can certainly survive the presence of a few wisecracks.

Genuine debate manages to shine through the noise without any difficulty, including the noise of alleged "derailments." The only debate capable of being submerged is that debate which was not genuine to begin with -- usually the sermons of pontificating demagogues whose ego is bruised so much by not having sole possession of the limelight that they cannot continue to preach.

As much as it pains me to give Dukasaur any credit, post of the year 2014.

[thegreekdog]

I concede,

You need to spend more time in off topics. We don't concede... ever.

[BigBallinStalin]

@BBS: your point is understood.
@TheGreekDog: your point is understood and suggestions on page one are reasonable.

Has anyone else noticed saboteurs and derailers in CC's "Whoes forum is it anyway?"?

More importantly, does it matter?

It matters to me that's why I'm voicing out. I may be a drop in the ocean, but the ocean is just a bunch of drops.

Derailers are doing more good than harm. They punish the disrespectful, they bring the lulz, and they decrease the alleged need for Mod control.

But wait, you already understand that, right? You just said you did, so why not apply my points to your own question? Could it be that you're ignoring my points?


Hmm, there seems to be a pattern here.

I understand your view, respectfully I disagree.

Is there anyone else that has experienced the detrimental affect of derailers in CC's forums?

So..... why do you disagree?

If UC can't justify why his question matters, and if he cannot reasonably explain his rejection of his deserved punishment, then we can confidently conclude:

OT: 1
UC: 0

I concede,
Derailers +1
UC +0

Apparently the derailers are doing CC a great service by derailing topics in "Whose forum is it anyway?". And the ability of the derailers to wisely chose which topics to derail is of course performed to the highest standards without suppressing alternative views that they deem unworthy of further discussion in CC forum.

True to form, you completely dodged the pertinent questions while blaming others for your own failings.

Called it! Thanks for giving us another example of your problem-causing behavior! Buh-bye, Captain Butthurt!

[BigBallinStalin]

OT WINS!!!

[betiko]

OT by a landslide.

So whose forum is it??

[Dukasaur]

So whose forum is it??

Go ask "anyway" -- apparently he knows.


And thanks, TGD. I promise I won't let it go to my head.

[betiko]

So whose forum is it??

Go ask "anyway" -- apparently he knows.


And thanks, TGD. I promise I won't let it go to my head.

I've just been told it was about to be decalered yours by Anyway. New name will shortly be "The Dukasaur Park".
congrats! Phatscotty is extremely jealous and eating beef jerky alone in the dark and playing this tune.

[Phatscotty]

I got this, if not by having my name mentioned more than anyone else while not even being present, then surely by my suggestion of a new forum indirectly leading to some rule changes resulting in a much freer society, and that is win for everybody!



Yet I know more than a few posters who still refuse to participate in OT discussions for many of the previously stated reasons. Just glad those times are over and people can be who they are and say what they feel.



Remember, the foe button always remains an option. I only have one foe when it comes to OT, and it's because the person NEVER engages in topic discussion. They try to make jokes though, and if they were the least bit humorous I would have zero foes.

[TeeGee]

Where did uncy chiro go?????