Flame Wars needs to go!

[borox0]

I never go there because I don't need people swearing a getting angry of the smallest of things. I think that there should be more of a complaints section where they have to follow a kinda template.

[muy_thaiguy]

I say, keep it. We need a place to cool off on here, and many of those threads were only jests and they were quite funny.

[Skittles!]

I say, keep it. We need a place to cool off on here, and many of those threads were only jests and they were quite funny.

QFT

To the OP: No need to go there if you don't like it.
To everyone that agreed with the OP: Refer above

To everyone that wants Flame Wars to stay: WOOOO.

[Iliad]

I say, keep it. We need a place to cool off on here, and many of those threads were only jests and they were quite funny.

QFT

To the OP: No need to go there if you don't like it.
To everyone that agreed with the OP: Refer above

To everyone that wants Flame Wars to stay: WOOOO.

QFT

And has anyone noticed that most people in this thread want the forum to stay while the poll says otherwise?

[EmperorOfDaNorth]

Ok, I'm a silent voter:

GET RID OF IT!

It honestly serves no purpose, and potentially lowers this site's page rank in Google with all the nasty language flying around.

CC already has far too many psycho 13 year old kids with raging hormones being a pain in the neck. Let them seek their own playground to bully each other, no need for CC to provide a padded room where they can make each other miserable.

[stringybeany]

There is a definite disadvantage to having a flame war type board on any forum (this is non-CC specific, so nobody feel insulted m'kay?) - By having an area where almost anything goes, it seems to give the feeling to people that the rest of the forum is the same way. It attracts and holds people who otherwise would pass the forum up all together and would not post.
By having an area that attracts people who swear, flame, spam, troll or otherwise are more "negative" we get more of that on the rest of the board.

It looks like you are trying the diplomatic approach. Good luck with that!

In my experience you will likely end up having to execute a ban-fest with all the ban-evasions and turmoil that goes along with it.

You are right in the tone of the whole forum being negatively influenced by the flame forum. Changing that will be difficult but I hope you see it through. The forums will then be more valuable to the site.

Why are these forums here? To support CC and help people with the game? Or as a playground for a bunch of trolls who's sole purpose is to disrupt?

Currently its value in that regard is degraded by all the noise.

My vote is still "no" on closing flame wars entirely, but you do have a challenge on your hands.

Again, good luck!

[Twill]

I'm not trying to be too harsh on the mods here, but I think trying to change Flame Wars has made the general community worse. People in Flame Wars are acting up worse than usual, but that really doesn't matter in my opinion. But we see more hostility in the rest of the forum, because the flamers are pissed about Flame Wars, and they no longer feel it is quite the safe haven it once was for them.

You may be surprised at how much I agree with you, but I disagree on one fundamental point - it's too trollish right now to be doing what you so rightly point out that it should be doing.

As to things being a bit rougher in the rest of the forums, it's only temporary.
Once the dust settles, then hopefully people will settle with it and if not, well then people know what is and isn't acceptable outside flame wars and I'll be happy to have a little "chat" with them if they dont.

That being said, if you see anyone who is crossing that line, do PM me because I do miss a lot of posts (there are only so many eyes on the mod squad)

Have a good one
Twill

[Rocketry]

I agree, get rid of flame wars. People sjould keep 'flaming' to places other than CC.

Rocketry

[DAZMCFC]

what is it with you people, why get rid off the flame wars. too many people on this site take things faaaarrrr too serious. if you don`t like flame wars don`t go there. if you think there are too many negative vibes,don`t go there.

you get a few idiots that come out with a load of bull, but most are just having a laugh, letting of a bit of steam after a hard day at work(or school). there is no big problem, just some friendly banter.

the cock measuring thread has been mention a couple of times. however mentioned it, did they read any of it first before slagging it off. suggs who opened that thread started of by saying his dick was very small and wanted to know about others. now that was very funny.

[bryguy]

i think flame wars should go also, its only reason is to insult ppl

[HayesA]

I don't agree on getting rid of flame wars. I don't post there, either. In fact, I hardly post at all. But that's besides the point. Look man, getting rid of flamewars would mean they come here and muck up the one forum I do read. I may tolerate their language when I am directed to a post in that forum, but I don't like reading it. But you see, I may not like all that colourful language, but I respect their right to talk as they wish. Believe it or not, but I assure you all they will continue to talk like that no matter where they are.

So, I voted to let it stay. Let them have a place to smoke their tobacco, and they won't bug you. After all, you don't HAVE to read that forum. Not to mention, it has a disclaimer right on the forum description: "Not for the faint hearted" or whatever. So if you don't like that type of language, don't go there. It's that simple. Sorta like when you don't smoke, you don't go near people, or places that do/allow it.

[DAZMCFC]

does that mean all the flamers smoke.

[HayesA]

does that mean all the flamers smoke.

Yup. And do drugs, and rape bunnies, and do all the mean nasty stuff normal folk don't.

[spinwizard]

yep, it seems the OP doesn't know the true "usefulness" of the flame forum........and some of us adults favor an adult-friendly site, i.e. we can say what we want. don't ask CC to raise your kids for you......

there are a lot of teenagers that go in flame wars anyway and they know the same amount of swear words as do the adults.

Probley more

[Coleman]

I have a wonderful idea. Delete Flame Wars, and then when they spill out over the rest of the forums spewing their trash...

Ban them...

Forever.

[Backglass]

there are a lot of teenagers that go in flame wars anyway and they know the same amount of swear words as do the adults.

It's 99% teenagers. Only middle school kids think that an endless stream of swearing is somehow cool and funny.

have a wonderful idea. Delete Flame Wars, and then when they spill out over the rest of the forums spewing their trash...

Ban them...

Forever.

Agreed.

[Dancing Mustard]

I have a wonderful idea. Delete Flame Wars, and then when they spill out over the rest of the forums spewing their trash...

Ban them...

Forever.

Much as I respect your opinion on this matter I'm afraid that there's a vital chunk of logic missing from it.

Why delete the forum at all?
As it stands the FW does no harm to anybody on this site who doesn't enter it voluntarily. In fact I'd go so far as to say that it benefits the forums in general by giving the mods intermediary sanctions (i.e. the option to move soured-threads and/or abusive-posters there) instead of being forced to rely on the somewhat blunt instrument the banstick.

Why delete something that does not harm the forums? Sure you might not care for the dialogue that goes on in there, and you might not wish to participate in it yourself. But the moment its gone you've damned yourself to a brief period of intense forum disruption, and for as long as the forums here remain there'll be nowhere else for new trolls to go to. Every new Take2out, every new Xtratabasco, every new SolidWolf... you'll have to deal with them in normal forums because there'll be nowhere else for them to go. Is that what you want to happen? Is that the best path for CC's forums to take? Really?


Now I'm aware that the internet is serious business, so I'll give you a brief summary of my post so that you can understand it:
There's no good reason to delete FW. There's only the fact that you don't like the people posting there, or because you don't find it entertaining. But without it you'd doom CC's other forums to highly-increased levels of trolling in the short-term and overall increased levels of trolling in the long-term. Bans would help keep that overall level down, but the forums that you do enjoy would be more frequently visited by trolls.

Have fun thinking about that kids.

[Backglass]

Now I'm aware that the internet is serious business

I think that's the key. CC is no longer a hobby, but a real money-making business. Who cares about lawsuits when you have nothing to take.

It all changes however, once you win the Internet Lotto as Lack has. This is now his livelihood.

[Coleman]

Why delete the forum at all?

The existence of the flame forum encourages trolling and flames throughout the site. As capable as I am of long tirades I'll simply quote the poll. It has outlived its usefulness.

Without [Flame Wars] you'd doom CC's other forums to highly-increased levels of trolling in the short-term and overall increased levels of trolling in the long-term. Bans would help keep that overall level down, but the forums that you do enjoy would be more frequently visited by trolls.

I guess we'd just need to find the right number of moderators to handle it. I've been on other sites with a troll = ban policy and they aren't frequented by trolls. If they are it is invisible to most users as the moderation staff is sufficient.

I can't deny your claim that other forums would get visited by more trolls. I can allow for the possibility they only get to post once or twice before their posts magically disappear and they with them.

Coleman for Fascist Dictator!

Everyone should feel lucky that Lack is sane enough to have Twill be CM and not me. I don't think you all know how good you have it. He believes in open discussion and third+ chances. I don't.

It all changes however, once you win the Internet Lotto as Lack has. This is now his livelihood.

We don't have any reasonable evidence that this site provides the funding necessary for lack to live off of. I highly doubt it does.

[Dancing Mustard]

Why delete the forum at all?

The existence of the flame forum encourages trolling and flames throughout the site. As capable as I am of long tirades I'll simply quote the poll. It has outlived its usefulness.

No, sorry. We at Dancing Mustard Enterprises do not simply accept bald assertions that are not supported by some kind of evidence. How does FW promote trolling throughout the site? Can you prove that, or even show some supporting evidence? You're a clever guy Coleman, but I'm not just going to take your word for it simply because you say I should. If you want to call FW a negative influence, then I'd like to see some evidence of your proposition, because I for one don't like to go around deleting several people's favourite bit of CC without some hard empirically proveable facts.

I'm afraid that quoting the poll doesn't help you either. Just because a lot of stupid people all say the same thing doesn't make their opinion valid (Smoking must be good! Millions of people do it and say it's cool! Wheee!). If they could come up with an argument backed by evidence then it might, Just because those stupid people recorded their opinions in a poll doesn't help them out one bit. I'm afraid you're going to have to rely on something else before the opposition take you seriously.

Basically, for all your collective whinging about how bad FW makes the forums, nobody has demonstrated it yet. Given how much action you're demanding and how loudly you're shouting I'd have expected a bit more... there's 45 of you apparently, why don't you put your heads together and find us a few links that demonstrate FW ruining the other forums in a significant enough fashion to warrant its removal.

We'll be waiting right here for you when you finally manage it.

[Coleman]

Well, I'm not much for saying you can't prove that the non-existence of flame wars would be bad for the forum, although I'm not sure you could prove that. We could throw assertions back and forth all day though.

I guess my only course of action would be to go hunt down examples of flames outside of flame wars from flame forums regulars that might not be here if Flame Wars didn't exist (something I can't prove), which, frankly, isn't something I want to spend my time doing, (yet another reason I shouldn't have, nor want Twill's job).

I think you knew I wouldn't want to go do that, so I'm forced to concede you've outargued me, though I still would rather Flame Wars wasn't here or was significantly redone.

I will change topic here though and say that I hate that moderators just throw topics that clearly weren't intended to be flame wars topics into flame wars because other posters turn them into flame festivals. That's BS. And the next time it happens I'm calling Twill out on it now that I have someone specific I can go bitch at. Turning topics outside flame wars into flame wars topics should be grounds for disciplinary action.

[stringybeany]

I've seen flame forums on other boards that have an entirely different tone.

It's all about moderation, and this board has announced a change in tone.

Be happy he's being a nice guy about it. Not all are. You know this.

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[joecoolfrog]

I say, keep it. We need a place to cool off on here, and many of those threads were only jests and they were quite funny.

QFT

To the OP: No need to go there if you don't like it.
To everyone that agreed with the OP: Refer above

To everyone that wants Flame Wars to stay: WOOOO.

QFT

And has anyone noticed that most people in this thread want the forum to stay while the poll says otherwise?

Thats simply because certain people do not wish to be flamed for their opinion.

[stringybeany]

Be happy it's not me at the tone dials. I wouldn't be gentle about it. Snip off the dead and wait for the new blooms is my method.

[The1exile]

Thats simply because certain people do not wish to be flamed for their opinion.

I haven't seen anyone flamed for their opinion. I have seen them outargued, however.