account sitting issues..new rule? <updated - see 1st post>

[lord voldemort]

This rule has been clarified time and time again whenever asked on the forums by the staff here. It has always been the same. As of now, it falls under the "unwritten rule" category, but we're working on writing something down, as we didn't realize there was such flagrant disregard for this rule.

well you can not give me a warning for an unwritten rule lmao
i was not aware i was not allowed to sign on for 20 mins in the morning to find a baby sitter and try and play some turns before having to be away for an extended period of time.

[Bruceswar]

This rule has been clarified time and time again whenever asked on the forums by the staff here. It has always been the same. As of now, it falls under the "unwritten rule" category, but we're working on writing something down, as we didn't realize there was such flagrant disregard for this rule.

This rule gets used and abused many times over and "writing it down" or putting it in the rule book will not change anything. Serious crackdowns will be needed to tame this rule. Score resets, etc.

[owenshooter]

here is a player with over 3,000 games that agrees with us. it is obvious that this "unwritten rule" is just not applicable to how doubles work. maybe i should find the types of game you play wicked, and without understanding how they work, weigh in with a heavy hand and righteous attitude and declare you a cheater... enjoy.. and by the way, why didn't you respond to it in the other thread? too valid? too prominent a doubles player? hmmm:

Teammates CAN babysit for each other as long as they're actually babysitting and not just trying to gain an advantage. The only person you cannot babysit for is an opponent in one of your games, for obvious reasons.

coop, she said you can babysit for your teammate as long as he/she is 24 hours away, but you cannot babysit for an opponent in the same game as you for obvious reasons.

I agree with wicked, HOWEVER, the only challenge I have is this, lets say for example wicked pm's me and asks "hey blitz" can you make my turns for tuesday as I will be away, and she pm's me this monday night with her password, and i respond, ok. so, then I take wicked's turns for her on tuesday morning as she asked, but then wicked returns tuesday late afternoon and pm;s me back saying, sorry, i got computer access now, didnt realize i was going to be able too, but did, no need to take my turns anymore, ty anyways. Now, how would this be my fault??? and it is sooner than 24 hours?


and my other point is this, some players have like 100 games going and time expires in many of them expire at different times, if i make all players turns on a friday morning and friday night to catch them up cause they have so many and they return from there weekend earlier than expected on saturday am, then some games when they log in, well, some of their games may be less than 24 hours sometimes, its just complicating, and not sure about all this, i think each case should be individualized and the partner covering or the babysitter covering should not be punished if they are doing a cc player a favor, I mean things happen, some return quicker than they are supposed to, others find access to computers that they didnt think they could, etc, and bla bla bla, and why should someone get penalized if the person returns earlier than you expected? how can one predict this outcome? sometimes, you just cant? so this rule needs to be modified some, and we need a full explanation in simplistic detail so all can understand it clearly. and is there an exception, like the ones i mentioned, if so, how does this can proven or unproven, very difficult to do.

[greenoaks]

missing part of a day isn't 'having to be away for an extended period of time'.

you logged on, you took a few turns. that is proof that you were around. if you did not have time to take all your turns then bad luck, you skip a turn on a few games.

babysitting shouldn't be for those who are going to miss a turn but for those who are going to miss 3 turns.

all those short-term babysitters should get busted for abusing the system and be forced to buy premium again to continue playing with their accounts.

[lord voldemort]

missing part of a day isn't 'having to be away for an extended period of time'.

you logged on, you took a few turns. that is proof that you were around. if you did not have time to take all your turns then bad luck, you skip a turn on a few games.

babysitting shouldn't be for those who are going to miss a turn but for those who are going to miss 3 turns.

all those short-term babysitters should get busted for abusing the system and be forced to buy premium again to continue playing with their accounts.

where is the rule that states this....exactly there is none.
team games is a completely different thing
you miss a turn in team games just one and it can sometimes ruin the game for you
of coarse of you having played a total of 3 player games would know all about this...

[owenshooter]

all those short-term babysitters should get busted for abusing the system and be forced to buy premium again to continue playing with their accounts.

throw out a few hundred players for an "unwritten rule", great biz plan!!! go read where i posted what blitz wrote on the subject. it is a huge debate, and there is no way this can be decided without the input of prominent team game players. and no, i'm not talking about myself, i'm talking about guys with 1K, 2K and 3K team games... oh, and yourself, with your AMAZING 3 TEAM GAMES!!! join wicked on the bench, and let the players with a clue debate this-0

p.s.-i don't think a sitter for 15 or 16 hours is short term...
p.p.s.-he logged in to find a sitter.

[owenshooter]

wow, the sister thread to this got locked... typical...

Subject: Account "babysitting" : what is allowed?

owen, it doesn't take someone well-versed in team to understand the current rule, which requires someone to be gone for at least 24 hours before getting an account sitter. Let's not bash someone just because they understand the rule. Since this is a Q&A topic, I'm going to lock it since the official CC answer has been given here already. If you want to discuss requesting a new rule, do it in the GD thread. Thanks.

sooo, somehow, there is some rewrite going on that is going to be an official rule, but because wicked deems it answered the debate is over.. oh, that's right, we were winning the argument and making more sense because we actually PLAY doubles... weak.. typical. why am i not shocked by this? first the move, then the lock... *rolling my eyes*...-0

[lord voldemort]

owen, it doesn't take someone well-versed in team to understand the current rule, which requires someone to be gone for at least 24 hours before getting an account sitter. Let's not bash someone just because they understand the rule. Since this is a Q&A topic, I'm going to lock it since the official CC answer has been given here already. If you want to discuss requesting a new rule, do it in the GD thread. Thanks.

if thats the case then lets discuss this cause currently there is no specific rule. my interpretation if im going to miss a turn then im allowed a baby sitter. thats what i did.
please show me wicked in the rules tab...a screen shot will do....where it says that i am not allowed a baby sitter to take my turns if i will miss a turn. Then after you have failed to do that you can remove the warning you gave to me and several members who also got them.

[owenshooter]

please show me wicked in the rules tab...a screen shot will do....where it says that i am not allowed a baby sitter to take my turns if i will miss a turn. Then after you have failed to do that you can remove the warning you gave to me and several members who also got them.

and then open up this rules rewrite debate to people that play doubles and have an understanding of how teams function within the CC community. 81 games does not make a person an expert or even credible on the subject. i defer to what blitz said... he seems to have some cred in the team community with over 3,000 games... at least let the prominent players with games of 1K, 2K and 3K weigh in on what is cheating and what is not. you re-opened the classic debate for a minority... and now, you have NO IDEA how many people routinely do what you are declaring an infraction of some UNWRITTEN RULE, that is clear in your mind. yet, you are unable to convince any of us that it is valid, and are now ready to fix what is not broken... rule by decree is not what is needed here. what is needed is a mod that is level headed and not a bully. go ahead and move this thread and then lock it when the response is overwhelmingly against you, again... it will just be par for the course...-0

p.s.-try to listen to the people that actually play team games, and not what you THINK team games should be, since you rarely play them.

[fwblb]

i don't understand how this gives a team an advantage.

i disagree with this being a rule. i wait longer to take my team game turns than non-team game turns. i like to discuss with my teammates before i make a move and make sure we agree on what we are doing. if something came up, and i couldn't take my turn, I would have somebody i know take my turn (somebody in my inner circle). trust me, when you have kids, things come up.

another thing that has come up for me is when we get storms here, we lose our internet connection. this has happened to me in the middle of turns in a a few team games with owen. if i know it might happen, i let him know so he can finish the turn for me. or I would call him.

that's just my 2 cents.

[greenoaks]

if blitz got busted for cheating because of this babysitting thing that would open up what 30, 40 spots on the first 5, top 5 lists.

[wacicha]

Owen Rather than stating what wicked does not know. lets try to put a positive on this. Lets come up with a written rule that works. taking teams standard freestyle team freestyle into the thought process.

[detlef]

Sorry if this has been covered because my head started spinning somewhere around page 2. How does this apply to all team games?

How is taking your teammates turn when it is not essential in a sequential doubles game cheating? I don't know about most, but my teammate and I discuss pretty much every bit of strategy so it is pretty much a formality who actually pulls the trigger. I have the login info of my regular teammate and he has mine, primarily so we can take care of each others turns if it ever comes down to it. However, if it's at a rather less than critical juncture of the game, I won't think twice about logging in for him and just moving the game along for the sake of the others. It's called common courtesy. People like to play more than they like to wait. If that can be avoided, why not?

What is the harm in that? In fact, the only reason why I don't take his turn when it's a critical spot in the game is because that's the fun part and I know that I'd be pissed if somebody took my turn during such a moment. That is, after all, why we play this game, for elimination runs and crucial land grabs, not for building up and grabbing an easy card.

I think you guys are dangerously close to taking yourselves way to seriously.

[wacicha]

that is the point of this. to maybe clarify this written unwritten rule

[greenoaks]

by taking a team mates turn that he would have missed you are depriving your opponents of the competitive advantage that missed turn would have given them.

[MOBAJOBG]

Well, to solve this kind of abuse which is about all players of the same team able to play simultaneously that is possible with the current free flow of freestyle doubles, triples or quadruples games, just allow only one team member to be active at any point of time.

The damage done to the team that starts later is insurmountable. Just imagine all the team members who have started first receives their armies, deployed every of those armies strategically to one of their player A who would then unleash a series of initial attacks.

Depending on the outcome, another series of attacks by the player A is possible but only this time is lethal. How!? Two of the other players may end attack and proceed to mass fortify to player A who is still in attacking mode in a game setting of unlimited fortification with card.

lackattack; did you read this and somehow, able to comprehend the sleazy tactics which I'm trying to describe!? If you can, then do something radical and practical (*Hint: reread the first paragraph for a simple solution) to curtail such exploitation.

[1st Edit:] For your Ez reference, check it out on the Game Log for an example of a triples game http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=2276258 or quadruples game http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=2284911

[owenshooter]

words from the friend that got me on CC, was my first mentor, and is still one of my
favorite partners and clan mates:

The 24 hour rule is dumb, because that means you would have to miss a turn first. If I pay for my account and give you my password, I am trusting you to handle it correctly. How is that cheating? I can sign a power of attorney that allows you to write checks, cash stock and UNPLUG me from a respirator, but I can't have you take my online CC turns.....what the f*ck ever. she takes this too seriously.

well, brett... you can only unplug my respirator if i haven't already unplugged it myself the previous 24 hours... and maybe we can extend the power of attorney you already have over certain aspects of my life to include CC turns, to pretty much negate this debate for me!!!-0

p.s.-wac-y, i will try to be more constructive, i promise. it is just difficult when a person in a position of authority moves and locks threads and tells you that the debate is over, because we are wrong and she is right. that is not a debate, that is a monarchy...

[MOBAJOBG]

^A suitable word to use is dictatorial.

[BaldAdonis]

you cannot access your computer for a 24 hour period. This is the same for all game types. This has always been the rule. If people have taken to breaking this rule out of convenience, then obviously we need to write it down on the "official" page since before we've just relied on people using common sense and asking in the forums.

I've got a question then: suppose I have a lot of games to play, and don't have the time to play them all on a certain day (like, a bunch of 1-on-1 games came up for a tournament, and the next day I had to take someone to the hospital unexpectedly). Can someone cover them, or do I have to miss turns?

[owenshooter]

^A suitable word to use is dictatorial.

i have promised to be "constructive." -0

[Fruitcake]

I am stunned and dismayed at the official response by wicked over this.

With around 390 team games played or playing I do think I have some understanding of the problems teams have on occasion, getting it all together.

It flies in the face of natural logic of a team game to say another team member cannot take a turn should one be unable to take the requisite turn within a certain time frame. It also flies in the face of life logic. To punish a person who has a requirement more important than playing here on cc is mind numbingly shocking. It is also deplorable and scandalous for the powers that be to assume such an attitude.

We are entering dangerous waters here. Any set law would always need to be liquid, if not, then what cc is asking is for paying and non paying members to break the rules to ensure the continuance and good play of the very game they have put together!! Are we going to end up with etickets asking for time off being sent BEFORE the player is absent? After all, it does not require a great imagination (and I do not have one but have worked this out) that should someone only have a few minutes, logs in, takes some turns, sends an IM/text etc to a team mate, warns them of the time run on another turn, get them to take the turn, then be punished for this. So a 24 hour set rule would be assinine, so would any time frame QED the eticket request form thought. Alternatively what would happen if all transgressors were rooted out and punished, not a great idea for a growing business to alienate its income stream I would have thought (but then what do I know).

Apart from this, the previous argument put forward by owenshooter has validity. We live in a society where one person can pass complete control of their life to another for any period of time, yet in cc, this is being viewed as cheating. I must remember to tell my Lawyer this when he next attends a meeting WITH ME PRESENT and argues, agrees and signs deals on my behalf while I sit there without saying or doing anything, and as soon as we leave the room, control reverts to me.

Surely the Management of this site should be asking themselves how they can facilitate this whole problem, not sending out warnings to players.

[Vace Cooper]

I've played many team games. Sometimes the other team says something like, " Hey... Im takeing my partners turn, because otherwise he or she will miss." Then I think to myself... WHO FUCKING CARES!

[BaldAdonis]

The only reason this is an issue is because of freestyle players who take each others turns to play at the same time. Any good sequential team should be able to take each others turns, because both players know exactly what their partner would do, and it doesn't change the game at all.

[wicked]

The only reason this is an issue is because of freestyle players who take each others turns to play at the same time. Any good sequential team should be able to take each others turns, because both players know exactly what their partner would do, and it doesn't change the game at all.

It defeats the whole purpose of team games...coordination and working with others. Having one person play 2+ accounts in a team game, isn't really a team game. If this is how people want to play "team" games, then just make it so one person plays all accounts for one side.

[BaldAdonis]

If this is how people want to play "team" games, then just make it so one person plays all accounts for one side.

Suggestions go in a different forum.